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Novel Fentanyl Analogue

My god....

I've been trying -and I mean it- to read the mentioned above thread, while I was literally bent over myself laughing my balls out.

It's hard to do, but reading it really worths.
The best quote after meeting such that kinda creature that does over a kilogram of pure heroine each day (more or less, it's not accurately calculated loooooool) through an odd an unknown fentanyl analogue that himself synthesized... pfffffffflooooool...

is this:

"Now i know i always preach to not be an asshole and only post if you have something constructive to say." -- Thanks to The Unknown for this quote inside the the thread of what the most insane clown ever posted.

You can find always something nice to learn, even not to be like someone.
And that's a a lot!!
 
IMO such a substance cannot have recreational potential. Fentanyl analogues such as carfentanyl have a half life of 10 minutes, and doses would have you on the floor with breathing complications. Even if a correct dose was administered, euphoria would most likely be non-existent, and the short duration would mean that it'd be more likened to being unconscious briefly than getting an opiate high. It's an intersting molecule, but has no place in medicine or in the streets. Don't kill yourself working with this thing, it's not worth it. On the other hand, i could be completely wrong, and it could be the next best analgaesic. If you could pull off some safe research on this thing, I'm sure the results would be interesting.
 
you are completely wrong. fast onset short duration opiates have a hugely important place in medicine: anaesthesia
 
Symposion said:
There's a Daily Mirror article written where A.Shulgin is shown as the father of hundred of deaths -because of MDMA, just for his words, as he didn't create the material- and instead of pledge forgiveness, he is proud to do what he does.
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Is Henry Ford to be blamed for all the traffic fatalities and DUIs? Or do you think maybe it is more appropriate to blame the moronic humans who kill themselves in/with cars? Shulgin ought to be proud, dumbasses should be dead so what is the problem?
 
DoseYouAll said:
Is Henry Ford to be blamed for all the traffic fatalities and DUIs? Or do you think maybe it is more appropriate to blame the moronic humans who kill themselves in/with cars? Shulgin ought to be proud, dumbasses should be dead so what is the problem?
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Yeah, i just mentioned it.
I don't agree with such that stupid reasoning, but it works... just take a look how he is presented, as a heartless jerk.

Disgusting, but it worked for many well-minded people... sure.
He is the one to blame!!:\

;)
 
Turing Machine said:
I think the chemist was caught and named by I cannot find the information atm. The guy sounds like a real life "Walter White" from the show Breaking Bad.
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It's probably in the 92/93 case referenced here as USA v. Ricardo Valdez. I can't find the court transcripts:

And then there was the gravest mistake of his young American life, the contours of which are contained in Case No. 92-0015-G, U.S.A. v. Ricardo Valdez, a drug trial in federal court in San Diego.

Standing before the judge in the spring of 1993, prosecutor Laura Birkmeyer described a man his relatives said they scarcely recognized, a man who ruthlessly manufactured a lethal street drug known as fentanyl. A man the government had chased since agents discovered more than two pounds of homemade fentanyl in a California apartment in 1988.

"Quite honestly," the prosecutor told the judge, "he has a very dangerous knowledge, and I think we should do everything we possibly can to keep him from ever manufacturing any synthetic or a natural drug again."

Valdez was sent to prison; he would be back on the streets in 2003.
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Supposedly he moved to Mexico City in 2003 and started churning out fentanyl again until he was raided by Mexican cops in 2006; he supposedly made like 10 kilos of fent for the cartels between 2003 & 2006.
 
seep said:
There was a bunch of confirmed 3-methylfentanyl in Estonia in 2005-2006

But in the West, a series of things promoted as "China White" hit North America from late 2003 (when something by that name was offered to me in Miami) till about 2007: but I can't confirm that any of what was passed off in the US as China White was anything more than mixtures of heroin and (plain) fentanyl.

Do y'all know if any of the shit that was swirling around this continent back then was actually a fent analogue and not just fent itself? Like, can you link to any North American forensic or toxicology reports from the middle part of this past decade?
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I think the epic adventures of In The Eyes of God and his pharofentanyl was set in Canada
 
You'll agree, though, that even the humble Fentanyl should never never never reach the fingers of a retail heroin dealer. Some of my dealers have been rational, well-adjusted human beings. But many have been remarkable scumfucks--the type of people who accidentally starve whole litters of kittens several times a decade.

Generally the least conspicuous way to smuggle a substance is as a compressed solid. Even regular fentanyl allows a cartel (or whatever) to reduce bulk by 2 degrees of magnitude. At some point the solid will have to be decompressed (like with a chisel), then mixed with a bulking powder and packaged, maybe to then be repackaged several times. You've got a scenario where someone'll be mixing 100 parts inert powder with one part fentanyl. These are not nicely-miscible fluids, but solids. See Turing Machine's post for how that can go awry.
 
He was the same guy that would post under sphinx, pharaohsphinx and some other names right? This dude was the ultimate narcissistic psychopath. Also a steroid user who "does it to intimidate people" and wasn't ashamed to say so. A true clown he was =D
 
Fentanyl analogues interest me somewhat, but open chain opioids are much more interesting IMO

but Fentanyl can be THE SHIT. about 2 weeks ago i had 250mcg (from a doctor! lol i would never touch a needle to myself) through an IV before getting a spinal injection...needless to say i was smiling so wide looking like an idiot and felt fucking amazing. i was fully sedated for a short period of time thereafter, though i tried to stay awake. still, it was great shit. i can see why people love the IV
 
seep said:
Generally the least conspicuous way to smuggle a substance is as a compressed solid. Even regular fentanyl allows a cartel (or whatever) to reduce bulk by 2 degrees of magnitude. At some point the solid will have to be decompressed (like with a chisel), then mixed with a bulking powder and packaged, maybe to then be repackaged several times. You've got a scenario where someone'll be mixing 100 parts inert powder with one part fentanyl. These are not nicely-miscible fluids, but solids. See Turing Machine's post for how that can go awry.
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You make a good point, but I bet that certain people are intrigued by the idea that a tiny cube of compressed powder, wrapped in a condom and tucked away up some poor fucker's arse, might substitute for a truckload of heroin. That sounds like easy money if you're not too concerned about other people's health.
 
Yes....you wnt to stop breathing. Carfentanil is what they use on African Apex Predators to relocate. Fentenyl is so potent anyways. If your actually running experiments :\, work on popular simple morphine base (3 ring) drug-changes. Ie...oxymorphone is one molecule substituted to become NALOXONE.

Nagelfar said:
How come / why is it you never read such opioids referred to as 'super-agonists' when that is supposed to be the official name of any agonist that is more effective than the endogenous ligand? Is there some reason it is not a super agonist? Is binding frequency over receptor conformation efficacy play a part in the nomeclature or something?
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Looking for a sure fire chemical method of suicide or the like are you? :P
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Just look into the plenty of fent analouges. There chemistry is already proven.

Dude Man said:
I see the MANY obvious arguements against such potent opiates.

BUT I personally would love to have a drug that each 10 nano grams (as in a billionth of a gram) is as or more potent then a gram of heroin (seeing as a decent dose of heroin for one without tolerance is 100 mg thus 10 doses per gram). this would mean one would only have to break that one gram into the billion doses they would get out of it and even with a half life of a few hours that would be a LIFE TIME of opiate doses for one person and probally all of their friends. I mean SHIT, a billion doses!.

YES of course it would be EXTREMELY dangerous in MOST hands but those with enough self control, knowledge and care would be able to utilize such a substance for great benefit not only of the recreational variety BUT for medical and pain usage and probally even for the tranquilizing of large animals (like elephants ) such as is the use of carfentanyl.
BUT THERE ARE MANY ISSUES BESIDES JUST STRENGTH ESPECAILLY WHEN IT COMES TO RECREATION VALUE SUCH AS HALF LIFE, THE RUSH, ADDICTIVENESS, COME DOWN, SIDE EFFECTS (LONG TERM AND SHORT)..ALOT TO THINK ABOUT HERE BOTH FOR SAFETY AND PRACTICALITY

Of course having been a regular heroin user for 8 years i am
very biaist on such issues. I actually like fentanyl alot even with heroin but not really into the realitively weaker opiates ANED HONESTLY EVEN OXYCONTIN DOESN'T DO SHIT FOR ME T0 MAKE IT WORTH WHILE AND THE PRICE...I DONT KNOW HOW PEOPLE SPEND $20 ON AN OXY 80 LET ALNOE FUCKING 80 IN SOME PLACES WHEN A DIME BAG OF STREET H (.1-.15 GRAMS) WHICH HERE IN CHICAGO IS USUALLY 10-30 % PURITY HAS WAY MORE OF A KICK.

SORRY ABOUT RAMBLING AND PLEASE ASK FOR ANY CLEARIFICTIONS ON MY PIOUNTS CAUSE I AM SMACKED OUT OF MY MIND RIGHT NOW
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I remember pharaoh and all those fent blots he put out, as well as the powder. At the very least it was plain fent. that shit was nuts, people croaking out left and right on that.
 
The turtle fents were nice. Don't see the appeal of fent though. Unless an analogue can replicate the euphoria of traditional opiates I don't see the point. Fent is too short acting and tolerance happens way too fast.

The lednicer compounds might be a better direction.
 
Well they require precursors which are difficult to obtain, controlled, and difficult chemistry. Why spend 100/g when you can get fentanyl analogues of the same potency for 10/g
 
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