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TheLoveBandit said:
For @alasdairm , not so much for the Hitler comparison but because he likes to remind everyone of how Trump drinks water (and a note that this time he's only using one hand ;) )


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This is obviously a cup of tea. Which glass of water has a grip like a cup does? Who else drinks tea?? The british Royalty!!!

But jokes aside.. For someone who apparently both believes in BLM as well as in good cops, while denouncing police brutality, your memes are in strange dissonance with that tatement. How come they so often focus on "wrongdoings" of the black community or the BLM movement? How come you engage in racist rethoric like "All lives matter", whilst defending a white supremacist murderer who went to a protest because of corona he can't be a school shooter apparently... Really TLB, isn't defending Kyle Rittenhouse beneath you?
And then you have the audacity to use a picture of MLK to discredit the demonstrations as "riots", really? The exact same tactic was used on the civil rights movement, including the made-up"outside agitators" and everything. And yes some demonstrations were and are riots, most turn into riots because the claims to equal treatment are met with brutality. And goddamn, those riots are both justified and necessary, apparently the bourgeoisie listen to nothing else but the language of violence, especially "violence" against things. Things that they own. Because that's really the only thing separating them from us, their riches. The white US can and should be happy that what PoC want is equality and not revenge. But you're busy having a knee-jerk reaction instead of listening to the people, try to instrumentalize their idols like MLK, btw a noted socialist, into some form of alternate reality character who would be against the movement. That's where youre wrong, MLK would absolutely encourage them. Btw your use of MLK made me think of his famous quote about the white moderate, something you probably identify as?:

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Neopunk said:
How come they so often focus on "wrongdoings" of the black community or the BLM movement?
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I believe no-one is perfect, but I have a very strong reaction to things I feel are unfair. I don't appreciate when the likes of Jacob Blake are raised up as a hero or saint when he is quite definitively a problem citizen. Does that mean his shooting is justified? No. But neither does a policeman shooting him absolve him of his wrongdoings. The claim by BLM to be for blacks, is by definition racist against non-blacks. I feel the same abhorrence for any white supremacist organization. Both openly decry their intent and values, and I can see none of those being conducive to a peaceful and productive society. That's my view.

How come you engage in racist rethoric like "All lives matter", whilst defending a white supremacist murderer who went to a protest because of corona he can't be a school shooter apparently... Really TLB, isn't defending Kyle Rittenhouse beneath you?
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You consider "All lives matter" to be racist? And you don't believe "Black Lives Matter" is racist? Then we have very, very different viewpoints. That's fine, so long as we can accept that differing views are allowable (which, I believe we can). As for Rittenhouse, you call him a 'white supremacist murderer', whereas I've yet to see any proof of such an assertion. Without proof, I cannot accept it as more than your wish or belief, and not a fact. What I can accept as fact is what we've seen on video of him being chased, having a chance to kill belligerently and instead retreating and only firing in defense. We don't know what preceeded that video sequence, but based on what we do know and have seen, I am at a loss to understand how you jump to your accusation and cannot see the self-defense in effect (in our current lack of further evidence of wrongdoing on his part).

Neopunk said:
And goddamn, those riots are both justified and necessary, apparently the bourgeoisie listen to nothing else but the language of violence, especially "violence" against things. Things that they own. Because that's really the only thing separating them from us, their riches. The white US can and should be happy that what PoC want is equality and not revenge.
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You are welcome to have your opinion.

'Violence against things'....do you really believe anyone involved in these riots are thinking about bourgeoisie, or the symbolism of those things separating people in our country? There are some who want material equality, sure. But by their words and actions, their desire is not material equality but social equality, beyond material goods. Equal treatment by the law, by society. These I can agree with and support. How we get there, IMO, is not through violence or destruction of 'things' which do not move our country towards that goal. You feel the violence is necessary, I can see a strong focus and desire to reach the goals but not reaching violence that lashes out omni-directionally and blindly. Take that anger, that focus, that energy, and channel it in a way to CHANGE what exists, not simply tear down objects. That anger, justified or not, is powerful but currently unfocused. That's my opinion.

As to whites being happy POC want equality, not revenge? Not all POC feel the BLM movement reflects their goals and desires. But even among those that do, revenge isn't a path to achieving their goals. Revenge would only incite a war in which they are horrendously out numbered (13%, right?). Btw, there are some whites who are more behind the BLM cause than some POC (notice the composition of rioters in most cities thus far?). There are a far larger number of whites who are in support of equality. How about tapping into that agreed goal and using the power of ALL to create it?

Lastly, you criticize my use of MLK in a meme. I'll point out, it's a meme. Furthermore, you'll see I just flooded the thread with stuff from all sides, not a singular view or opinion. I'm unaware of the quote you've shared, so thank you. I'll have to consider how much it may be applicable to me. In the meantime, I'll leave you with one from Winston Churchill

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TheLoveBandit said:
The claim by BLM to be for blacks, is by definition racist against non-blacks.
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I always thought it was racist for white people to think they could co-opt the BLM movement, not so much the other way around.

TheLoveBandit said:
You consider "All lives matter" to be racist?
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The notion that "all lives matter" isn't racist, though it is strictly wrong.
 
w01fg4ng said:
I came really close to giving this meme (below) a like, but hesitated because I wasn't sure you were being sincere.

Now I have my answer.
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Honestly, that one is sincere for me, personally. I can believe black lives matter (the concept) while being against BLM (the movement). As I've stated repeatedly, the BLM movement is flawed on it's premise, IMO. However, I believe ALL the black lives being lost (the masses every weekend in large cities as well as the tiny fraction lost to police brutality)...they all matter to me.
 
p.s. LGBT is also only for lesbian gays bis and trans people.

If you'd like to be an ally, we also welcome you and we even have special meetings just for you, just know that you aren't gay.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
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My memory isn't that fuzzy.

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This one was a better target and way less casualties though.

p.s. I am sure you know these buildings and what I'm referring to.

I think maybe media makes us think who the "bad guys" are and we tend to forget past transgressions from "the other side". They do exist.

Not to mention, tons, tons of abortion clinic bombings...
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I didn't recognize the pics, had to look them up.

The first is The Oklahoma bombing in 1995 carried out by two individuals who had the motive of disliking the gov'ts handling of Ruby Ridge (1992 = Bush) and Waco (1993 = Clinton). The political affiliation of the perpetrators, Terry Nichols doesn't reflect a party afiiliation and in fact tried more than once to renounce his citizenship stating the gov't was corrupt. Timothy McVeigh also shows no political affiliation, just anti-gov't (kinda like our current antifa crowd, eh?).

The second is when Joe Stack flew a plane into an IRS building in 2010 in protest against gov't bailouts of the automotive industry. I suppose that can be stretched to say it was 'against Democrats' since Obama was the one giving money to those companies. But, it's still a individual acting out, not the Republican party.

Two incidents by individuals. It's unrealistic to use these as a counter to the meme asking when Republicans were promoting and causing destruction in America. But if that's the best ya got, well....
 
TheLoveBandit said:
it's still a individual acting out, not the Republican party.

Two incidents by individuals. It's unrealistic to use these as a counter to the meme asking when Republicans were promoting and causing destruction in America. But if that's the best ya got, well....
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So the "not peaceful protests" are individuals acting out, not the Democratic Party, it's not all of the BLM movement, etc.

The same defense can be made here.

And quite frankly I didn't imagine the entire Republican convention doing damage when I read the meme, I thought it was targeting radical individuals of the far left and thought about the radical individuals of the far right. *shrugs*

It goes both ways imo.

All I know is Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Not a really funny Woodward cartoon but it's ok.

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Neopunk said:
That's not a bad thing actually, cuz many libs don't have a problem with actual racism and sexism, they're just all about performative politics and wokeness in a sense of bastardized identity politics.
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I never meant for it to be. I was blatantly calling conservatives liberals, in a good way.

But no lib wants to tackle systemic racism, because libs are right-wingers as well. But first and foremost they're capitalists, and as such they have no interest in fundamentally change the system, which kinda depends on the whole systemic racism thing.
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That's kind of like saying no liberal wants to tackle health care. It's not apathy, it's complicated.

If you want to see someone make an apathetic excuse, look here:

"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated"
-djt

So now people that see sexism and racism everywhere - because it is everywhere - aren't insulted as liberals anymore.
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I agree, it is everywhere, but it's historically been difficult to express without getting called some PC woke libtard. It's kind of nice to talk about it with a little more room to breathe, don't you think?
 
nuttynutskin said:
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said nobody.

i'm guessing if you post a meme like this, you're not really interested in the merit of the argument...

depending on who you read, about 80% or more of u.s. wildfires are caused by humans. i don't think that's a particularly controversial figure.

climate change has been a key factor in increasing both the extent and risk, especially in the western states. from obvious contributing factors like warmer, drier conditions and associated, increased drought to subtle factors like the unprecedented, climate-driven spread of the mountain pine beetle (which weakens and kills trees increasing the amount of forest fuel).

the number of large fires has doubled in the western u.s. between 1984 and 2015 (source: cssr).

alasdair
 
I still don't get why that meme is funny if you don't believe in the merit of the argument it presents :?
 
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