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Harm Reduction OD Social 2.1 v. "I just dropped my Gucci loafers off to get fixed" - Muv

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it wasn't me spamming was it? when i would link to youtube for the "song of the day"?

If it was... my bad, i won't do it again.


EDIT: that was my entrance lol, no hey guys whatchaupto or anything. ha
 
it wasn't me spamming was it? when i would link to youtube for the "song of the day"?

If it was... my bad, i won't do it again.


EDIT: that was my entrance lol, no hey guys whatchaupto or anything. ha

No no no, this is perfectly allowed.

The spammer has been dealt with anyway.

It was a case of trying to sell their CD in the social, or posting videos which mentioned selling a bong.

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Youtube linking is not spam. The problematic spam was as I mentioned above. Very blatant spamming of their own music including a price to buy CDs etc.
 
cool, thanks tripman

thanks for clearing that up Tripman.

Hey how much subutex would one with a decent tolerance need to feel good?

I have a decent tolerance and .5-1mg still gets me decently high.. nothing like blowing an 80 but it's a nice subtle euphoria. Maybe try 1-2mg?

^ and i mean those doses snorted
 
I only get the very best crystal, you could make window panes out of this stuff :P and desoxyn doesn't compare to good crystal. But you've got to be fair, when doing crystal you can easily blow through 100mg, which would = 20 desoxyn pills.

Desoxyn is great for getting all the positive effects from methamphetamine without any of the negative side effects that come with the higher dosing of crystal. Although the level of euphoria will never win in a battle against crystal.

I like how desoxyns look like OC 10s, but they say OV 12 intead lol.

See that is where my interest lies. Taking 20 desoxyn compared to 100mg glass...

It'd be very interesting to say the least!
 
to start.. 10ml luer lock syringe. a bunch of micron filters, and something to put the liquid in and let it evaporate so you're left with powder.. now what chemicals to use to extract, i haven't a clue.
 
I've got all that.

would solvents like acetone/toluene destroy the micron filter?

because theoretically you could get nothing left but MA and lactose
 
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just make sure you get the right kind of micron filter.. there are different ones made outta different material so again i donno what to say until you know what chem you're using.. but i would guess a PVDF one would work.

search google to see if those solvents are good with the pvdf filters, i bet they are.


EDIT: and that's as far as im going with this, since it is most likely illegal to do and is on the border of synth discussion which isn't allowed ( i dont think)
 
Definitions

Solvent
A substance, usually a liquid, that dissolves something else
Solute
A substance that is being dissolved in something else
Solubility
How easily a substance dissolves in a certain solvent
Acid
A substance that gives up a proton easily
Base
A substance that accepts a proton easily
Salt
The product from the reaction of an acid and a base
Freebase
The natural form of a drug, hasn't been reacted with an acid.
You can change it back and forth between its freebase and salt form as many times as you want.
Explanation of A/B (acid base) extraction

Most drugs have an amine group. This is a -NH2 attached to the molecule somewhere. NH3 is a base (accepts protons from acids easily) so the drugs are bases also. Hence the name freebase. When you make the drug, it usually starts out in the freebase form, which is quite often an oil. What happens when you react an acid and a base? You get a salt. So when you take your freebase (base) drug and react it with an acid, you get a salt, such as a hydrochloride salt if you react it with hydrogen chloride (HCl).
Salts are usually crystalline solids rather than oils or waxy solids, which is why they are so popular with drugs, it makes them easier to handle, and the drug properties are not changed. Think about it, you have HCl in your stomach, and acid throughout your body, so if you ingest a drug in either form, it will end up being in the same form (probably a salt) in your body no matter how it started out.
Freebases and salts usually have drastically different properties. An important one is that freebases are usually soluble (will dissolve in) in non-polar solvents such as toluene and hot naphtha, and not soluble in polar solvents such as water. The salts are usually the opposite, soluble in water, but not toluene etc. This is how acid/base extractions (A/B) work.
You can basify your molecule with NaOH (lye) to form the freebase, which is not soluble in water, but it will dissolve in a non polar solvent. So you add your non-polar solvent and the freebase goes in to it (a lot faster if you shake it all up instead of waiting for the freebase to float up to it). Once you have freebase in your non-polar you can wash the non-polar solvent with water to get rid of any non-freebase drug material (such as excess lye). The water will not remove any of your freebase.
Then to recover your hydrochloride salt (the most popular form of most drugs), you react it with hydrochloric acid. Muriatic acid is hydrogen chloride (HCl) dissolved in water. So if you add this to the non-polar with the freebase, the freebase will react with the HCl to form the salt, which is now soluble in water and not in non-polar, so it will dissolve into the water layer, which you can separate and evaporate to obtain your crystals.
Since evaporating water sucks, and quite often leaves behind impurities, it is nice to react your freebase in non-polar with HCl without any water around. This is when gassing comes into play. You can generate pure HCl which is a gas without any water, and bubble this gas through your freebase/non-polar. It will react with your freebase to form the hydrochloride salt (what you want). Since the salt is not soluble in the non-polar, it will them fall out of solution as crystals which can be collected by filtering.
Explanation of recrystallization

Once you have your dry drug hydrochloride salt crystals, sometimes you want to get them more pure, because impurities can be trapped inside the tiny clumps of crystals. A good way of doing this is to recrystallize. The idea behind this is to find a solvent that the crystals are kind of soluble in and kind of not. Alcohols usually work well for this. When talking about solvents and solid materials, hot solvent dissolves more solid than cold solvent, so this can be used to your advantage. (The case is opposite for gases but I won't go into that).
Get two containers. Put some alcohol in one and bring it up to boiling. Put your crystals in the other container. Slowly add boiling alcohol to your crystals and they will dissolve. Use just enough alcohol to dissolve all of your crystals.

Now since cold alcohol doesn't dissolve crystals very well, cool down the alcohol/product and the crystals will come back out (recrystallize). The slower you cool the alcohol, the bigger the crystals are. The bigger the crystals are, the fewer impurities will be trapped inside of them, and the purer your product will be. So big crystals = pure crystals (usually).
One good way for ensuring that your alcohol cools down nice and slow is to put some water in a pot and heat it to boiling and take it off of the heat. Then put your container with hot alcohol/dissolved crystals in the pot of water being sure not to get any water into the alcohol, cover the container, and let it cool down to room temperature. Then you can put the container with alcohol in the refridgerator to cool more. Then into the freezer to cool more. Then you can filter your pretty crystals out. Now there is usually still a little bit of product left in the alcohol, so if you boil off say 75% of the alcohol and repeat the cooling process you can get some more crystals.
There are other ways of changing the solubility of the crystals in the alcohol, such as adding acetone or ether to the alcohol, but the temperature method works quite well, is cheap, and simple. So newbies should use it first, then experiment with other methods if they want to.

There ya go
 
That's a basic guide for acid base extraction, not synthesis. (although this process IS applied during synthesis, but AB extractions are extremely common for many things)

I'm not asking about synthesis, unfortunately it would be easier for me to synthesize because that's easy as shit.

But these silly little desoxyn, they give me quite a hard time, and it's just an A/B extract. It's a work in progress, to say the least. In the mean time I'm just accumulating a shitload of desoxyn lol. I almost never use them, but they sure do synergize with opana
 
iight guys im gonna get off the computer for a bit. my eyes are gettin tired. i should be back on later since i can't sleep lol.
peace guys
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