O-Desmethyltramadol

[riptaz]

Hi

I have just purchased some of the above, any one know what its like i use 400mg's of tram a day does this differ in any way to tramadol ?

I have no knowledge on this substance what so ever so any info / stories about it would be good.

thanks guys

 

[nAON]

Haven't used this one in a while so hopefully someone with more info can update you. But it's basically very similar to tramadol, being one of its main metabolites. One of the main things is that it isn't an SNRI, though in terms of the opiate effect, I think they're very similar.The dose is just over half of what you would normally take for tramadol, though it's good to start low for any drug you haven't used before, so i'd recommend doing no more than about 100mg for your first go, then possible topping up later depending on how it feels.

 

[effie]

I find it feels completelt different to tramadol.. but the tramadol experience is very subjective.

It's a proper opioid - I don't know what opioids you are used to, but if you're in the UK it's definitely above codeine/DHC but below heroin, hah. But it is a fairly strong opioid, so go steady. Start low - maybe even 50mg, to gauge your reaction, then titrate up. It works well insufflated as well as oral which makes titration easier

Remember this is a RC - and although it's a metabolite of a well-known drug, tramadol is hardly the safest thing out there. I feel that the seizure risk with ODT should be a lot less/non-existant based on the pharmacology, but this is a guess, I've not had time to look into it properly, so I don't knows for sure. Treat it with respect and go steady for this reason, as well as it being a reasonably strong opioid..

 

[nAON]

I remember getting quite vibrate-y at higher doses of ODT, never had a seizure, but probably wasn't far off at some points.

Odd to hear you got different effects from it.. that said, I felt hardly anything off tramadol when I did it

 

[effie]

Yeah I really need to look into the seizure potential of ODT..

Tramadol is pretty much the most subjective drug I've come across, everyone has a different experience

 

[riptaz]

Hi,

Ok thanks for your responses. So as I have no idea about this stuff how strong as an opiate is it then? like where would it be a the scale if codeine was at the bottom and say oxy's where at the top and hydrocodone was in the middle some where?

any advise would be really helpful cuz I don't wana go over borad witht this stuff.


thanks guys

 

[nAON]

Consider it similar to tramadol, but stronger.

That said, as effie mentioned, the effects seem to vary quite a lot.

 

[effie]

It doesn't help that I get zero opioid effects from tramadol, haha.. and that I am in the UK so can't compare it to hydrocodone etc..

I can compare it to oxy, however, and it is weaker than that but stronger than codeine. If that helps at all..

 

[perKeceT]

Yeah I really need to look into the seizure potential of ODT..

Tramadol is pretty much the most subjective drug I've come across, everyone has a different experience

yeah tramadol is one odd drug. some people love it, some people feel nothing, some people puke it back up. and then out of those who get effects from it, theres a lot of difference in that. a friend of mine says it feels like MDMA. to me its not like anything else, and tramadol is my shit, too bad my opiate tolerance is too high nowadays. ive yet to take ODT itself although ive felt the effects as a metabolite of tramadol. and for me theres a point in the tramadol high where to shifts from speedy awesomeness to drowsy morphine-like opioid effects (which are also awesome). with out fail everytime i take tramadol there is a point when the experience changes. and if ODT is responsible for the second 'phase' i get (as i believe it does) then this drug could be a nice true opioid with effects similar to morphine.

 

[effie]

^ it is similar to morphine actually - warm and not too in-your-face.. lasts longer though

But be careful people, this is a relatively untried opioid derived from a pretty unsafe drug..

 

[perKeceT]

^ it is similar to morphine actually - warm and not too in-your-face.. lasts longer though

But be careful people, this is a relatively untried opioid derived from a pretty unsafe drug..

thats a good description of the latter half of my tramadol experiences. although i have to say that there does seem to be some entactogen qualities during both of the 'phases' i experience, but oddly enough they seem more prevalent during the second, more sedating, part. i wonder if this has anything to do with how tramadol effects serotonin?

and i must also agree that anything related to tramadol shouldnt be treated as your average opiate, because these type of drugs seem to have very odd ways of working in your brain.

 

[Atheus]

Been interested in trying both (shit I've tried almost everything else...) but worried about this seizure thing... and the lack of consistant 'trip' reports... increased heart rate or passing out or whatever I can handle but a seizure? That can damage your brain permanently in a way normal ODs cannot - or so I've heard. Can anyone elaborate?

 

[effie]

A short, self-terminating seizure does not damage your brain (as far as we are aware...)

Long ones needing medical assistance to terminate do, and can be fatal.

Repeated seizures can also cause permanent neuronal and structural damage to your brain...

All in all, not a good thing. Tramadol has a known seizure risk (generally agreed safe dose is 400mg but people have seized on less) but I really need to read up on ODT..

Also, avoid these: Drugs that can lower the seizure threshold

edit: and an opioid OD certainly can damage your brain, from hypoxia (lack of oxygen) - this can be permanent and very debilitating (up to you being essentially braindead..) A cocaine OD can potentially cause a stroke, which can also damage your brain obviously..

 

[Atheus]

@ effie - okay so lets say I'm fairly hardcore - coke, MDMA, opiates, benzos, booze, etc all in one night. High tolerance. Am I at more risk if I try Tramadol one time? Or is what I already do so dangerous that the theoretical seizure risk is not worth bothering about?

FYI I eat healthy, dose correctly, and try to look after my liver... as much as is possible...

 

[Atheus]

edit: and an opioid OD certainly can damage your brain, from hypoxia (lack of oxygen) - this can be permanent and very debilitating (up to you being essentially braindead..) A cocaine OD can potentially cause a stroke, which can also damage your brain obviously..

You edited before I saw that... just about been there myself... hospital on C in not a nice night out...

/edit... another edit... double post sorry... how does this place even function if everyone is off their face lol

 

[effie]

Haha :D I am constantly amazed by how well BL functions.

Impossible to answer your question.. everyone has a different seizure risk. Benzos are protective, amphetamines/MDMA make a seizure more likely. Some people can eat a lot of tramadol and be fine (not advised!) where as we had one poster here who seized on less than 400mg and no other drugs... 400mg/day is what a doctor will prescribe, in divided doses of 100mg per 6 hours. Other than that - it really is impossible to say..

Also, really sorry to hear about your experience

 

[Atheus]

Haha I am constantly amazed by how well BL functions.

Ha! Just got here but yea... I guess people who are into this stuff at this level can handle it well enough to type... even if it's mostly bullshit...

Also, really sorry to hear about your experience

Oh that's the least of it my friend! I'll tell some stories some time.

Well if Tram is prescribed at 400mg, and I've never had a seziure even on extreme doses of ampthetamines etc, I might go ahead and try it! I've heard it compared to oxy and MDMA (makes no sense to me... opposite effects almost IMO...) and they're both on my list of favourite drugs so... if I do an allergy test (few mg), wait a day, then go straight for 400mg am I gonna be okay?

Question is for hippie gurus and experienced Tram users really... obviously the correct medical/harm reduction answer is 'shit no'... but we all play the odds with most things to be honest... just want to know the odds here before I bet! Source would be pure BTW no street stuff.

- Atheus

 

[effie]

^ 400mg of tramadol would not = 400mg ODT in my eyes. I don't know about the mechanics of the metabolism of it, but 400mg ODT is a hefty dose. I'd try more like 50-100mg initially... you can insufflate it (although it also works orally) so this helps a lot with dose titration.

Also, we can't go into source discussion in anything more than a general way, but ordering online does not = purity - vendors could be telling you anything!

Overall start low and work your way up, being aware this is a brand new RC without much experience/research behind it.. I would disagree entirely with oxy/mdma haha.. less stimulating than oxy, moreso than heroin, no idea where the mdma bit comes from.. it's an opioid through and through in my eyes.

 

[riptaz]

Hi

So from what I can gather is that this is an analog of tramadol but more of an opiate, I used to love tramadol until tolerence built up and now I don't get anything from it at all.

So should I execpt the same sort of feels I get from trams or something completly different. I live in the UK so cant get an oxy or hydro. Do you think this is the next best thing ?

Thanks Guys for all your help with this one.

 

[effie]

Riptaz, did you read this thread before you posted?

1. It is an active metabolite of tramadol and is thought to be responsible for most of it's opioid effects
2. People's experiences of tramadol vary wildly, some find it a great opioid, I get nothing from it so that's a hard comparison without knowing how you find tramadol
3. It is a medium potency (definitely stronger than DHC, IMO) opioid, comes on slowly, lasts 6 hours ish and is pretty warm and cosy but not too sedating IMO. YMMV.
4. It is a pretty new and untested drug, and a metabolite of a notoriously unsafe drug (tramadol) so go steady with it (also bearing in mind it is a pretty strong opioid) - start very low and work your way up, can't say how low without knowing your tolerance but certainly no more than 50mg first time, less if you are opioid naive