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Non-recreational use of psychedelic drug success stories v. that's a tool not a toy!

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So, I abused the crap out of psychedelics and suffered some side effects that I am recovering from, you all know that (or those of you who have read my other threads).

What I am writing about here, however, is the beneficial use of psychedelics... I have heard a quote "To use psychedelics with no purpose is like buying a farrari, souping up the engine, and using it to drive circles in a parking lot". I agree with this alot (especially about the driving in circles hehe)!

While each journey was a wonderful and spectacular beauitiful journey full of personal growth and learning, there was a few times I actually used psychedelics as a mind-transforming tool to my long-term betterment. One of the best examples of this is this:

My fiance and I were terrible smokers, a pack to a pack and a half a day each. I had been smoking for 4 years, her for 2 years. When we tried to quit, we would bicker, both be delusionally angry, it would get bad. It nearly destroyed our relationship a few times. So, we kept smoking. We tried a few times.
Then one time I came up with a plan. We switched to oral tobacco (snus - spitless and smokeless tobacco) or dip for 2 weeks. everytime we'd crave a cigarette, we'd have a snus or a dip. After a while, the addiction reassociated. Then we quit that, after tapering a bit. On the 3rd day of widthdrawl, we took 200ug of LSD each.

We had a beauitiful experiance, and neither one of us had another cigarette craving ever again. we didn't have to tell ourselves not to to push extreme self control to not smoke a cigarette or use tobacco when we saw people smoke, etc. simply no desire or cravings. and even better, we experianced no more widthdrawl effects or irritability.

it worked like a charm. She still does not smoke, about a year ago I picked it back up again. I am currently in the process of quitting again. [i have not had a cigarette in 8 days! woooo!]

I also saw Morninggloryseed's post about ibogaine and helping him quit heroin or whatever, and I have friends with similar stories.

So which of you has used these as a tool? And how'd it work?
 
what none of you use these as a tool?!

okok i broke the rules moderator i am sorry please don't hurt me i wont do it again i promise
 
Interesting story, I'm very minor within this situation, i've been smoking fully for nearly a year and never tried any psychedelic's yet. I will try them when i get the chance as i've done A LOT of research on it but haven't came across a situation like this. However I have looked up that it has 'Changed people's views on life' in one way or another, which is what i am most excited about ! Not that I hate my life ofc... but i'd prefer to be a little bit more active and interested in things i suppose aha.

Also would prefer to stop smoking if i can before i get a lot more hooked. I'm at a noobier stage of MDMA at the moment but welcome the advice on everything tbh. Did you feel it changed your opinion on life... or so to speak ?
 
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Interesting story, I'm very minor within this situation, i've been smoking fully for nearly a year and never tried any psychedelic's yet. I will try them when i get the chance as i've done A LOT of research on it but haven't came across a situation like this. However I have looked up that it has 'Changed people's views on life' in one way or another, which is what i am most excited about ! Not that I hate my life ofc... but i'd prefer to be a little bit more active and interested in things i suppose aha.

Also would prefer to stop smoking if i can before i get a lot more hooked. I'm at a noobier stage of MDMA at the moment but welcome the advice on everything tbh. Did you feel it changed your opinion on life... or so to speak ?
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absolutely i have never been the same ;)

i found mdma more shallow though amazing the first time I tried it. and yeah, fuck cigarettes!! 8 days without them!! woo!
 
I gave up cigarettes on LSD as well. I looked at what was in my hand and I thought to myself "what the hell is this thing? is it really doing anything for me? I have only had the very occational one when I am drunk, which is once every couple of months. No cravings when coming off of it cold turkey, which is not what I expected.

I have just started dipping my toes into some salvia extract I got online, (I got a gram of 20x and a gram of 100x) and after 3 very strange experiences where nearly nothing noticable happened, I have pretty much lost the craving to go and smoke cones of any particular herb, like pot, damiana, mugwort, calea ect. I don't have a clue how this salvia has done it, but I think it completely changed my outlook on life, all without getting me high at all. Fascinating plant so far.
 
I want to re-explore salvia sometime, back when I used to try it I was young and just trying to get a buzz. Now that I've got a more spiritual view of these plants, I want to give it a go again.

also not sure your salvia is real - never heard of 100x and even 20x should confuse the bajeezus out of you.
 
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You might want to try salvia bucally as quid or tincture or in tea (probably also best absorbed bucally), I heard it is less of a mindfuck that way and more like a proper spiritual teaching.
Although I have not tried that myself.
 
^^^ Salvia quid sounds incredibly interesting from what I've read, tho iv heard it is tricky to get an extract to absorb bucally. I will probably attempt to make some kind of tincture from a small amount of the 100x I have.

By dipping my toes I meant I have started of from very small doses. The first time no more than a few granules, the second probably like a quarter cone, and the third was a little bit more than a half a cone.
On the third attempt there was a thunderstorm cranking and while I was preparing with a bit of meditation the storm seemed to react to my thought structure. When I smoked the cone that was mixed with damiana and calea, I focused on the candle flame in front of me and all I felt was an intense self awareness, I could feel all of my bones, how my posture was set up(I was cross legged half lotus) and how my energy was mixing with the energy around me. This slowly faded after 3 or 4 mins and I was left with a weird feeling of contentment. I felt satisfied with the experiment even tho I didn't get anything like the breakthrough experiences I have read about. After I came back the thunder storm seemed to calm right down for some strange reason, not sure how or why they could be possibly connected tho.
 
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I myself never intentionally take a psychedelic with the intent of using it as medicine or trying to use it for healing. That's not to say I don't use psychedelics in a medicinal fashion, because I have indeed gained valuable insight about myself, the world, and my place within it, as well as having experienced seriously powerful healing. On the contrary, I think psychedelics are incredibly valuable for their ability to enhance therapy, whether that therapy is self-directed or externally-directed, and I decry their legal status, as it greatly restricts the number of people that can experience the power inherent in such chemicals.

So instead of intentionally focusing on a specific goal or psychological flaw/injury that I wish to heal, I go into trips with my mind open but blank, sort of like practicing the Buddhist technique of clearing ones mind and dismissing all thoughts other than simple mindful contemplation as they arise. Then, whatever work is to be done, if any, will be selected by my subconscious, and the process of using a psychedelic as 'a tool, not a toy' begins. If there isn't anything that springs to mind during this period then I assume that I am not yet ready to confront whatever issues do exist, and thus more work on that subject should be done after returning to baseline. This sobriety-based effort can then unconsciously 'prime the pump' for my next trip.

There's no right or wrong way to use psychedelics. Even people who use them solely for their recreational purposes aren't committing a mistake, though they are likely missing out on a lot of the potential held within these compounds. And so if some people do to into a trip with a specific conscious goal in mind, that's wonderful, I'm happy that works for them! For myself, going into a trip with a specific intent actually makes it *less* likely that any work will be done on that subject, because by concentrating too hard on the goal I will invariably lose my 'center' (the mindful state mentioned earlier) and probably will become distracted.

EDIT: To elaborate on the concept of mindfulness and being 'centered', think of it like this: the state of being centered for me is identical to that practiced in Mahayana Buddhism, where during meditation you attempt to completely clear your mind. Invariably thoughts will arise; the technique is in dismissing them without prejudice. And so if I were to go into an attempt at healing via a psychedelic, the conscious idea of 'I wish to work on issue X' is a thought, and thus I must discard it without happiness or anger, or other distracting emotions.

Different strokes for different folks, for sure. But there is not an iota of doubt that psychedelics can be powerfully good medicine!
 
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^^^Same here, I use a method that is very similar.
I don't go into it for the specific intent of healing, for that would be saying that I am damaged and I don't believe that I am.
I mainly go into it with the intent of learning, mind expansion and fine tuning my perceptions of the "outside" and "inside" world. I suppose that could be called healing if my previous perceptions were unhealthy.
They are very powerful multi-purpose tools and I think they have just as many purposes as there are intents guiding the perception of the altered state.
It has all to do with the way you use it.
 
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I broke the addictive potential of nicotine with 2c-e on day 3 of withdrawal...today (years later) I can smoke cigarettes on and off. there is no craving. it's like eating apples. :)


btw: nowadays the main purpose for my use of psychedelics/empathogens is as a psychological tool. I hope that one day I will be able to use those tools in therapy - not as a client but as a therapist.
yesterday I gave a presentation on MDMA and PTSD in a clinical psychology course. feedback was only positive. the evidence and theoretical foundation (especially on the topic of MDMA/PTSD) is already too striking to ignore or marginalize. (if anyone needs material: feel free to ask!)
don't give up fellow 'academic psychonauts': we will win this game. it's a matter of time.
 
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^^^ Salvia quid sounds incredibly interesting from what I've read, tho iv heard it is tricky to get an extract to absorb bucally. I will probably attempt to make some kind of tincture from a small amount of the 100x I have.
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Why not try to make a HPBCD complex with purified (i.e. not crude) extract? That's probably what I would do...
 
Theoretically

- Get a salvia tincture or solution, actually I'm not quite sure what an ideal solvent would be (there is another thread running on that concurrently). You could make it yourself by letting an extract soak in the solvent for a while before filtering it.
- Then add an excess of HPBCD to it, obviously the solvent needs to be able to dissolve that so check it first.
- Apply ultrasonic waves with a vortexer from a lab or a modern electrical toothbrush that can go the extra mile.
 
Definitely all sounds attainable, possible and highly desirable. I will do some research into the appropriate solvent.
Long time fan btw
 
Deinonychus said:
I myself never intentionally take a psychedelic with the intent of using it as medicine or trying to use it for healing. That's not to say I don't use psychedelics in a medicinal fashion, because I have indeed gained valuable insight about myself, the world, and my place within it, as well as having experienced seriously powerful healing. On the contrary, I think psychedelics are incredibly valuable for their ability to enhance therapy, whether that therapy is self-directed or externally-directed, and I decry their legal status, as it greatly restricts the number of people that can experience the power inherent in such chemicals.

So instead of intentionally focusing on a specific goal or psychological flaw/injury that I wish to heal, I go into trips with my mind open but blank, sort of like practicing the Buddhist technique of clearing ones mind and dismissing all thoughts other than simple mindful contemplation as they arise. Then, whatever work is to be done, if any, will be selected by my subconscious, and the process of using a psychedelic as 'a tool, not a toy' begins. If there isn't anything that springs to mind during this period then I assume that I am not yet ready to confront whatever issues do exist, and thus more work on that subject should be done after returning to baseline. This sobriety-based effort can then unconsciously 'prime the pump' for my next trip.

There's no right or wrong way to use psychedelics. Even people who use them solely for their recreational purposes aren't committing a mistake, though they are likely missing out on a lot of the potential held within these compounds. And so if some people do to into a trip with a specific conscious goal in mind, that's wonderful, I'm happy that works for them! For myself, going into a trip with a specific intent actually makes it *less* likely that any work will be done on that subject, because by concentrating too hard on the goal I will invariably lose my 'center' (the mindful state mentioned earlier) and probably will become distracted.

EDIT: To elaborate on the concept of mindfulness and being 'centered', think of it like this: the state of being centered for me is identical to that practiced in Mahayana Buddhism, where during meditation you attempt to completely clear your mind. Invariably thoughts will arise; the technique is in dismissing them without prejudice. And so if I were to go into an attempt at healing via a psychedelic, the conscious idea of 'I wish to work on issue X' is a thought, and thus I must discard it without happiness or anger, or other distracting emotions.

Different strokes for different folks, for sure. But there is not an iota of doubt that psychedelics can be powerfully good medicine!
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I hear you, this is similar to the fashion in which I use psychedelics. To clarify, when I used them to quit smoking, I did not spend the trip meditating over or even thinking about cigarettes or not being a smoker, simply used the chemical to be reborn as a nonsmoker so to speak... had a beautiful experience full of all sorts of insights and revelations and giggles and such and came out the other end with my intention having worked. I always set an intention, as these tools I see almost as a bungee jump from point A to point B... "I am at point A... but I need to be at point B.... but theres a giant canyon in between and I cannot figure out how to get across it'd take so long" and then going into the trip with the intention, even if you do not focus on it for very much of the experience, just the intent tends to have you at point B.

As far as recreation use goes, if used in moderation this is fine but to be honest recreational use I did it and kind of lost my footing and ended up going (hopefully) temporarily insane.
 
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johannes kreisler said:
I broke the addictive potential of nicotine with 2c-e on day 3 of withdrawal...today (years later) I can smoke cigarettes on and off. there is no craving. it's like eating apples. :)
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YES!! this is what I am talking about. its a magical cure to nicotine widthdrawl!! glad to hear you say that as after a year and a half of quitting i became addicted again for almost an entire year, and am in the process of quitting again and am going the same route..
 
Psychedelics work for me on a lot of levels, by far the majority of my trips were either purely recreational (accepting psychological changes or advances as epiphenomena) or for the entire experience. But there have been those moments when I felt like I could really use psychedelic therapy and the times I did them much more seriously were sparse and special.
Often during times of great turmoil when I felt like a lot of things were changing in my life, tripping helped me to be more plastic and dynamic.
I tripped purely recreationally the most when I was a bit younger, my life had not fallen apart yet and I was generally more resilient and able to get away with dosing high and frequently without having transparent intentions of functionality.

The time I reported on in my previous post was unusual in the sense that it felt more pragmatic than I ever applied psychedelics: I did it mostly to alleviate the buildup of thoughts and emotions that I often absorb faster than that I can process them, and the low dose of LSD did exactly that. I was able to have a catharsis and to feel relieved for a while.

My most recent trip may have been on my birthday, on bicycle day of this year and it was with 4-HO-DMT. I've felt like I am due a deep and transformative experience for a long time, maybe even on the level of oral DMT or iboga... but in any case it felt right to explore 4-HO-DMT and I ended up facing my own mortality, entirely exposed like an infant, ultimately sobbing "ok, then" accepting that all things come to an end. It was a great thing to give myself on my birthday and it gave me some general emotional and spiritual relief, but was not transformative.
For the time being I am unable to trip because of medication that would interfere (though I might try certain compounds that may apparently be exceptions). I don't know when I will be able to or when I will be ready, but stories like MGS are writing recently inspire me to wipe the slate clean.
 
All drugs are tools. I use coffee and 5-10mg amphetamine for writing, once a month or so I take a swig of my friends whisky for warmth, or to get me off my huge cloud and just chill (I cannot just 'chill' very effectively post iboga). Funny because pre-iboga, I could not tolerate any alcohol...the buzz was bad and the comedown was worse...now my body seems to process it effectively.

Uh....... maybe cannabis isn't a tool, that is mostly recreational thing...even the psychedelic...whether just taking for a Friday night with Lococo...or something a little more serious...are all tools.

PS Solipsis...don't know what it is but the psilocin is SERIOUSLY GODLY material. Every time I take it, something VERY magical, spiritual, or insight-giving happens you guys have no idea. Maybe it is just where I am at in life but naww, psilocin is the best I think I like it more than DMT.
 
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