hey ya'll i just wanted to bounce this off the bl forums since this came on me kinda quick and i thought there might be some of you out there with some relative experience/advice/whatever... basically my parents just told me they've got it all set for me to go all the way from New Haven CT to Florida to detox off methadone once and for all and go into 45 day inpatient from there. I've done inpatients before, that's no big deal but i haven't kicked a methadone habit like this ever and I'm scared shitless i didn't know it was possible to detox in 14 days which is what this detox center is talking about, prior to this i was looking at everything including ibogaine therapy, anything to get off methadone, which i've been on for about 4 years at about 120 mgs, now down to 90. All this is being brokered or something like that through treatmentsolutionsnetwork if anyone is familiar. i'll post a clearer less drunk and jumbled thread while all can but if anyone has any advice with methadone detox like this please help me out here i'm hopeful/skeptical/frightened cuz i've been through this before any advice for now will be great.
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muvolution
Bluelight Crew
Hey man, any detox will be detox. You can do it if you set your mind to it. It is going to suck, but not nearly as much as remaining on the methadone.
A rapid 14 day detox is going to be OK, though. You won't feel great, but if you are under treatment, you will be fine, you will be cared for, you will get through it.
Have you explored options with your clinic about a longer period taper off methadone?
Are you ready to also go through the life changes required to kick a habit?
Have you looked into suboxone? Many ORT patients find it more tolerable. You are supposed to switch at around 30mg of methadone, but perhaps look into if after your 14 day detox IF you still feel like you are in hell. They will script you like 24mg, but only take 2, 4 max per day so when you kick that, it won't be bad. It is really good medicine, though man. Just often prescribed at needlessly high doses (kinda like methadone).
Whatever you decide to do, you gotta let these people and your family help you, the doctors, everyone. If you really gonna get better, you have to embrace it and want and learn to change your life.
Good luck, man.
A rapid 14 day detox is going to be OK, though. You won't feel great, but if you are under treatment, you will be fine, you will be cared for, you will get through it.
Have you explored options with your clinic about a longer period taper off methadone?
Are you ready to also go through the life changes required to kick a habit?
Have you looked into suboxone? Many ORT patients find it more tolerable. You are supposed to switch at around 30mg of methadone, but perhaps look into if after your 14 day detox IF you still feel like you are in hell. They will script you like 24mg, but only take 2, 4 max per day so when you kick that, it won't be bad. It is really good medicine, though man. Just often prescribed at needlessly high doses (kinda like methadone).
Whatever you decide to do, you gotta let these people and your family help you, the doctors, everyone. If you really gonna get better, you have to embrace it and want and learn to change your life.
Good luck, man.
theblueletters
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That's a brutal methadone taper man. Your going to feel like fucking garbage and want to die. However 45 days of in patient rehab to get your shit together is not something that a lot of people get. I tapered down to 3 mg from 90 mg over the course of 10 months. Coming down each time was hard and I felt shitty for like 3 weeks. But I worked 6 days a week the whole time. Consider yourself very lucky and take full advantage of that.
Another option: have you considered having your parents speak with the Dr. at your current methadone clinic get them involved and understanding your taper and why longer is better in this case. If you open up and get them involved it might end up being easier for everyone
Another option: have you considered having your parents speak with the Dr. at your current methadone clinic get them involved and understanding your taper and why longer is better in this case. If you open up and get them involved it might end up being easier for everyone
I realize this is a situation i am lucky to get, but also i am frightened of it. Slow taper isn't possible in a couple respects, one my family wants a quick fix (gets complicated, homelessness etc...) but they don't seem to understand methadone and have found the one detox who will take me which requires flying to another part of the country (honestly i would rather go through with ibogaine...) but in any event this is probably going to happen as long as my consent is there, which it is, i'm just scared shitless at this point, sort of worried i'll take off in a foreign state half way through..... i'm a little drunk and confused right now been drinking more since i became aware of this i'll post more soon when i'm sober i really would like some input what i've gotten so far has been great......
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
this is stupid, i gurantee you're going to still be dope sick after 2 weeks lol.
Detox's simply do not work for methadone. Personally I am surprised they would take you into detox with you rhistory. It sounds lke they will eithe rtaper your methadone or switch to bupe for 2 weeks and do a quick taper. This will be painful and when the ystop the real qithdrawals will hit.. Unless they switch you to bupe which will be totally pointless because you are still dependant on an opiate.
You have to detox through your clinic bro slowly over time and it will be pain free fo rhte most part until you actually make the jump. Doing what your doing is begging for relapse./.soon as the crazy sickness comes on ya know what I mena?
Personally I say get back on the clinic or stay on the clinic and tell them you wanna taper as quick as you can.. theyll probly do like 3mg a week or something. think about how much you reduce each day if your at like 100mg (dont remember where you said you are) and have to get to 0 in 14 days lol. It's just not realistic..it sounds fuckin painful.
Also about ibogaine.. if you are on oxy or H you can do ibogaine treatment but I read on opiophile someone said that where they did their treatment, they took people on bupe but you had to be clean from bupe 14 days prior to treatment (I think because its a really long halflife). They offered to switch him to oral morphine for 7 days for mad extra loot but he didn't do that. Funny thing is though after 14 day off bupe you are thorgh the worst of withdrawls.. but doing ibogaine treatment would probably kill your paws which would be a life saver.
You have to detox through your clinic bro slowly over time and it will be pain free fo rhte most part until you actually make the jump. Doing what your doing is begging for relapse./.soon as the crazy sickness comes on ya know what I mena?
Personally I say get back on the clinic or stay on the clinic and tell them you wanna taper as quick as you can.. theyll probly do like 3mg a week or something. think about how much you reduce each day if your at like 100mg (dont remember where you said you are) and have to get to 0 in 14 days lol. It's just not realistic..it sounds fuckin painful.
Also about ibogaine.. if you are on oxy or H you can do ibogaine treatment but I read on opiophile someone said that where they did their treatment, they took people on bupe but you had to be clean from bupe 14 days prior to treatment (I think because its a really long halflife). They offered to switch him to oral morphine for 7 days for mad extra loot but he didn't do that. Funny thing is though after 14 day off bupe you are thorgh the worst of withdrawls.. but doing ibogaine treatment would probably kill your paws which would be a life saver.
Venrak
Bluelight Crew
^This.
Sometimes, even as adults, having your parents call in to talk to your clinic will show how serious you are about what you want to do.
Missykins
Bluelighter
I think that to try to detox off of methadone in 14 days, given its very long half-life, will be very difficult. Treatment Solutions Network have made you and your parents an empty promise if they have promised you to be methadone-free in fourteen days.
flyonth3wall
Bluelighter
^^ Gotta agree with Missykins I'm afraid.. This ain't gonna be easy man, in fact it is going to be your own personal hell. Damn man how the fuck did it get to this situation where you are not even given the option of tapering properly? I feel for you, I really do. I don't mean to make you feel shit or worried, but this is not going to be easy 
thanks for all the honest feedback guys, i've still got 2 days to back out of this but i don't think i am going to. I've been trying to suppress the logical side of my mind which is telling me this is insane, probably the reason i have to go all the way to florida to find a detox that will do this, theres no one in ct that will.. I'm scared shitless here i know how painful this is going to be.... i just don't know what else to do... i would much rather go through with ibogaine detox and can probably afford it but it will take a while to get the passport...
guitarguerilla
Greenlighter
Man don't do it, Taper slowly. I've been on methadone twice first time was for two yrs and I got up to 210, and the second time I was on methadone for a year and got up to 120. Both times I taperd slowly, and I can honestly say it was cake compared to full on withdrawal. I actually didn't even notice I was going down till I was around 15. What does the doc at your clinic say about this detox?
it's impossible to talk to the doc at my clinic, there's like a 90 day wait list and you can only get decreased or increased through you're clinician. My clinic is a hellhole and getting lowered has become a kind of beaurocratic nightmare (ie. they won't lower/don't want to lose their clients) to come down in the past i had to manipulate their own protocols and skip days so by their own rules they have to drop me albeit not safely. I will say that they are finally starting to work with me where they've agreed to a taper at the pace i'd set if i can show them i'm set up with a suboxone doctor for a safe transition at about 30 mgs or less....
I speak from experience. I was on 330 mls a day for 14 years. In that time I wanted to get clean so many times. Each time I tried I always relapsed. I couldn't beat it. Until I took a friends advice to withdrawal slowly. When I started that approach iy was very easy at first. You feel a little off, but not much. As I got around 100 mls a day.
I would feel a like I was getting there. Of course I didn't feel 100% and my emotions were coming back. Which really felt great, even though I still had a long ways to go. I felt great to feel again after feeling so numb! To make a long story short. I started going down 10 mls. a week until I hit 20 mls. After that I would come down by 5 mls. It was rough, but this time by preparing to totally withdrawal. It wasn't as bad. I think by coming off slowly prepared my body. When I use to try coming off quickly, my body went into shock. But everybody is different, but thats how I did it. Now I'm clean it's been 2 years! Good luck to you. I wish you the best!
I would feel a like I was getting there. Of course I didn't feel 100% and my emotions were coming back. Which really felt great, even though I still had a long ways to go. I felt great to feel again after feeling so numb! To make a long story short. I started going down 10 mls. a week until I hit 20 mls. After that I would come down by 5 mls. It was rough, but this time by preparing to totally withdrawal. It wasn't as bad. I think by coming off slowly prepared my body. When I use to try coming off quickly, my body went into shock. But everybody is different, but thats how I did it. Now I'm clean it's been 2 years! Good luck to you. I wish you the best!
well i leave friday (2 days) so i'm going to try being optimistic, which is hard after hearing their medicating protocol which is 3 days of hycodan (hydrocodone and hydromet i believe wtf crazy) then they switch me to a ten day bupe taper with valium. I really wish i could go with ibogaine detox i have the means just not the time, considering i'm being faced with the option of either going back to living on the street or going to florida. The pain of this detox frightens me but not as much as 4 more years of methadone. Methadone has taken my life from me, i feel as if i've been living in limbo for 4 years. So here i come florida, west palm beach to be exact which i think is near miami, i bet the drugs are much better in miami lol. Anyway i was sick of new haven, besides yale new haven basically is a shit hole. well i'm off to buy a shitload of klonopin, i'm going to tell them i'm kicking benzos too in hopes of a better med protocol (half true). I hope kpins will show up in the drug screen i've had some doctors tell me it doesn't always and i haven't been taking as much xanax lately, went through detox 3 weeks ago, but took 6 mgs anyway. Well sorry i'm wandering off but yea it looks like i don't really have a choice here and just hope to be off this shit once and for all. Wish me luck!
Benzopiates
Bluelighter
The 2 weeks is just to help you get a start off, you're not going to go out of the door and 2 people offering you free subs and you say no to them... well maybe if you think you're being watched, the goal is to go there willingly and think it will help you, think about the benefits etc, and when you go out even after 2 weeks you wont feel the need to do it anymore.
rocketqueen
Bluelighter
That is not really helpful to you, but it is TRUE. To come off of 90 millis in 45 days???? Don't set yourself up to fail. Do you know what PAWS is?
Your brain "might" begin to regenerate its own endorphin's again (the methadone has been doing that for your brain) which will take six months to two years. Since you have only been on 'done for four years your brain may not be permanently damaged and I think it is highly possible your brain can "recover." But, during that waiting period you will likely be emotionally flatlined.
Nothing I have done or ever could do will likely stop me from wanting to get high, liking to get high, and getting high. I hope you are better and stronger than me and I wish you best of luck in this endeavor.
Who decided that the methadone treatment for your addiction is unacceptable? Just curious.
rocketqueen
Bluelighter
YOU ARE FUCKING KIDDING ME! WHAT?????? They are *really* going to give you Vicodin for 90 MILLIGRAMS OF METHADONE? They set people up to fail in this way. You need so much more than Vicodin. This is like trying to stop a cruise ship in a zodiac. I guess it is too late now but let me tell you that Austin Recovery in Texas pulled me off of methadone and I felt NOTHING. They were really fantastic! Of course, I relapsed, but that was not their fault - I am an addict and it is what I do.
Good luck, man, let us know how it is going...
vicapro
Bluelighter
I believe they are going to use the vicodin to help the transition to the bupe bc of methadones half life and bupes ability to cause precipitated wds. Anyway, like everyone said it definately isnt going to be easy (tapering the methadone down would be much easier), but you can do it. Just let the doctors help you and be open and honest with them. It seems like its going to be a really nice place to detox as well. Good luck bro I truly hope you get clean.
Missykins
Bluelighter
Well, good luck. I really wish you the best. Parents are so poorly informed. If this doesn't work for you, consider switching to Suboxone entirely.