Opioids Normal to be getting very high on my methadone?

[Bomb319]

I'm at 70 mg now, and it kicks in about an hour after dosing (10 mg/ml cherry syrup kind). I start to feel a fairly strong opiate buzz creep up,and I especially feel it in my arms and legs..kind of like an opposite of RLS in withdrawal. It lasts a long time, and I wake up at night feeling it, although I get lethargic and worn down around 22 hours after last dose.

I've been on the MMT program for just over 3 weeks now, starting at 30 mg and going up 20 to 50, then 20 to 70 now. I just thought that 70 would be a blocking dose - If I shoot up even as little as a point of H, I still certainly feel the rush, and get very high as it adds to the methadone and can leave me nodding. I want to be off H completely though, so is it just that it takes longer for the euphoria to wear off with methadone, or do I need a higher dose until I can't feel the H anymore??

 

[StigmaShadow]

Dude stop doing heroin while you're on methadone. The whole point of you getting on methadone is to get off the H. I mean do you really want to quit heroin or do you want to do heroin AND methadone? You have to take some initiative and get off the H. The methadone is there to ease the withdrawals, and from the sound of it its working really well. You could be really close to overdosing...

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

If you are getting that high on the methadone, you are clearly on too much for whatever your tolerance was. Also, if you keep doing dope on top of the methadone, you're just gonna screw yourself and jack your tolerance up, and since the methadone is already hitting you so hard, possibly overdose.

Do not up your dose anymore. Stay on the 70 (or even go down so you're not getting blasted on it) and then stop doing dope. After a few weeks, you'll level out on whatever dose you're on and your body will get more used to it.

Doesn't sound like you're on methadone for the right reasons right now, man..

 

[Bomb319]

Actually I'm there by choice and I really do want to get clean.The only reason I;m still doing some H is that my doctor told me that this dose will probably not hold me, and that she expects me to "chip" until they can up me some more.I told her that I want to be completely clean and save money. I just thought my dose was too low since it isn't blocking the effects of the H. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Haha. Are you kidding? You're getting high as a kite on the methadone but are wondering if it's too low of a dose? Come on, man. Your doctor told you that because some addicts with large habits, do need to use for a while when they first get on the methadone because it doesn't hold them, because they are in withdrawal still... and you're using that now as an excuse to continue getting high on dope, even though you were probably on a high enough dose of methadone 3 dosage raises ago. And I think you know that.

You're abusing the clinic right now by letting them raise your dose so you can get high on the methadone and on top of it, still using dope because they gave you a justification to do so. Not trying to pick on you, man.. but it's pretty clear what's happening and I think you're aware of what you're doing.

They are so free with raising peoples dose in the beginning and letting them use on top of it, so that people with real habits can get the help and relief they need, not so that people can come in and just get high and abuse the methadone. It's like disrespectful to the people who really need it.

 

[Bomb319]

Yes I'm getting high, and obviously enjoying the fact that I can do so without spending nearly as much on dope, but it is the honest to God truth that my doctor told me I should probably keep using small amounts of H until it no longer affects me, and that's when we will know I'm on the proper "blocking" dose...

 

[Bomb319]

Also the 30 mg dose was nowhere near enough to hold me. I woke up sweating, yawning and sneezing,hardly able to walk the 3 blocks to get my dose. 50mg was quite a bit better, but I still had a fair amount of symptoms. The strange thing is this is my 5th dose of 70 mg, and today is the ONLY day I felt high on it.That's why I wondered what was going on.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Ha did you tell him how high you were on the methadone?

 

[weliveinawheel]

I am kind of new to all of this, &this site.

But I have never heard of being put on a dose that still gets you high to begin management. &to be honest, hypothetically speaking, if I were placed on a dose to be taken off of the dose of percocet that I am taking myself off of (a low dose, I am told ... 30mg 6 days a week) ... and that dose was still getting me high - I would have zero initiative to stop taking it...

I had to read shit to scare the fuck out of me - and give myself terrible anxiety - &suck up the little bit of withdrawal - &it sounds like you should just do the same.

I don't think taking that dose of methadone PLUS the dope is doing anything positive for your plan. If anything, it is seriously clouding your judgement. &hindering your rationality.

 

[weliveinawheel]

I am kind of new to all of this, &this site.

But I have never heard of being put on a dose that still gets you high to begin management. &to be honest, hypothetically speaking, if I were placed on a dose to be taken off of the dose of percocet that I am taking myself off of (a low dose, I am told ... 30mg 6 days a week) ... and that dose was still getting me high - I would have zero initiative to stop taking it...

I had to read shit to scare the fuck out of me - and give myself terrible anxiety - &suck up the little bit of withdrawal - &it sounds like you should just do the same.

I don't think taking that dose of methadone PLUS the dope is doing anything positive for your plan. If anything, it is seriously clouding your judgement. &hindering your rationality.



^^ *** ALSO, I know - totally different realm ... but I kind of think that regardless of the drug/dose - an addict thinks like an addict...

 

[Bomb319]

^^

Ha did you tell him how high you were on the methadone?

Well like I said this is the first day I've really noticed such a pronounced effect. I have an appointment Thursday to possibly up my dose again, but it sounds as if that obviously is not necessary and a bad idea.

 

[Bomb319]

I am kind of new to all of this, &this site.

But I have never heard of being put on a dose that still gets you high to begin management. &to be honest, hypothetically speaking, if I were placed on a dose to be taken off of the dose of percocet that I am taking myself off of (a low dose, I am told ... 30mg 6 days a week) ... and that dose was still getting me high - I would have zero initiative to stop taking it...

I had to read shit to scare the fuck out of me - and give myself terrible anxiety - &suck up the little bit of withdrawal - &it sounds like you should just do the same.

I don't think taking that dose of methadone PLUS the dope is doing anything positive for your plan. If anything, it is seriously clouding your judgement. &hindering your rationality.

Sorry bro, I appreciate the advice, but you do NOT know my history. I have been using up to a gram of H daily for 7 years now, alternating with brutal and intense physical and psychological withdrawals with many attempts to quit. I started off prescribed hundreds of percocets a month, and for awhile I was buying 50 8 mg Dilaudid or Oxy a day and shooting them. I lost several jobs and had to drop out of school because of it.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Well, honestly there are certain clinics that basically force their patients to get to a blocking dose, which is around 80-100mg's for most people, even if they don't actually need it for their withdrawals. I don't agree with that practice and I don't like clinics that do that, but that could very well be what he is doing.

 

[weliveinawheel]

Sorry bro, I appreciate the advice, but you do NOT know my history. I have been using up to a gram of H daily for 7 years now, alternating with brutal and intense physical and psychological withdrawals with many attempts to quit. I started off prescribed hundreds of percocets a month, and for awhile I was buying 50 8 mg Dilaudid or Oxy a day and shooting them. I lost several jobs and had to drop out of school because of it.

My apologies.

 

[bukweat]

You started at 30 and 3 weeks later your at 70? Methadone takes about a week for blood plasma levels to stabilize. Your doctor is raising the dose too quickly IMO. You're still on your honeymoon, as they call it.
Shit, they're fucking your tolly all to hell. You're not helping yourself by slammin either.
I really y hope you can get a dose that holds you. Methadone and heroin are an overdose waiting to happen.

 

[NoSpikes]

I get dones (150mg day) and 120 mg of roxies a day. I suspect your issue is being new to mixing them. When I first started out I'd have to cover one eye when driving from tunnel vision. I know it was stupid of me but I couldn't afford to lose my job. Some ppl say hot food kicks in dones so maybe avoid that untilyour body adjusts. I thought a bblocking dose of dones had to be significantly higher than 70mg. At least 120mg or probably higher. Just be careful and have someone who cares about u around if your that buzzed. Ppl are different so that dosage may be a lot for u. Before I ever did dones a 5mg would buzz me for 8 hours and make me sick for 2 days after

 

[Nerm]

Weeeeellll, Methadone is a Heroin substitute, so from what you're asking, yes its normal to be getting high off of it. And idk about what program your in for the Methdone thing but the doctor here that runs the Methadone program does random drug tests to try and make sure you're not using anything else, and of course if you get caught having used something else you at least get talked to so be careful and of course try your best to stop using the heroin. Good luck dude.

 

[adder]

With a doctor like that it's less likely to kick the habit. Honestly, the doctor needs to keep some discipline if you can't and that is for your own sake, because if you lack some strength at the beginning, he/she should have. We opioid addicts all have gone through withdrawals and our stories are scary, but if we decided to get off, then we also had to sacrifice some things like our comfort. It's either your bad mindset or the reasons for getting off aren't really serious, because clearly there's no fear of relapsing in you (well, actually you didn't stop in my opinion in the first place).

I'm currently on 4mg of Suboxone, I was on methadone before, I've been over 9 years on opioids now. I did think I want to get off morphine/heroin, so I kept getting methadone, and as I look back, yes - I overdid, I didn't use it as I should have. When opioids really started ruining my life, I got off methadone with no substitute, and trust me I was through hellish withdrawal for ~2 months and I couldn't handle it, thus I'm on Suboxone now. I do have cravings, and I can't even tell what meaning I introduced into my life for morphine throughout these years, it's like it was the love of my life I can't be with any more, so clearly I'm not criticizing your need to get high, calm down, or whatever you use heroin for. It's simply your attitude that for me seems not right to be able to stay clean with a positive state of mind. I know you can be delicate, because I consider myself over-sensitive too, but I've seen a lot of addicts on the street and in hospitals who took for longer than me, and if somehow they could tough it out, I knew I could as well.

I hate my country for a lot of things, but although there are few programs, the way they function makes it possible to find a doctor who really cares, because they get no money from patients directly, and the program is covered from public insurance.

Trust me, you DON'T need heroin being on methadone.

 

[cwake18]

Actually I'm there by choice and I really do want to get clean.The only reason I;m still doing some H is that my doctor told me that this dose will probably not hold me, and that she expects me to "chip" until they can up me some more.I told her that I want to be completely clean and save money. I just thought my dose was too low since it isn't blocking the effects of the H. Thanks for the advice.

That's what all the clinics do to get your dose up and get you feeling good and "liking" methadone and makes it so hard to get off of. It's a business.

You're already on an adequate dose, I was on enough too and after a month or so the premature "wearing off" of the methadone stops and your doses start to pile up and hold longer as he said, when your body gets used to it.

At two clinics, this same thing happened to me and they both said "we expect you to use pretty much, until you're on the right dose," so you're like oohh permission to use!

But then you develop a double habit then your tolerance for methadone becomes fucked up. I used that permission to do dope for about 3 weeks to keep using but I stopped and was then sick off my methadone dose but I let it be and it leveled out.

 

[adder]

I always knew it's not socialism that is bad, but it's people who misuse it in the same way people know misuse capitalism. It's just that capitalism allows the kind of manipulation that will last ages, and when eventually enough people realize it's killing them, they will all be too worn down to do anything.