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Nobody has freewill.

What is your solution for/to the criminally insane problem?

Freedom is too dangerous for the public, including you and I.

Regards
DL
Freedom is only dangerous as a result of us being unconscious. If we were to collectively raise our consciousness and expand our awareness we would naturally be more inclined to do the more ethical thing and have a better idea of what is the best possible solution for any given scenario or problem. But in todays society, people are generally unaware of themselves and are divided within themselves. And that leads to low consciousness and confusion and suffering and causing pain upon others and not being able to implement one’s will and express ones true authentic nature.

We need to collectively promote that people have the power to heal themselves through their thoughts and intention and their beliefs about themselves and about the world in general. The atheists will have a harder time accepting this. However we can no longer rely on 3 dimensional solutions as they have failed us many times and creates very slow and artificial progress for humanity. Or in other words, at times, it can seem as though we are making progress and that these physical solutions are helping us but in reality, we are being fooled by an illusion of pretense and artificial moral standards.

We need to collectively advocate for authentic living and free expression of emotion without judgement. People who are psychotic are just people with traumas and repressed emotions from childhood. The priority must be to find a way to help them not feel alienated or more alone and helpless than they already feel. That is what mental hospitals do is put them in environments which completely go against their healing process and perpetuates it instead. The hospitals create such an environment that makes them feel more shame and hopelessness about their situation instead of empowering them and enlightening them. It makes no sense and it is a giant fault of man and man will suffer the consequences if he does not see the mental patient as just an equal human being who has had certain experiences. As a society we have to collectively find methods to resolve those traumas that is causing these major issues in their mind and we have to have more understanding and compassion towards their situation and try to look at things through their perspective without judgement and criticism. We have to see them as equal and we need to accommodate their reality and provide safety and security and connection for them. Restraining them in places like these is more so for our safety and security because we are a selfish and hopeless species. That would be an example of pretense and artificial progress as I was saying in my last paragraph. They have convinced themselves that they are doing the right thing by placing them in these hospitals but they don’t really care about healing them they just want to manage and control them like animals. No different than what the governments do on larger scales.

We would have to put aside our judgements and fears towards them and look at them through the lens of objectivity which is to say without placing the label of “crazy” or “dangerous” or “schizophrenic” on them. These are just words that reflect our limited understanding of them from our outside perspective and it actually does more damage than good. We need to see them more as people who have just had certain experiences in their lives that caused them to suppress themselves and not let their true selves out. And we need to have a collective attitude of compassion and maturity towards their situation instead of demonizing and punishing them.

But the most important thing that we as a society need to do in order to resolve these issues is to realize that we are god and we have power to change our circumstances and to heal ourselves. We have the ability to control our reality and once we realize that and apply it, we cannot be affected by 3 dimensional matter because we become the lord over it.
 
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I don't think we can know whether we have free will or not.
I'd like to think I have at least some free will, but how can I know for sure that I haven't been preset to think that?
 
I don't think we can know whether we have free will or not.
I'd like to think I have at least some free will, but how can I know for sure that I haven't been preset to think that?
Well I say you have no freewill. I say nobody does. So is that me exercising my freewill? By saying that.... Could I have said otherwise? Do I have freewill and did I use my freewill to say that I don't have freewill?
 
So I think we exist in this eternal moment in a middle point between determinism and freewill..

Could determinism be what we determine to do?
Predeterminism is everything that we did do we had to do. Everything that we are doing we must be doing. And everything that we will do we must do. That's the bottom line.... Now... if none of that is true then we didn't have to do what we did. And so on and so forth. Badda bing badda boom. That's it. End of discussion....
 
Well I say you have no freewill. I say nobody does. So is that me exercising my freewill? By saying that.... Could I have said otherwise? Do I have freewill and did I use my freewill to say that I don't have freewill?
I think I have some freewill, because I stopped to consider my response to your statement. I thought this way, then that way...
I dunno.

Albuquerque banana hammock?

See, that was random. Or was it?
 
In some ways, you are correct. In other ways, you are demonstrably wrong.

I like to say we have a limited free will. That limit being nature and physics.

I cannot will to fly and expect to do so. At least not intelligently.

I have a little test that demonstrates to you that you have a free will, should you care to take it.

All you need do is give up your free will to mine.

It askes that, --- if you choose to, --- to reply to this post starting with the letter "I".

If you can give up your will as I ask, it demonstrates that you have one.

If you choose to begin your reply some other way, you will note that it is still you demonstrating your free will.

The test is a proof of concept of a limited free will, --- either way.

Regards
DL
The bottom line is that we can't change the future any more so than we can change the past. Nobody can dispute that. That is provable.... LOL
 
Exactly. That is exactly what we need to be asking.
But I can (to some degree) change the future.
When I was deep in serious addiction to alcohol and other drugs I knew what every tomorrow would look like. It was depressingly predictable.
But if I got busted and went to jail, everything changed and I had a choice: plead for rehab or just get out of jail quick and go back to the same ol.
I usually opted for rehab and my life always changed significantly--- mostly for the better.
 
But I can (to some degree) change the future.
When I was deep in serious addiction to alcohol and other drugs I knew what every tomorrow would look like. It was depressingly predictable.
But if I got busted and went to jail, everything changed and I had a choice: plead for rehab or just get out of jail quick and go back to the same ol.
I usually opted for rehab and my life always changed significantly--- mostly for the better.
Predeterminism means all choices were predetermined to be chosen. Which means anything anybody ever chose to do, they had to choose to do. Whether or not it exists or not is irrelevant upon further inspection. It is fleeting. No point either way. That means nihilism is true to everyone.
 
Predeterminism means all choices were predetermined to be chosen. Which means anything anybody ever chose to do, they had to choose to do. Whether or not it exists or not is irrelevant upon further inspection. It is fleeting. No point either way. That means nihilism is true to everyone.
But dammit getting busted was random bad luck, sooo...
 
I don't think we can know whether we have free will or not.
I'd like to think I have at least some free will, but how can I know for sure that I haven't been preset to think that?
Go do something totally crazy and fucked up for no reason. Even if you think that was predetermined, I’m pretty sure that you would regret doing it and wish you could have done something different. That’s how you know you have will. Because you know deep down that you had the choice to fuck up your life or not fuck up your life.

People have the choice to become anything they want in life. They can be something positive like a healer or a helper or they can be a drug addict or something. All of us are quite aware of the fact that if we put enough effort into something, we can eventually achieve it and potentially fulfill our dreams. And if we choose to be lazy and non responsive and self destructive, we suffer major consequences. Are we gonna sit here and say that the people who are drug addicts and homeless are really there because they were predetermined to be ther?? That is a very disempowering state of mind and I hope you realize the fault in that logic.

Things only seem predetermined because we as humans have adopted a deterministic mentality and you have been influenced by that mentality and see it all around you in varying behaviors all the time. People doing drugs and arguing with eachother and having societal conflicts that don’t reach any resolution. As well as the more major behaviors like rape and murder. These things are some of the reasons why people think our world is set in stone and there’s nothing we can do about it. But if we had a mentality of freedom and of power and of novelty, we would project that onto the world instead and create a new and better reality for ourselves where we don’t fall into addictions or destructive thought patterns or harmful behaviors.

You are only projecting your own deterministic mentality onto the greater universe and so as a result, the greater universe appears deterministic to you and mirrors back to you what you have in your mind. And again you were influenced by the secular and naturalistic frames of references that were given to you by the thought leaders of the 3 dimensional physical world. They are mislead and I wouldn’t place my whole reality on those findings if I were you.
 
Go do something totally crazy and fucked up for no reason. Even if you think that was predetermined, I’m pretty sure that you would regret doing it and wish you could have done something different. That’s how you know you have will. Because you know deep down that you had the choice to fuck up your life or not fuck up your life.

People have the choice to become anything they want in life. They can be something positive like a healer or a helper or they can be a drug addict or something. All of us are quite aware of the fact that if we put enough effort into something, we can eventually achieve it and potentially fulfill our dreams. And if we choose to be lazy and non responsive and self destructive, we suffer major consequences. Are we gonna sit here and say that the people who are drug addicts and homeless are really there because they were predetermined to be ther?? That is a very disempowering state of mind and I hope you realize the fault in that logic.

Things only seem predetermined because we as humans have adopted a deterministic mentality and you have been influenced by that mentality and see it all around you in varying behaviors all the time. People doing drugs and arguing with eachother and having societal conflicts that don’t reach any resolution. As well as the more major behaviors like rape and murder. These things are some of the reasons why people think our world is set in stone and there’s nothing we can do about it. But if we had a mentality of freedom and of power and of novelty, we would project that onto the world instead and create a new and better reality for ourselves where we don’t fall into addictions or destructive thought patterns or harmful behaviors.

You are only projecting your own deterministic mentality onto the greater universe and so as a result, the greater universe appears deterministic to you and mirrors back to you what you have in your mind. And again you were influenced by the secular and naturalistic frames of references that were given to you by the thought leaders of the 3 dimensional physical world. They are mislead and I wouldn’t place my whole reality on those findings if I were you.
Wow, you are so bloody right mate. Love the way you think. It's totally fucking true, the mind Is a powerful tool and if we want we can bend the universe to act on our side and change situations to our advantage. This is the best thing I've read in a while. Cheers man, thx for that.
nzn
 
So the future is open ended based on your option select..

But the determinism is that you will always choose something based on affinity for doing that said thing.

Being high at things.. your level of attachment to things

Anything in the past you HAD to do.. necessarily.
 
I don't think it's an illusion. I think people know it doesn't exist but they pretend like they believe in it so they don't sound and look crazy. They think they'd sound crazy for believing that they don't have control of their body. But deep down they know they have no control.
If they're pretending, they have no choice in that either.

In truth, people find the notion of not having free will scary. Or that it devalues achievement or makes everything pointless. And people genuinely believe they experience it.

I agree that free will doesn't exist. But I still treat others as if it does, as if my actions can somehow shape their behaviour. Because even if I'm not choosing my actions, they seemingly do shape what happens next. Something causal happens but it's got nothing to do with my conscious choosing. But it still happens.
 
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