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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

Ismene said:
All be available on the darknet - in fact seeing as real drugs are available on the darknet as well what's the fucking point in legal highs once they're banned?
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Because I've grown to like some of them, and Im sure Im not alone in that. There's a sizeable variation of LH benzos atm, some of them are really very nice. Obviously only the substances that were popular will drive a demand for them post ban, and those that werent wont - Etaqualone for example, was so unpopular the vendor couldnt sell it even at £2 a gram. Hopefully it wont be like the mephedrone situation, where to this day its still very rare to find anything that resembles 'proper pre ban'. Many people seem unable to tell the difference between 4-mec and mepehedrone; the amount of times ive been assured by other people that what i am getting really is mephedrone. Only once or twice has it not been fucking 4 fucking mec. The most dissapointing subtance ever released, there certainly wont be any black market demand for that.

Although its a bit of a niche thing, people who are into kratom tend to be very into it, and may want to try continuing to acquire it post-ban. Fuck if my mood just wont lift months after quitting i may as well sell up and move to Thailand, Sumatra, Borneo etc. Live in luxury, as i imagine prices would be cheaper for everything in that part of the world. Im not really serious about moving to a country where kratom is grown. (Hmmmm, kratom growing, didn't someone on EADD try that? I think it was Knock iirc. That might be worth a try - but once again im not really being serious about that either.)
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Slim, I hope. The countries that seem to have a more relaxed approach must have their reasons for that. And long may their reasons last, i hope.
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Not a chance, can you imagine the French being told technically "everything is illegal unless we specifically state otherwise", which is what this legislation does?
It's only us supine Brits that would put up with that sort of thing.
 
Theres nothing illegal about growing a few dozen poppy's , but don't extract opium (that's illegal) most detectives don't even know what somniferum papaver even look like, but they can spot a marijuana plant a mile off..
 
There was a cop show on once and a foreign guy they'd arrested had a pocket full of dried poppy heads. They asked him "What are these?", the guy couldn't speak english very well and said "You take them when you drink". I don't think the silly bastards prosecuted him for them. Obviously they're sold in poppy shops and I think poppy straw was specifically made legal in an amendment to the misuse of drugs act. Presumably growing poppies is illegal tho, you need a special license to grow em according to those people who grow massive fields of them around England.
 
Ismene said:
All be available on the darknet - in fact seeing as real drugs are available on the darknet as well what's the fucking point in legal highs once they're banned?
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Anyone else see this as a positive aspect of a ban like this? The amount of friends I have who won't touch mdma but will take any old skanky stim they bought online because it's legal, despite having no history of human use or a dubious safety record. Hopefully it'll either stop them taking shite, or they'll start doing decent drugs instead :p
 
Ismene said:
There was a cop show on once and a foreign guy they'd arrested had a pocket full of dried poppy heads. They asked him "What are these?", the guy couldn't speak english very well and said "You take them when you drink". I don't think the silly bastards prosecuted him for them. Obviously they're sold in poppy shops and I think poppy straw was specifically made legal in an amendment to the misuse of drugs act. Presumably growing poppies is illegal tho, you need a special license to grow em according to those people who grow massive fields of them around England.
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you dont need a license to grow em. they grow wild all over the place. you see them in peoples gardens all summer....which is very hard for me to walk past now im in rehab and all that.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
That is good to hear, though not quite as good as 'kratom wont be affected'. I guess it was inevitable.

It works much better that way anyway, ive got to the stage where im really only taking it to prevent going into WDs and not really getting any sort of benfit or highs from it. Ive started rotating strains, and found that to help slightly, taking a month off red vein borneo was a good move, it allowed my tolerance to drop, and i got absolutely blasted on the stuff after a month. Tried it again the next night, and nothing. Fucking tolerance to kratom is insane, its lucky that there are so many strains so that it is sometimes possible to enjoy the effects of one of the sedating strains of an evening.
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A-ha. The way I deal with this, when I use it, is use no more than 3-5 days in a row. Then take 2-3 days off. 3 days is enough to wipe the slate clean (or with the extracts I use).

Kratom isn't suited to taking every day because of the quick tolerance build-up. But I need a small amount on the days off, or enough to hold off the discomfort but not enough for any noticeable effects.

Those are the two main things with Kratom. It's really best to use every 3 day, or one day on, two days off. That way there's never a build-up.
 
Ninae said:
It works because it's such a good benzo agonist. Valium was first synthesised based on Valerian, only it's 10+ times stronger and can't really be abused. Well, maybe with a strong extract and a low tolerance, I'd say it's better than Oxazepam.

There are also other things that can really help. When I was in Lyrica withdrawals taking a combination of L-Theanine, Magnesium, and Hops seemed to halve the benzo-withdrawal type effect. But there's really no need when enough Valerian will let you wean off safely.

The only reason this isn't common knowledge is for economic concerns, I think, although strange that not more have figured it out. I guess it's mostly to do with that you need to take a lot. I had to take 10-15 200 mg capsules to find a relief, and who will try that? I just knew Valerian worked somehow as I'd been using it as sleeping pills once in a while before I got addicted to benzos.
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gimme oxazepam over Valerian any day
 
Y ? its great benzo if u wanna take edge off during the day without being a zombie hopeless if u wanna sleep
 
They're shit for my needs. Reasonable effect, but with such a generally weak and short duration of action i found them counterproductive due to the rebound anxiety they produced.

When I first asked my GP for a benzodiazepine in 2002, this is what I was given. After 72 hours of cyclical panic attacks i was back at the surgery asking for diazepam. Fair play to Dr Txxxxl, I left with a prescription for 82 5mg generics.

Just looking at the grey market alone, Id rate diclazepam, flubromazePam, Clonitrazolam and Nifoxipam over Oxazepam any day of the week.

Oxazepam is still a valid and valuable drug, its just that here are about 30 pharmaceutical and rc benzos id sooner go for.
 
I'm sorry for you losing a friend and for all those families that have lost loved ones through a member using drugs; legal or otherwise.
If you look at the ludicrous fatalities that occur from properly prescribed medicines from a gp, its an incredible number. Fact is nothing is 100% safe. Research chemicals, if properly produced (as not to include toxins that in the ingredients list due to fillers, poor manufacturing etc) are still far safer than LEGAL drugs and prescription drugs. For every death there are 1000's of people that manage to responsibly take them with out fatality. Since when has making something illegal ever made something less harmful and attractive to use. It is forced underground where it can't be controlled and where there is no care in quality of production. Who is going to take responsibility for the death??? Well, we have to takeresponsibility for ourselves, its reactionary and short sighted to expect others to take responsibility for yourself. What would you have done? a blanket ban on anything that isn't legal already or that is prescribed?? Think of the scope of that for a minute and the loss of control that would create compared to the situation as is. Some street dealer would then start peddling it, at lower quality, with impurities and at an increased cost. Then who is going to take responsibility for that??? why not just come up with a chemical way to cease any pleasure that any substance would offer by affecting the part of the brain that is involved with pleasure. That way there would be no need for drugs because we wouldn't need them, we've all been lobotomised. There are ways of progressing but I don't think handing control and responsibility to others is the way
 
if the law was changed I doubt that there would be any less deaths due to the same substances which actually have some semblance of control. It wont bring your friend back. why not put your energy into the lacking mental health services that we are all one step away from using, from the flaws in that system??? The government has a duty of care which is being neglected. Nothing can bring a loved one back
 
Don't get me started on mental health services in this country. That is a whole bag of worms that deserves it's own thread. There is probably one but it's late and I'm not looking. You'll never get me to shut up! I get angry at the service or lack there of provided.
 
Fucking shocking mental health system. Got mates that get thrown from doctor to doctor, have been on wards, etc. and still aren't much closer to answers than they were years ago. One mate has recently said that using MDMA has done her more good than years of therapy and meds, which is always good to hear.

What happened to the 12 month ban on new substances, until they'd tested their safety? Not one of those drugs has been legalised (obviously), or even commented on (let alone tested), since they were banned. They can ban whatever they want. Things won't change, at all.
 
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