• HEALTH & RECOVERY
    Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules Thread Directory 1 Thread Directory 2
    Mindfulness Links Addiction & Mind
    Sober Living Partner Program (SLiPP)
  • H&R Moderators: VerbalTruist

No More Sugar.

Shimmer.Fade said:
We DO need carbohydrates, we DO NOT need synthesized sugars. Please make the difference. I would not recommend that anyone cut out carbs completely from their diet for longer than a few days personally. I would also not pursue such a radical diet without first consulting with experts in the field.

I do agree the food pyramid perhaps overdoes it, but the fact of the matter is you NEED, depending on the person, a certain amount of carbs. It is true some need less than others, but ALL HUMANS need carbs to live.

Do you know what ketoacidosis is? It is a ketogenic state that your body goes into during hunger periods in order to cover the depleted carb reserves in your body. Naturally your body's largest stores of energy come from fat, so in the case of not eating carbs you burn through your carb reserves quite quickly (I think about 48-72hrs if fasting, longer in this case because you have some kcal coming in). The keton bodies are not only acidic, but also have their own little negative side effects. You also start losing lots of water weight at the beginning because the kidneys try to adjust and compensate for the metabolic acidosis.

Moreover, ask yourself why do humans have multiple specific carbohydrate receptors in our duodenum, why do we have insulin, why do we have glucagon, how does this system actually work? Does a healthy person's blood sugar actually raise that much after ingesting carbs? Why do we do glycogenesis to have energy stores of a substance called glycogen, how does it function, and what is its purpose. Why does glycogenolyse and then gluconeogensis occur. Which organs absolutely, 100% NEED glucose in order to function. Why during resorption in the proximal tubulus system of the kidneys do we resorb nearly 100% of the glucose that gets past the glomerular filtration (except when it raises above 10mmol/L..but that is another topic).

This is stuff I am listing just off the top of my head, and when any of these systems gets out of balance it then taxes other systems which are striving to get back to the physiological balance. This isn't meant to be condescending, and hopefully can serve as a platform for you to learn more about carbohydrate metabolism.

Maybe your experiences are positive, but you yourself in your first post, "I'm sure you've heard the idea before, but I'm like, totally serious this time. ", indicates to me that you have been eating more carbs in the past 2 years than you let on. I feel like encouraging such an extreme diet without being an expert, or having a deeper understanding of the human body is irresponsible and dangerous.
Click to expand...

Ketosis and ketoacidosis are not the same thing. ketoacidosis is usually associated with hyperglycemea in people with type 1 diabetes. Healthy people on carb restriction do not have negative effects from being in ketosis, it is actually beneficial for a lot of things. I myself eat basically paleo and am happy not eating any starches and sugars besides some fruit and vegetables. People have survived without grains for tens of thousands of years and are genetically adapted to a diet without large amonts of carbohydrates. You should watch the documentary `Fat Head`.
 
Sorry I confused the two. Carb restricted sure, but my initial argument was against a carb FREE diet which the OP was suggesting as a good idea. There is a very big difference between a high fat/med protein/low carb diet, and a diet without carbohydrates. Maybe some people can live off of eating paleo, but with my level of activity I would not be one of them.
 
Carb free is a rubbish idea, end up so fatigued and feeling fucked.
 
@SF I´m an intermediate level strength trainee and can full ROM squat 160 kilo´s for a set of five on this diet, I also do HIIT-training once or twice a week. Carbs surely do help with recovery but you can still make gains without them. You should watch the movie if you're interested.

@ColtDan Eating paleo you still eat small amounts of carbs, it is just not your primary source of energy anymore. It does take some adjustment before you're used to eating this way, but I love it.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply paleo is carb free, I should have put in a paragraph there to make it more clear.

I could see that kind of a diet actually being pretty decent for strength training. I am very into mountain biking (all mountain riding), and per ride (6 of 7 days a week when I have time) I probably burn around 1,000kcal. It is pretty hardcore cardio, and is a great of a workout for legs, butt, back, hands, arms, shoulders, and stomach to a lesser extent. I also learn about 4-6 hours per day right now. While burning this much energy I need a fairly efficient form of energy replenishment, and carbs are pretty much the only answer to this kind of activity. I just eat a ton of fresh meat and vegetables with whatever carb source that tastes best with said meat and vegetable. I don't really skimp on my fats too much either, I just try to eat healthy unsaturated ones that are more prone to the HDL side of things.
 
^ haha. Sucker.

About the carb free vs. carbful diet thing going here... It so much depends on the person and their body. For me, I am unusually sensitive to carbs, and on top of that I have rheumatoid arthritis, which is triggered by eating simple carbohydrates, so I stay away from them. They also mess with my mental clarity and my motivation. So I stay away.

Other people who are not so sensitive may like to incorporate them in their diet, and it's good for them. There isn't one way that is good for all. We know that.
 
Extra take sugar is cause dangerous for your health. it is may be cause of gating the weight so if you want to lose the weight then you must avoid the sugar.
 
im a healthy weight but sugar triggers binge eating for me, was eating a quite a lot fruit but completely stopped as it made me binge eat in the evenings. been getting all the nutrition from salad and vegetables instead and havent noticed any difference, apart from a slight lack of energy from not eating bananas, but it must have been all the sugar boosting me up and then causing me to crash. this week ive cut out as much sugar as i can and my appetite has been ALOT more stable, lost weight, more stable energy levels
 
I want to take a plan like this on. Along with drugs for the past few years, I've been not eating well at all, too often I find myself eating a lot of sugary junk food. It's pathetic, really, I feel like I want to eat something sweet, end up eating way too much at once and then have a headache and stomachache for 2 hours afterwards, but then a couple days later it happens again and I know what the result will be but do it anyways.

Ideally, I'd like to avoid all clear examples of high sugar food in life period. I'm not aiming to get too crazy about it, like saying - hey barbeque sauce has sugar in it I'll not use that - but the stuff like pop, cookies, muffins, candy, etc. I'd like to cut it out entirely.

I think I ought to get started on it right away, I'm coming off a long opiate habit and the key to succeeding there is to combine it with major lifestyle changes I think. And I know it makes a huge difference, I used to be really good and made sure the majority of the carbs I consumed were from good sources, like fruits/vegetables, oats, whole wheat, things like that. Makes you feel much better.

People focus so much on fat, but I think by far the one diet change that would provide the greatest health benefit beyond any doubt for most people - would be to greatly reduce sugar consumption. I've read that the only time sugar is really useful is during very strenuous physical activity when your body needs immediate energy.

So we'll see how this goes, tonight I threw a box of double stuff oreos and chocolate chip muffins I had in the garbage. I'm eating "sugar" snap peas instead right now to satisfy my sweet tooth lol.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top