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Nutmeg, shrooms, or acid for a 14 year old?

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oh yeah?
no one i knew sold shrooms by the gram, always sold by the eighth.
acid?
those are called blotters bro.
 
I know you'll hear it from everyone but IMO 14 is too young for psychs. You're simply too young, you might think you're ready but honestly, don't. You're still developing.

That said, i know you'll likely do it anyway =D so heres my advice:
Dont do nutmeg. Ever. Times infinity. Its a shitty trip and it's horribile for you
LSD over shrooms, a shroom trip varies depending on the strain (they're all amazing but you can't really compare two strains/batches in term of potency/the type of trip) which you and/or you're dealer probably wont know. On the other hand, LSD is LSD, don't believe any dealer hype that "this tab is a mellow trip" or "this tab is more visual than this one". Its all BS. LSD is LSD
also, i wouldn't smoke weed on you're first trip. Sure, it'll kick it into high gear but it adds an edge to the trip that, while nice, isn't what you want on you're first trip.
 
i uses to loveee shrooms but then it got to where every time i ate em, even if just a half eighth i would toatally freak. but LSD i fuckin love forever, tis a fantastic substance.
id go wit the LSD. if u do either, dont go in expecting anything, it will be nothing like you think it gonna be. have fun!!!!!!
 
well im 15 and i have done all of those. it just depends on how mature you are more then age i know 20's year olds who act like kids. nutmeg is fun if you do it only 1 every few months at most as it is bad on your liver and make sure you have nothing planned that day or the next you will be tired confused the day after you will just feel faded and shitty and blurry dog
 
I also would steer clear of the nutmeg...I honestly thought it was a myth until I joined BL, and it doesn't sound pleasant.

I tried the other two around 21-22, so a bit older...but I thought shrooms to be more visual and lsd a mindfuck. I also disliked both experiences so I don't think I'm a fan of psychedelics. I'm more posting about keeping it to just marijuana for a few more years --- I think it was positive that I didn't try other drugs (other than alcohol clearly) before I was 20. And it wasn't that the opportunity never came up, it just wasn't the right time yet. I suppose you can toss in benzos at 12 and opiates at 18 both for medical procedures/reasons, but that doesn't count in my mind towards recreational use. I'm 23 now, fyi.
 
well im 15 and i have done all of those. it just depends on how mature you are more then age i know 20's year olds who act like kids. nutmeg is fun if you do it only 1 every few months at most as it is bad on your liver and make sure you have nothing planned that day or the next you will be tired confused the day after you will just feel faded and shitty and blurry dog
I don't know... I hear that argument a lot but its usually by the younger guys. I remember being 14 and 15 and the difference between that and 18 (when SWIM first tripped) was big. Anyway I guess it's your call everyone (over 18 lol) has already advised waiting.

I really like shrooms so I guess I recommend those even though it can be rough. Just stay calm and go with it. Maybe have a sitter. Be in a good setting, you know the drill.

I don't see much value in Nutmeg and it sounds like no one else really does either so I wouldn't bother.
 
Do not listen to the poster who mentioned datura! Very bad form for even bringing it up. Its bad enough that nutmeg is an option for you and now someone mentioned datura.
Shit is definitely not to be fucked with, stick with the shrooms/acid. I promise you will not be disappointed, if you are at last you won't be at risk of permanently fucking yourself up. My best friend took some jimson seeds as an adolescent and to this day he cant take any psyches-permanently fucked up his trips for life.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't do it. Weed makes you think that drugs are fun, but psychedelics are so complicated that you think its just harmless fun and you keep on doing it and then BAM, worst night of your life and PTSD/HPPD for months afterward.

If you do one do shrooms in the smallest dose possible, for shorter duration.

But seriously 14 is just too immature to be messing with aliens ha.
 
well im 15 and i have done all of those. it just depends on how mature you are more then age i know 20's year olds who act like kids. nutmeg is fun if you do it only 1 every few months at most as it is bad on your liver and make sure you have nothing planned that day or the next you will be tired confused the day after you will just feel faded and shitty and blurry dog

Right, but what doesn't depend on 'how you mature' is the physical state of your brain and its development. No matter how psychologically mature you are, or feel you are, when you are 14 or 15, your brain IS still developing. The obvious advice here would be to let it develop before altering its chemistry. Of course often times people don't follow the obvious or most sensible advice, so thats where harm reduction comes in:

  • Don't do nutmeg. Like noted above, its generally dysphoric.
  • If you do choose to do mushrooms or LSD, dose on the lower end of the spectrum.
  • If you do choose to do mushrooms or LSD, space your doses out as long as possible.
 
LSD then shrooms...I did shrooms first cuz everyone always told me to do it first.. but I don't know why cuz I was soooooo fucked!! completely out of my mind didn't know who I was what was going on...and I was 18 I believe...LSD in normal amounts is a much more controlled nice pure fun trip!
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=358698

Read the above thread from 2 years ago, in which I posted the below, which I still my view:

I think 14 is way, way, way too young to take acid, and I almost feel like that statement shouldn't need qualification. And I'm not speaking in terms of, 21 is/should be the legal drinking age, whatever. There are just very, very few 14 year olds who are mature enough to handle the LSD experience. 14 is too young to take acid for the same sort of reason it is too young to get married, not for the same reason that it is too young to drink alcohol or smoke pot.

(emphasis added)

now to answer your question,

Nutmeg wasn't as bad,for me, as you might think, but it is something to be avoided. to be pedantic though it is a psychedelic (a phethylamine) not a deleriant. But it is toxic and almost everyone hated it.

Shrooms are preferable for thir duration but they are decidedly more confusing and less euphoric.

LSD is a helluva time commitment and can take you to some psychological places you are not prepared for

Ironically, I tried all the above at exactly fourteen.

I wish I had waited.
 
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I know there is nothing worse when you are 14 than having a bunch of people tell you you are too young to try something, It doesn't stop young people having sex, or getting drunk, or driving a car or a motorbike, or smoke a ciggy, At 14 it starts to seem like all the adult fun is soooo close that you just want to step up into that adult world and leave all the kiddy things behind.

So I'm not gonna preach at you for being too young as you are gonna go ahead and try something anyhow, whatever anyone says, so I'll try and give you some advice based on my personal experience.

And It's also great that you are mature enough to post in here asking for advice, that shows that you have a brain and it's working pretty well :)

Assuming that you are intelligent enough to have worked out already that Heroin, crack, coke, speed are all stupid things to do then lets look at the different drugs you are considering.

LSD... It's pretty intense man, you will definitely see the world differently after it and for the rest of your life you will know deep down that there is more to life than main stream culture will have you believe. I took LSD in my early 20's and I remember thinking damn I wish I'd had this experience and these insights when I was about 14, 15 or 16. It would have saved me a lot of confusion, a lot of pain trying to figure out the adult world, my parents, social skills and stuff, also I wouldn't have taken life so damn seriously as a teenager.

So LSD will be an amazing trip for you if you get the set and setting right.

Dont do it around straight people, take your time to organize a perfect location where you wont be disturbed, get to a beach or up in the mountains or out in the desert somewhere, have trustworthy friends with you, not too many of them, take plenty of fluids with you, make sure you are well rested and physically healthy, (like dont do it if you have the flu or a cold or any nagging things like a toothache).

If you already smoke weed then take a few buds with you as they will help to give the second half of the trip a good pep up and make the 4 or 5 hour comedown more interesting.

Lsd is probably safer than mushrooms in the sense that you could easily end up tripping much harder on mushrooms than you wanted to as the dose is a bit harder to get right, At least LSD blotters are consistent strength once someone has tried them but mushrooms differ in strength so 2 grams of some normal shrooms will be a nice light ride where as 2 grams of particularly strong ones can just get out of control. Make sure that the acid you are gonna take has been tried by an experienced tripper who can tell you if they are normal strength trips and not double dipped or anything.

Then stick with 1 tab, dont be a hero and take more than 1 on your first trip.

Forget the nutmeg, tastes like shit, has a huge body load, can make you spin out and get sick and the effects are not what you are after.

The only other suggestion I have is to maybe consider trying some MDMA (small dose).
This will not be as intense as LSD but will definitely give you a psychedelic experience way beyond anything you've experienced on weed.

Whatever you decide to do, treat it as a special occasion and take the time to make sure you are in the right place with the right people, it will make all the difference.
 
I also started with mushrooms and acid when I was about 14-15. I wouldnt recommend it though.

I was fine with it and so were my friends but in general this could really fuck you up at that age. we actually took it with a magick innocence. we were and still are best friends, the set and setting was perfect. we all fellt secure and could do what we want. (like taking the oilpaints and start painting the whole cellar we stayed in, listening to beatles and singing. yeah, we were hippies...probably more than real hippies)

anyway, what I wanted to say. If you do it (and you probably will - whatever I say) pay attention to set and setting, do it with people you feel REALLY comfortable with, read up on what youre taking and what you might expirience.

funny thing is. as older me and my friends became as more careful we became with psychedelics.
cause we learned to respect them...they are not toys.

sorry for typos, I am not a native english speaker.


edit. throw the nutmeg away or use it for cooking. my go on it was horrible, felt poisoned for 2 days and gave my liver such a kick in the face that he is still angry at me.

for me Acid is nicer than mushrooms...cause I think the trip is more *stable* and calmer. i find mushrooms quite violent and in a way more *savage*- does that make sense? I think some of you know what I mean.
 
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And It's also great that you are mature enough to post in here asking for advice, that shows that you have a brain and it's working pretty well :)

Not saying that I can tell for sure, but yeah, this is a sign that you might be one of those rare people that are mature enough early on to appreciate psychedelics.

I took LSD in my early 20's and I remember thinking damn I wish I'd had this experience and these insights when I was about 14, 15 or 16. It would have saved me a lot of confusion, a lot of pain trying to figure out the adult world, my parents, social skills and stuff, also I wouldn't have taken life so damn seriously as a teenager.

This is an interesting point. I definitely think a lot of people could derive a lot of good from doing psychedelics in middle adolescence for those who mature a little more quickly and late adolescence/early adulthood for most other people. They have the potential to help the user discover and create the person that the user really wants to be. A lot of young people in contemporary Western society are still lost and searching for this several years after graduating high school. If you can answer the big questions of adolescence (Who am I and what do I want to do with my life?) a little earlier, you could save yourself a lot of trouble down the road.

With that said, I still think 14 is pushing it. You are in quite a ride for the next several years of your life, friend. In as little as three years you will probably look back at yourself (not just for wanting to trip at 14, but for a bunch of other stuff, especially in the Sex, Love, & Relationships department) and have a little embarrassed laugh at your old self. <3

Dont do it around straight people, take your time to organize a perfect location where you wont be disturbed, get to a beach or up in the mountains or out in the desert somewhere, have trustworthy friends with you, not too many of them, take plenty of fluids with you, make sure you are well rested and physically healthy, (like dont do it if you have the flu or a cold or any nagging things like a toothache).

I am not sure what the quoted poster means by "straight people". Sober people are fine to interact with tripping, so long as they are understanding of psychedelic usage (that is, have experience to relate to you with). People that are not okay with illegal drug use are definitely to be avoided if possible.

MDMA (small dose).
This will not be as intense as LSD but will definitely give you a psychedelic experience way beyond anything you've experienced on weed.

No. Unlike most psychedelics, MDMA is bad for your brain. It is a stupid risk to take that young.

Whatever you decide to do, treat it as a special occasion and take the time to make sure you are in the right place with the right people, it will make all the difference.

Absolutely. Everyone with sense will tell you this, but you literally cannot understand why setting is so important before you trip balls. Psychedelics are extremely powerful for the same reason they temporarily make you extremely vulnerable. A strong trip is like tilting a plug-in fan all the way up, putting strips of paper representing your entire understanding of reality on the fan, and turning it on full blast for several hours. When the fan turns off and you are coming down, you can, moreso than any other time, reassemble the pieces in any way you decide.

throw the nutmeg away or use it for cooking.

Oh, absolutely use it for cooking! It's delicious! :)

14 is too young to take acid for the same sort of reason it is too young to get married, not for the same reason that it is too young to drink alcohol or smoke pot.

Well said. However, I think there is a substantial age difference between when it is right to start tripping and when it is right to get married. I already elaborated above about a good age to start tripping. In developed modern societies, I think marriage should be a couple life stages down the line from that: after at least several years of living freely, not cohabiting with family, and fully exploring life for oneself.

Nutmeg wasn't as bad,for me, as you might think, but it is something to be avoided. to be pedantic though it is a psychedelic (a phethylamine) not a deleriant. But it is toxic and almost everyone hated it.

No, nutmeg is definitely a deliriant. It is not a phenethylamine either. The active components of nutmeg are myristicin and elemicin. These are phenylpropenes, which are chemically similar to phenethylamines but not PEAs.



I hope you find a wise person with psychedelic experience to have with you through this journey, to guide you and to relate to you. You will find that very few people, especially at your age (even those who have tripped), will not be able to really have meaningful conversations about psychedelics with you. I could see it being more difficult to venture into psychedelia with inexperienced friends since you would not have anyone to tell you "You're not going to die. You took a physically harmless drug and its effect will wear off in several hours." If you find good friends (or even just one), I think you will discover that tripping is an amazing bonding experience. There is nothing you can share with another person like having your mind ripped wiiiide open then come back to sobriety.

I met the person who is now my best friend when I was 15 and he was just 16 but had experience with psychedelics. They had helped him totally change who he was for the better and start to overcome difficult demons. He got me interested in psychedelics but he purposely did not help me have my first trip. An amazing opportunity with another friend's large, parent-free house arose during summer break when I was 16. My cotrippers (I think I just invented a word, yay!) were 2 years older than me and had plenty of experience with psychedelics.

I understand now why my friend did not just hand me some mushrooms when we first met. It is difficult to explain. I know if he did, I would most likely have a good time and possibly get something important out of it. However, in retrospect, I just did not need to start that young. It is not necessary in a similar way that 7-year-olds do not need to smoke cannabis or anyone does not need smoke cannabis daily (aside from medical reasons). I feel like psychedelics entered my life at a perfect time and in the perfect manner and I am really happy about that. At that point in my life, my friendships from early adolescence (14-16) were dying and I was growing apart from those friends—not due to dramatic bullshit but just because we were all changing. It was similar to the shift of friendships between childhood and early adolescence. Psychedelics gave me a new interest and pushed me towards different sorts of friends at a time when I was just starting to discover what I truly love in life. I know I cannot change whether or not you trip soon, but I hope at least that this post helps you understand why we are telling you to wait.

Random miscellaneous suggestion: have something to write on and something to write with available. IMO this is the best way to take the most out of a trip.

Much love, friend <3 I feel that you will find psychedelics to be a wonderful addition to your life, but I am not so sure it is time to throw them in there yet. Feel free to ask questions.

Wow, this is the longest post I have ever written on here.
 
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Shroooms because lesser duration and easier to control your dosage. Start small buddy, half an eigth or so.. maybe just a g if theyre supposedly strong as fuck. enjoy. and smoke weed if u normally smoke weed.. its not gonna fuck ur trip up just give u structure and familiarity which is good
 
Nutmeg = Deliriant. Deliriants are in no way fun and they can be very dangerous as you'll often do things you'd never think of doing sober.

I'd say mushrooms, because if you're mature enough, they'll do you some good, and if you're not quite mature enough yet they'll kick your ass and make you think twice about doing psychedelics for a few years.%)
 
I'd say mushrooms, because if you're mature enough, they'll do you some good, and if you're not quite mature enough yet they'll kick your ass and make you think twice about doing psychedelics for a few years.%)



This is also a very good point.
 
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