RCs Novel opioid, U-47700-Mega Thread and FAQ

[llamer]

did you read the whole thread? someone at the beginning who was one of the first to post his TR said it was comparable to oxy and named the ways

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Don't take more than 20mg first (after an allergy test), and yeah you can smoke it.

I'm getting the hcl salt, is it really smokable this way?

I'm getting 100mg at first, just to test. I see people saying they used 40-60mg (no ROA given). I want to IV it as to have the most bang for my buck, and also as an helper to get on the definitely worse for you when taken as long term maintenance, bupe. I don't mind taking flubromazepam 24-32mg a day for 3-4 days until I feel like shit from not taking my bupe and see where this goes. Suboxone has destroyed my teeth, I don't get even a semi-high from it anymore at all, it only keeps wd at bay, and i'm going down in dosage slowly because the 23 cavities it caused me to get in 2 years (that fucking lemon and lime natural and artificial flavouring in the Canadian Suboxone pills, the Teva Generics are much better in that dept., but I have to get 2mg mylans too because my dose is currently 10mg since 3 months, I always end up having no or very little generic suboxone on the last day where I should have my takehome before the day I renew. Anyway, I'm sick of that mu-receptor glueing-long-term-use-modifying-maybe-forever. I had a few full agonist scripts allowed because of a very bad injury twice, they didn't really help out on how I should take them, I would not use bupe for 48 hours then take the Oxycodone-CR 60mg and it would "work", i'd feel something, but mostly a big migraine that'd wake me up in the evening. After 2 weeks of those generic oxycontins, they dropped me to Oxy IR 20mg twice a day for a week then 10mg twice a day for a week, then back on bupe. I only started to feel un-buped about 3/4 the way in, and then just 2x10mg Oxy IR a day didn't keep withdrawals at bay. When I was on methadone (largest dose I got to was 60mg), I remember just drinking half my bottle in the morning and "relapse" because I found very cheap 4mg brand name dillies and that's my DOC so I just couldn't say no. Shooting up dillies worked for the RUSH then, but when on bupe, is where I abandoned even trying, I still have a very large jar full of D4 brand name dillies, chillin in a pantry.

So yeah I want to IV this, and I want to feel it. Please help out with the dosage guys, I'll give 48-72 hours with no bupe, and if it works, i won't be taking bupe at all, I remember when I was on my last 10mg Oxy IR's they had allowed me to have cos of that injury, and I had to take much less already (in a 5 week period) of bupe to keep wds at bay, 4mg was fine, but it wasn't long I was back to my then 12mg dosage. Which is now 10, out of boredom and slight withdrawal effects showing up anyway.

One last question, I'm such a good boy, since the 3 years and a half I've been at that clinic, they rarely piss test me at all, they realized all they would ever find was my psychiatrist scripted valium and very rarely, some weed, which they don't care about at all, I smoke some weed or hash or oil about once or twice a month, sometimes not at all, lately mostly not at all. But would this show up ? Once they detected dilaudid 4 days after I shot it, which surprised me, I told em (because of my pain condition that led me to where I am) I had some Fiorinal with Codeine which I took solely for the "muscle relaxant" in it, saying, there's a muscle relaxant in Fiorinal right? They even scripted me the regular no codeine Fiorinals themselves before so. But I escaped a removal of a takehome, and I went through hell and back to get all my takehomes as early as possible.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Yeah, BL has changed alright. If you can't be arsed to read this little bit of explanation, I'll just go and say : How much to IV after abstaining from suboxon 48 hours, with the best of your knowledges combined, I should be able to determine if I'll get 100mg or more than that.

 

[XANAX XR]

If I would've saw your reply sooner, I would have said something..

I have no experience with such chemical, however, it's active at 3mg (I believe it's active at even lower doses but there's no science to back that up..yet) and it shares similar properties to oxycodone in regards to potency and has similar properties to hydromophone in regards to duration and how it feels.

I would honestly do an allergy test of 3mg, intranasally and if you don't notice any bad effects, I would IV anywhere from 3-9mg the first time, for safety purposes. Due to your tolerance, I think you would be able to take anywhere from 3-50mg in one dose without putting yourself in the danger zone of an OD, however, this is entirely speculation.

BL does not allow drug testing questions but I don't think they will take this down, NO it will not show up on any drug test. The only way they can find it is if they test for it directly with GC/MS and the lab most likely does not have a GC/MS for U-47700, at least in the U.S.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Good, I'll do an allergy test of the like. But is this substance caustic like it's cousin AH-7921 (or was it 7821?). Because the only correct way to take that one would have to be, weighting in and putting it in a gelcap and take orally, it must have had a PH of 12 or such according to pictures of some BL'ters inside of their mouths I've seen here after putting doses of that stuff straight into their mouth...it was horrendous.

So 100mg for someone who wants to IV as a test order is good enough, I'd get about say 6 shots of 15mg?

Saw your edit Xanax XR (your name frustrates me because we can't have Xanax XR in Canada). After 48 hours of no bupe, and those days i'll take 4-6mg max, I'll try a 25mg shot, after the allergy test, and see. It's crazy but they're going to have to put me back on methadone, the side effects methadone caused me are now back to normal (almost 2 years of injecting SC Delatestryl (testosterone enanthate), and after finally reaching normal T levels, that methadone drained to dangerous levels, bupe is not so hard on T and cortisol like full blown opiates, so after changing to bupe for 2 years also, and now after 1 month, blood tests indicate that my T levels are still normal, 1 month is enough to clear all the test enanthate is my understanding. So yeah, I've had 3 small cavities in my whole life, after 2 years and a half of suboxone, a visit to the dentist, my first since 2011, showed I had 23 cavities, because of the damn lemon and lime extracts in Canadian Suboxone pills. I'm actually glad generic pills finally appeared, the Teva ones are much less acidic and strong tasting, I get 8mg tevas and unfortunately the pharmacy did what they could for me and ordered Tevas only for me due to the cavity issue (now down to 14 left, 2 appointments a month to fix my teeth is not fast enough, but I can't do much, plus that dentist is totally anti-opiates, I picked him at random because I had a quarrel with the dentist who took over the office of the dentist i've had all my life, who would dispense Dilaudid and Zanaflex for any dental pain. That guy i'm seeing, I told him, if I ever need a root canal, i'm not seeing you, dentists here have a reputation for scripting Dilaudid 1-2mg since it's so worthless orally to get high, unlike Percodans/Percocets/Empracets. So I'm going eventually back on methadone in january, so I don't mind going back the full blown mu agonist route for my tapering away. Fuck, my GP has Oxycodone CR 60mg script for me as soon as I am off the ORT meds, the ORT clinic and he talked about my case and decided my place was definitely a pain clinic I only ended up buying pharms because a specialist who had me on an opiate regimen retired on me and I had to find a pharms dealer because of the sickness that was unbearable.

So I have no qualms with trying this U-47700. Thanks for the info.

 

[MonicaRae]

Not sure if there's a real answer but I have 500mgs coming today...first time trying it. I take 6mgs of Subutex a day and have for at least 6 years - got some honest news from the doc last week if I take any opiate I won't feel sick cuz I've been on the Subutex so long.
Question is how much should I do to break thru the barrier. Sure there's no naloxone in it like in suboxone but I still have a tolerance/block.
I'm gonna do an allergy test. Then idk if I should snort a little at a time or go for it.
Anyone plug it? Sounds gross but come on now no its not lol

 

[XANAX XR]

I'd say the 6 shots of 15mg is accurate, of course it all depends on the purity of the product you are getting. I've heard people being able to do 40mg with very little tolerance which makes almost no sense to me unless their product was of poor quality.

As long as you aren't expecting that 100mg (as it is kind of a small-ish amount for someone who is tolerant to opioids) to last, you're good.


For the above poster, I couldn't advise anything if you're going to take it along side the sub... I have no idea what would happen and how much you'd have to take.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

The only thing I have questions about now is the length of action and if there's a rush that's typical of dilaudid/morphine/heroin and I imagine the lucky ones who get Opana 10mg IR and have the proper filters and IV that.

Is it a 4-6 hour length of action like morphine? I'm going to say that I'm almost regretting my test purchase if there is no out-of-this-world rush of bliss like from Dilaudid/HM Contins. But then again 20 minutes later and a dilaudid shot is gone, but the rush is only reason to IV hydromorphone, because the 3-4 minutes rush that starts from behind your legs and slowly creeps up and then suddenly reaches your brain is why I fell down and had to go on ORT. That and the money it cost.

As for the quality, it's up there, the vendor has NMR results of ALL compounds they sell, made by themselves.

 

[XANAX XR]

It lasts about as long as dilaudid, perhaps a bit longer. 2-4 hours typically.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I'm thankful it at least lasts a little longer, dilaudid is what ruined me, became my DOC because of that lull where there was no oxycontin at all before the OxyNeo and a month later the generics came out, so about 6 months where only IR formulations of oxycodone were around but my guy suddenly could not have either, all he had was Dillies and HM Contins, which is too damn hard to attempt not shooting up, especially since his dilaudid was brand name, tiny yellow or brown or white triangles (4's, 2's and 8's in order of how common they would be) and 30mg HM Contins even more often than even the 18's and the 24's. And the price was so cheap its ridiculous, when you look at a bill for say 30 Dilaudid 4mg here it's a real joke, I doubt its more than 15 dollars, brand name. But that's Canada for ya.

So I called a street worker (not a prostitute) to ask her if she still worked near my home and yep, won't have to go to the hospital at the triage area to get injection kits. This one time there was a huge, HUGE line to even be triaged and only 1 out of 2 triage rooms/nurses available and I was having withdrawal diarrhea and I was there farting and once when the nurse left with a patient to bring them to the main office in the waiting room to sign papers, I ran inside the triage room and opened the pantry door where they put the injection kits.

Funny how since I did that, they no more have them in that triage room. But goddamn I was not going to take a shit during october on the waiting room shitter of an ER when people have all kinds of viruses and diseases at the worst time of the year.

Funny story as a bonus, i'm a bit benz'd and that tends to make me talk a lot, irl or typed

It's their fault, it used to be that even here, a city with no heroin because it's too isolated and northern despite the population of a quarter million, all pharmacies had injection exchange symbols on their doors. Now only one does and it's the one that is allowed to server liquid methadone for addicts. They've seen my face too much there I wouldn't go and ask for syringes there, although I could buy some at any other without a problem, I rather get the free ones in our kits, they're 27 1/2 G BT brand and I find that to be the perfect gauge.

 

[XANAX XR]

I feel you on the benzo's part, haha.

Don't take my word for it, 100%, because some people have stated it lasts even shorter but I can't see that as being possible.... there's just no way.

I do think its safe to say it's duration is longer than dilaudid, despite what other people say.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Have you had it yourself, y'know, for making these claims about it? You're the one being the most straightforward but now I don't know if you even had it.

 

[XANAX XR]

I stated 2 or 3 posts above I have not have any first-hand experience with the substance, however, I have taken thoroughly analyzed reports and found decent reports/information on it. [Which will change relatively soon]

My advice is better than most because a lot of the people who have tried this shit will tell you some of the most non-filtered information because of their tolerance or things in their environment we do not know about.

You're welcome to disregard everything I've said, however, if you get 100% pure uncut U-47700, you are likely to find what I said to be true.

I do know for sure that it will NOT show up on any panel drug test, at least urine analysis as well as that it is similar to oxycodone in regard to dosing and dilaudid as to how it feels.

>Why it won't show up on ANY urinary analysis --> U-47700 has no chemical relation to any opioids besides it's 'parent' molecule, AH-7921, therefore it will not cause any false positives for morphine, heroin, oxycodone, methadone, buprenorphine..etc. As well as the known metabolites it produces also have no relation to these chemicals, aside from how the substance feels in our body. The only way you would fail a test is if your U-47700 had a cut with another opiate, which is unlikely so you don't have to worry.

There are some concerns as if it would show up as thebaine but I do not believe such claims as it would make no sense.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Check your PM's, Xanax XR

 

[XANAX XR]

Check your PM's, I just came across something VERY-VERY interesting and VERY useful for your situation... I was shocked to have read it.

 

[XANAX XR]

I'm going to make a big informational post about this drug as soon as I get my hands on it.... the information I have already compiled on it is pretty solid, sadly I am not a medical professional in any form so I couldn't provide lab analysis reports, ha, however, I've came across useful reports across data sites.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Only thing that pisses me off is that I'll be getting it tomorrow, and tomorrow is generic suboxone pills renewal day, so I gotta take 10mg right in front of the pharmacist and stay there until it's melted before I can leave with my takehomes. Unless the owner is there, I got a good relationship with him,he lets me leave right away. So I can spit out most of the dose out when I leave (never had to before but sounds like I will have to. Because one thing worries me, which is stacked up respiratory depression. I mentioned before that I have a huge jar of over 60 4mg dilaudid that I bought because they were so cheap from people who don't know the street prices of pharms at all. I had 110 at the beginning.

I had a 8mg shot 27 hour after no bupe. Zero effect. I did a 12mg shot, nada. I got mad and made the largest dose I ever made at once (20mg, 16mg was my record previously) and I felt something, but mostly it was RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION. Feeling that thing when fully awake is frightening, thankfully my Symbicort inhaler saved the day, it's an instantly working bronchodilator+corticosteroid and the bronchodilator is long acting (lasts 16h). 2 shots were needed to feel normal again, then I took the bottle of dilaudid and put it in my stash, thinking "one day".

Just hope not to get anywhere that.

 

[electric moon]

Right. How old are you, like 12?

Well I can understand his anger and I understand why you'd be pissed at his way of expressing it. But hey, maby people don't have any love for the classics anymore, some with legit reasons (e.g. legal status). This is especially true in the psychedelic department. Who even takes mescaline anymore? To most it's the best long acting serotonergic psychedelic out there.

Morphine is a shitty opiate in my experience. It's just a matter of taste - to each their own.

Let's get this straight though: He does have a valid point in that it is definitely more dangerous to use novel chemicals, some of them not even having been considered for use in humans. Heroin was introduced very hastily. The marketing campaign was huge. Every other doctor ended up taking it believing it would not be as addictive... Needless to say, the marketing division of Bayer's Elberfelder Farbenfabriken knew exactly what they were doing when they pushed it as hard as they did.

In that way, diamorphine is a good example for why it is not good to take novel chemicals. Nobody was prepared for the intensity of the dependence/withdrawls. You just couldn't make an educated decision whether to take the substance or not.
With morphine and diamorphine you are on much safer grounds than you are with U-47700 today. You should expect to run a much higher risk of experiencing unanticipated adverse effects since it has not been studied in humans. It's all guesswork. We just don't know our bodies well enough to foresee a drug's effects. 9 out of 10 people might be okay and the 10th subject drops dead on the spot or has his cock rot off or gives birth to phocomelic babies. :/

There is a reason why drugs have to go through extensive trials today (thalidomide and the phocomelic new borns of which only half survived played a large role). Since I was heavily criticized for digging out the thalidomide case before, I will say that it is not only the most prominent disasters of this kind and the one with the biggest impact, but it also shows perfectly well how unpredictable drug effects can be. I'd recommend whomever isn't perfectly familiar with it to read into it. Also check out TGN1412 if you are interested, another unexpected disaster, thanks to Phase 1 trials only a few people died. Now do you want to be that phase 1 patient? Please don't say it's different with U-47700 since it's an opiate opposed to an immune modulator like the two drugs I just mentioned. Of course it's different, but the unpredictability of this opiate is significant nonetheless.

Personally I am quite adventurous, but I know fully well that it's not very clever reaching for some novel creation instead of a 'classic'. Classics aside from the naturally occuring opiates (codeine, morphine, less so noscapine, thebaine and it's mu-opiodergic metabolites being quite toxic actually) would primarily be all the half synthetical modifications of them out there, some of which are just molecularly rearranged, others are a product of simple reduction or oxidation. Some of these half synthetics can even be considered endogenous when we look at human morphine pharmacokinetics.

But even those are neither predictable nor safe. Nobody who hadn't experienced it first hand would've guessed how much more euphoric and dependence forming morphine would become with those two acetyl groups. Throughout the 19th century we found a shit ton of new pharmaceuticals, a few of which are still the undisputed champions at what they are supposed to do (e.g. aspirin and heroin), others evened the road for more popular substances (e.g. phenacetine for paracetamol). What I'm saying is that we had an idea of what acetylation can do. In many cases compounds would be deacetylated by merely being brought into aqueous solution, through temperature or pH fluctuations, in others our deacetylases would take care of it quickly. Still, nobody could have been prepared.

That's why we have no idea what to expect from this little bad boy either. There is not a doubt it would be much safer to consume trusted opiates instead.

U-50488 would spark my interest personally. I'd love a substance that can induce that sweet salviaesque insanity, somewhere between tea time with the gods and a complete utterly surreal nightmare.

Nope, that's just wrong. Legal in a sense that you cannot be prosecuted for mere possession, trade or manufacture sure, but as soon as the authorities find out the substance is intended for experiencing pharmacological effects, you are violating drug laws in many developed countries. It depends on where you live, but it's very rare that you are safe to sell or purchase novel drugs for how fucked up they get you. Every psychoactive substance is subject to legal regulations in Germany, even if only implicitely so.

In an ideal world I would agree. It's a sad reality though that people make the wrong decisions. Legalizing all drugs now would be a disaster. It requires the people to be well educated in order for them to be able to make adequate decisions. Shit, most medical professions don't even know a whole lot about recreational drugs, not even psychiatrists. I agree that the illegal status of most major drugs has introduced massive problems, especially in terms of law and health, but legalization isn't without downsides either.

What will it take for you to shove your little self righteous rant back up your ass?

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

First, 2.5mg, to determine if I react badly to this stuff, nope, I'm just fine,

I only had 2mg bupe yesterday because its often what happens on the last day before I need to go refill my takehomes. The owner is the one behind the counter, yes, I can leave right away, I spit out the bupe before I get to my car.
My first shot was of 16mg. This stuff has a rush, a mini-dilaudid rush, but still not a morphine rush. Weird. Definite legs

1 hour later it's gone mostly, I didn't take any benzos that day except 0.25 flub-lam when I woke up to drive to the pharmacy.
I prepare another shot, 19mg, oh goddamn this stuff has legs, I listen to Entombed - Entombed (the album with all their 90's EP's on one on CD) and have a good time.But I want to experience a real rush, I buck up and prepare a 23mg shot 1h30 later. I would say the effects of this thing when IV'd are between 1 hour to 2 hour. So definitely better than the opi-crack that is hydromorphone.

Before taking that shot, I take the only Halcion I have left, 0.25mg (well generic Apo-Triaz, they stopped making it in october 2013) and a .5mg flubromazepam.

Injection after giving time for these 2 to take effect was euphoric, so euphoric. And in theory nothing should still be getting me high, I still had 6mg bupe 48 hours ago and 2mg 24 hours ago and and undetermined amount in my mouth, melting for a minute before I spat it out in the parking lot.

Then I decided a nap would feel good. And it sure did, I slept from 6 pm to 1:45pm! This isn't useless right now like those 60-75 4mg dillies I have in a jar in my stack right now, that's for sure.

 

[XANAX XR]

Have you had any experience with snorting it yet? If you have, how is the duration for that ROA.?