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NSA surveillance thread

^it's perfectly ok so long as you are using an alias, like Jonas Savimbi or Pepin the Short.

lcrlover said:
I was thinking, since attending college and saying you are a foriegn born student in order to get free tuition is a felony,
and holding the office of president with a prior felony is not allowed, why do we have a lying criminal in our white house?
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What?
 
I don't think this is that big of a deal TBPH.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
a certain gay private who is claiming he's transgendered to get off with an insanity plea which won't work since just because someone's transsexual/transgendered it does not make them mentally ill, somehow had access to highly classified info.
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I hope he/she gets off no matter what. Leaking that information was something I would have done too.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I don't think this is that big of a deal TBPH.
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Same. I think that this is just something that we're going to have to learn to accept, as sad as it is. You might not hear about it, but I'm willing to bet the same sort of thing is happening in many other countries (and not just North Korea. I mean like European countries). It's just the price of living in a connected world with a powerful government.

I also suspect that anyone who hated Bush and now hates Obama will never be satisfied with any future president we elect.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I don't think this is that big of a deal TBPH.



I hope he/she gets off no matter what. Leaking that information was something I would have done too.
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Whistleblowers like Manning, Snowden, etc. don't get off in trial if they stay alive long enough to make it to trial, and they get put into Supermax prisons which make them wish they were dead. Those organizations do not like whistleblowers or people who leak classified information about them, and they can make life very difficult for people who can't keep their mouths shut since that's expected of people who work doing that stuff. They also sign non-disclosure contracts if they talk or provide proof and documentation of something that's classified to the press or public, losing their job and going to a trial or being investigated is the least of their worries. :( Research Karen Silkwood, and others as this is all public information.

The media is now claiming that Snowden went into hiding but this is impossible these days and they know exactly where he is.
 
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Ondine said:
Same. I think that this is just something that we're going to have to learn to accept, as sad as it is.
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I can hear many thousands of dead people simultaneously turning in their grave. Whilst an intelligence community is necessary for our security they are clearly going way beyond what is actually necessary to do the job. That data centre in Utah for example.. storing an obscene amount of data.. you can't expect people to believe that is necessary to catch a few cave dwelling box cutter wielding terrorists. And besides, what the fuck use is that when someone like Gary McKinnon can "hack" into military systems? The Chinese are already inside the system no doubt, and others.. so again what is the point.

Do I trust our politicians (William Hague in the UK) to correspond with the intelligence community truthfully, and ensure things are legit? Well considering he was the man responsible for the North Wales care home pedo inquiry, covering up pedos in Maggie Thatchers government.. I'm going to say, no, I don't trust the man.
 
people, please remember that if you voted for the person who's doing this kind of thing it's perfectly acceptable, necessary for national security and questioning it makes you a terrorist. if you did not vote for the person who's doing this kind of thing, it's an outrageous and completely unacceptable trampling of your civil liberties.

etc.

alasdair
 
I find it really sad that I'm not really all that bothered by this.


I suppose it is because like many, I already knew this was happening. This is old news that was ignored and dormant that has been given life due to the addition of a few incidental details by a whistleblower.


My days of freaking out over shit like this are over, because it apparently doesn't matter who you vote for or who is in office, the Pentagon and intelligence organizations have essentially taken over the United States, and much of the rest of the world has been taken over by their own military/intelligence complex's. Nothing anybody can do for now.

On the plus side, these guys have so much information stored on so many people that unless you are planning to become a terrorist, it is very unlikely it could be used against you in any way.
 
^ Sure, anyone who can read between the lines has known for a long time the government has been doing this. But the disturbing part is how the government responds after the whistle has been blown. They are unabashedly telling us that their Stasi-esque tactics of "protecting the homeland" are entirely acceptable if we are to be safe from terrorists. We don't need a government bodyglove sensing everything we do and experience. We don't need for our true patriots to become martyrs. We don't need to eat the shit they are handing out, or to call it good food.
 
exists said:
^ Sure, anyone who can read between the lines has known for a long time the government has been doing this. But the disturbing part is how the government responds after the whistle has been blown. They are unabashedly telling us that their Stasi-esque tactics of "protecting the homeland" are entirely acceptable if we are to be safe from terrorists. We don't need a government bodyglove sensing everything we do and experience. We don't need for our true patriots to become martyrs. We don't need to eat the shit they are handing out, or to call it good food.
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The government has been that way since the Bush administration, however, and began down that path long, long before it.

You are right that we don't need it, and we sure as fuck don't need to eat it, but there is nothing we can do about the bowl of shit being served to us for dinner except politely ask to be excused from the table. It's not going to turn into filet mignon any time soon.
 
3 said:
Nothing anybody can do for now.
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That's not necessarily true. For one thing, we could urge the populace to do away with communication technology. Roam the streets in pell-mell mobs and tear phones out of people's hands. This could be easily organized by Twitter and such.

Were you in South Florida after Andrew or Wilma? When everyone's power went out, for days and days, everyone got to know their neighbors. Everywhere there were barbecues and block parties. Then the lights came back on and nobody spoke to anybody ever again, more or less. Entertainment/communication technology is a poison to the human race and should be severely scaled back.

Further reading.

(I mean, I'm kind of kidding, but actually yeah)
 
I straight up hated Bush, but thought Obama was a breath of fresh air and defended him one too many times. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it still stings to be so wrong about the guy. He lost my support. Edward Snowden is a hero in my opinion. I liken him to the many WW2 german spies that defected during Hitlers regime because of moral objects and exposed valuable intelligence. They were branded traitors and vilified but I'd like to see a Washington politician publicly condemn them now. Whatever, I plan on making a little noise on this issue though it feels kinda pointless to tell you the truth.

Obama Speech on Warrantless Wiretaps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fnfVJzZT4&noredirect=1
 
3 said:
The government has been that way since the Bush administration, however, and began down that path long, long before it.

You are right that we don't need it, and we sure as fuck don't need to eat it, but there is nothing we can do about the bowl of shit being served to us for dinner except politely ask to be excused from the table. It's not going to turn into filet mignon any time soon.
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Yup it's been this way since J. Edgar Hoover, Truman, and probably even before certain departments were created. :\
 
This shit reminds me of what the Stasi did in East Germany. Constant surveillance of every citizen so that nobody does anything wrong. The sad thing is not only is this done under the cover of "democracy" but it also seems that the majority of Americans don't give 2 fucks about it and think it's fine. All done in the guise of protecting people against those big bad brown people who hate our freedoms and thus want to kill us all 8) . It's also rather funny that the gun nut's who cry out about government intrusion into their private lives and buy up assault rifles like WW3 is going to start are saying nothing at all here where it's a clear cut case of government being as about as intrusive as possible into their private lives. But that just shows conservatives for what they are which are reactionary morons who don't give 2 fucks about their lack of freedoms as long as they have their guns. Not that Liberals are any better mind you.

Also if it took this long for this to leak out what else do the NSA have to hide? If people stand by and do nothing about this then they will think less and less about doing more surveillance just as bad or worse then this. If Americans cared as much about their freedoms as they did about their precious guns then this shit would just not go on. The government didn't even dare touch the gun control issue enough to even limit magazine capacity on a assault rifle because the NRA where up in arms but nobody even whispers at stuff like this. Then again the people that actually care about civil liberties don't have a huge lobby to back them up either.
 
Bagseed said:
i wonder why the american cities aren't flooded with people demonstrating right now?
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People will have to be more personally affected, I guess. Reading about it isn't quite as infuriating, it will have to spill into everyone's rugged individualist bubble they've built around themselves.
 
Bardeaux said:
People will have to be more personally affected, I guess. Reading about it isn't quite as infuriating, it will have to spill into everyone's rugged individualist bubble they've built around themselves.
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I second that. Well said :) . I still laugh when people talk as if they are rugged individualists. You wouldn't know but they are Nestor Makhno by the way they get on. They seem not to get the irony that calling yourself a rugged individualist is anything but being a individualist. And your right the people will only give a shit when it interrupts their football game or something.
 
My dentist asked for my opinion on this and I was surprised that he seemed worried about it. Our town installed surveillance cameras to cover every park, every parking lot and all points inbetween a few years ago.

Cameras document license plates as people come and go.

I am not surprised that the federal government is doing more surveillance than the local government. Although I am not surprised, I am annoyed with the bullshiz about motives. I am sure there are people in positions of authority right now with a whole basement full of skeltons who are afraid.

what happens when people can know every one elses darkest secrets?

What if your nastiest drunken or drugged out sexts or rants are all in the paper tomorrow?

I am no one and I have nothing. If my life was turned inside out, no one would care... people would be flipping the channel saying "who the frak cares what this idiot did!?"

Teachers, counselors, lawyers, professors, and of course ANYONE in an elected position might be brought crashing to the floor, marriage and family and jobs all shattered.

Science fiction books written as cautionary tales were never heeded... Fahrenheit 451 is a personal favorite of mine. I find tremendous similarities in our tech culture today and the culture created by Bradbury in the book.

We accepted television. We welcomed cordless phones. Our collective dependence on technology thrives. My grandbabys are use to seeing their parents eyes focused on a screen of some kind. My grandkids are accustom to having their pictures taken constantly, video of them posted out regularly.

The little ones of today do not even know what privacy is. Whatever is to be done with constant lifelong surveillance is sliding slowly and steadily into place.
 
Small fry have little to worry about. You are just not that important people. Get over yourselves.
 
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