No effects with 5k test count...

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Genetic Freak said:
I eagerly await a response from Voxide...!!!
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There's nothing to respond to. At least nothing worthwhile anyway. This thread is a big bunch of fuckery. OP wasn't ready for steroids and powerclean likes making excuses for his terrible diet.

That's about it. Nothing to see here.
 
Voxide said:
There's nothing to respond to. At least nothing worthwhile anyway. This thread is a big bunch of fuckery. OP wasn't ready for steroids and powerclean likes making excuses for his terrible diet.

That's about it. Nothing to see here.
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bro its not even about results. you dont feel anything, nothing happens. like sterile oil or injecting water. but when i did low dose of prop everything happens.
this dude is on huge amounts of test you thing he should atleast feel shitty or agressive or more pump or somethin? but ima not here to argue.

dud just run the prop and then get it tested to see if its legit.
 
Voxide said:
There's nothing to respond to. At least nothing worthwhile anyway. This thread is a big bunch of fuckery. OP wasn't ready for steroids and powerclean likes making excuses for his terrible diet.

That's about it. Nothing to see here.
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A festive response Voxide.. lol



you dont feel anything, nothing happens. like sterile oil or injecting water. but when i did low dose of prop everything happens.

From the above statement, I might conclude you possibly were injecting sterile oil or water, & that the Propionate might have been legit..


Test is test saying is wrong cause the ester comes before the test

The Testosterone four ring structure or (steran nucleus) is exactly the same.... The esters attached to the D ring of the testosterone molecule are all made of the same basic elements, Carbon Hydrogen and Oxygen. Just about the only difference is the length of the ester in terms of the number of carbon atoms it contains. The carbon atoms form the 'backbone' of the ester with little hydrogen atoms poking off it, A basic Hydrocarbon structure. The carboxylic acid is added to the alcohol group on the testosterone molecule to form a bond. This bond between the testosterone molecule and the acid is called an ester bond so technically when we refer to the "ester" we are referring to the carboxylic acid part of the molecule.

There are two types of enzymes which can cleave this bond, esterases and hydrolases(sp?) they can remove any type of ester whether it be prop, enanth or cyp. This is because the enzymes target the 'ester bond' so regardless of how long the carboxylic acid group is or its composition the bond is the same for each ester of testosterone. I don't know how correct my assumption is because I couldn't find much research on the matter but what I assume is that this is why time to reach the peak concentration of testosterone in the blood is the same regardless of ester length. The length of the ester doesn't determine the speed at which the ester is cleaved off the testosterone molecule but influences its solubility, so longer esters mean that it takes longer for the molecule to get absorbed into the blood stream where it can be exposed to the enzymes which remove the ester.
 
Genetic Freak said:
A festive response Voxide.. lol



you dont feel anything, nothing happens. like sterile oil or injecting water. but when i did low dose of prop everything happens.

From the above statement, I might conclude you possibly were injecting sterile oil or water, & that the Propionate might have been legit..


Test is test saying is wrong cause the ester comes before the test

The Testosterone four ring structure or (steran nucleus) is exactly the same.... The esters attached to the D ring of the testosterone molecule are all made of the same basic elements, Carbon Hydrogen and Oxygen. Just about the only difference is the length of the ester in terms of the number of carbon atoms it contains. The carbon atoms form the 'backbone' of the ester with little hydrogen atoms poking off it, A basic Hydrocarbon structure. The carboxylic acid is added to the alcohol group on the testosterone molecule to form a bond. This bond between the testosterone molecule and the acid is called an ester bond so technically when we refer to the "ester" we are referring to the carboxylic acid part of the molecule.

There are two types of enzymes which can cleave this bond, esterases and hydrolases(sp?) they can remove any type of ester whether it be prop, enanth or cyp. This is because the enzymes target the 'ester bond' so regardless of how long the carboxylic acid group is or its composition the bond is the same for each ester of testosterone. I don't know how correct my assumption is because I couldn't find much research on the matter but what I assume is that this is why time to reach the peak concentration of testosterone in the blood is the same regardless of ester length. The length of the ester doesn't determine the speed at which the ester is cleaved off the testosterone molecule but influences its solubility, so longer esters mean that it takes longer for the molecule to get absorbed into the blood stream where it can be exposed to the enzymes which remove the ester.
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dude it hard to understand but iam gonna keep it simple. different ester have different atoms witch changes theme as to how they react in the body. like efhedrine and meth only one atom difference but changes the whol thing lol.

and these were from trt the doc human grade pharmacy.

we have discussed on many forums people just dont believe cause it. i guess you gotta experience first hand yourself to understand this issue.

op get some fucking legit test prop and report back to us.
 
powerclean said:
dude it hard to understand but iam gonna keep it simple. different ester have different atoms witch changes theme as to how they react in the body. like efhedrine and meth only one atom difference but changes the whol thing lol.

and these were from trt the doc human grade pharmacy.

we have discussed on many forums people just dont believe cause it. i guess you gotta experience first hand yourself to understand this issue.

op get some fucking legit test prop and report back to us.
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All the ester does is change the half life and how fast or slow it works (is metabolized). Testosterone is Testosterone. Genetic Freak just validated that fact with his response.
 
powerclean said:
dude it hard to understand but iam gonna keep it simple. different ester have different atoms witch changes theme as to how they react in the body. like efhedrine and meth only one atom difference but changes the whol thing lol.

and these were from trt the doc human grade pharmacy.

we have discussed on many forums people just dont believe cause it. i guess you gotta experience first hand yourself to understand this issue.

op get some fucking legit test prop and report back to us.
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I suggest you do some reading up on what esters attached to testosterone molecules are and what their basic function is.... The testosterone steran nucleus (or four ring structure) does not change, only the ester attached does, it does not effect the testosterone molecule apart from to slow its release into the blood stream...

What you are stating sounds like a load of unsubstantiated rubbish to me. If you were to miss such a crucial enzyme in your body... you'd probably be dead. We don't just have these enzymes so that we can juice up on esterified gear... they do a bunch of other things too.

Also, when an ester is treated with aqueous acid (the blood stream) and heat it is converted into a carboxylic acid and free hormone by hydrolysis (splitting on reaction with water).
 
Genetic Freak said:
I suggest you do some reading up on what esters attached to testosterone molecules are and what their basic function is.... The testosterone steran nucleus (or four ring structure) does not change, only the ester attached does, it does not effect the testosterone molecule apart from to slow its release into the blood stream...

What you are stating sounds like a load of unsubstantiated rubbish to me. If you were to miss such a crucial enzyme in your body... you'd probably be dead. We don't just have these enzymes so that we can juice up on esterified gear... they do a bunch of other things too.

Also, when an ester is treated with aqueous acid (the blood stream) and heat it is converted into a carboxylic acid and free hormone by hydrolysis (splitting on reaction with water).
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lol bro i know it does not change the test. but ester comes before the test , so how the ester behaves determines the full effectiveness of test. you know how some people say they get less bloated on e then cyp or prop is best for cutting, or they respond better to cyp then e. it not bullshit or all in there head it true there body reacts differect to different esters,thus more estrogen and dht, if the ester does not release properly it will cause large fluctuations and yeah i prob do have some other issues from the lack of enzyme thus why maybe why i need to use test in the first place lol/digestive problems ect. you know some people lack cyp2d6 a major liver enzyme and many other stuff but there still alive.

maybe thats not it, cause when i first shot up test i experienced liver and kidney ach first 2 to 3 weeks and after that never felt anything like injecting water. maybe the body built anti bodies to the ester/solvents so it get rids of it as soon as possable before it can release.

had one guy tell me that he had to take cyp eod sub q cause intra muscular shut him down but it did not raise levels normal or high. sub q releases faster so before the body can get rid of it the ester is estrified?


this shit is very complicated what ever the reason the fact is i and 12 other people and many more dont repond to certain esters and they were from the doc.

the problem is that members refuse to believe this thus no recognization comes to this condition.
 
powerclean said:
lol bro i know it does not change the test. but ester comes before the test , so how the ester behaves determines the full effectiveness of test. you know how some people say they get less bloated on e then cyp or prop is best for cutting, or they respond better to cyp then e. it not bullshit or all in there head it true there body reacts differect to different esters,thus more estrogen and dht, if the ester does not release properly it will cause large fluctuations and yeah i prob do have some other issues from the lack of enzyme thus why maybe why i need to use test in the first place lol/digestive problems ect. you know some people lack cyp2d6 a major liver enzyme and many other stuff but there still alive.

maybe thats not it, cause when i first shot up test i experienced liver and kidney ach first 2 to 3 weeks and after that never felt anything like injecting water. maybe the body built anti bodies to the ester/solvents so it get rids of it as soon as possable before it can release.

had one guy tell me that he had to take cyp eod sub q cause intra muscular shut him down but it did not raise levels normal or high. sub q releases faster so before the body can get rid of it the ester is estrified?
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some people say they get less bloated on e then cyp or prop is best for cutting, or they respond better to cyp then e

All its doing with the faster releasing ester is becoming biologically active in the blood stream quicker and at a higher concentration rate than the slower ester...

maybe the body built anti bodies to the ester/solvents so it get rids of it as soon as possable before it can release

had one guy tell me that he had to take cyp eod sub q cause intra muscular shut him down but it did not raise levels normal or high. sub q releases faster so before the body can get rid of it the ester is estrified?


BRO-SCIENCE BEATS A DEGREE IN BIOCHEMISTRY & PHARMACOLOGY ANY DAY........ ....... I give up...!!!!!

Regards the OP's original test results:
Test results in US Mass Concentration ranges are off the scale so I have no idea what he's complaining about. If he had tests using Propionate & then Cypionate showing a discrepancy at the same level of dose & conditions at time of administration, there could be some basis for further research on his theory.
 
Genetic Freak said:
BRO-SCIENCE BEATS A DEGREE IN BIOCHEMISTRY & PHARMACOLOGY ANY DAY........ ....... I give up.
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woooah now. powerclean has a ph.D in anthropology (bro culture specialty), an MD in Brocology, a minor in physical fitness fistpumping, and certificates in tanning and hair styling. I read his thesis titled "gym, tan laundry: the art of being the Best Bro" and it was really informative. though oddly all the citations are "Powerclean MD". hmmm, Idk, he seems to be very knowledgable of broscience though so if I have further questions related to bro-ing ill contact the master.
 
Serotonin101 said:
woooah now. powerclean has a ph.D in anthropology (bro culture specialty), an MD in Brocology, a minor in physical fitness fistpumping, and certificates in tanning and hair styling. I read his thesis titled "gym, tan laundry: the art of being the Best Bro" and it was really informative. though oddly all the citations are "Powerclean MD". hmmm, Idk, he seems to be very knowledgable of broscience though so if I have further questions related to bro-ing ill contact the master.[/


Ian speaking from experience I don't respond period. Why I don't know. You talking out of textbooks. Ian talking about experience.

Open should have stayed on test as some kicks in at week 8 but what gives it away is the prop.

Can you degree explain why on the second day of shot your levels come sky high but most don't feel till like 3 to 4 weeks.


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Any way I don't argue unless scientist figure this shit out.

Thooth pick op get on the prop to see if its legit and prove me wrong.
 
Serotonin101 said:
Your grammar and spelling is as bad as your advice.
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Its fucking auto correct smart ass.
Ian just trying to help the Guy out. Why do you feel the need to disrespect me.

But its all good cause it happens on every forum.

I've been trough hell trying to figure this shit out as to why cyp was not working. And was constantly flamed and told that it BS your not eating its all in your head. So I feel obligated to help people with this condition.
 
And is it gonna kill him to run prop solo. Legit prop. U got better advice? What's your explanation for this?
 
powerclean said:
Serotonin101 said:
woooah now. powerclean has a ph.D in anthropology (bro culture specialty), an MD in Brocology, a minor in physical fitness fistpumping, and certificates in tanning and hair styling. I read his thesis titled "gym, tan laundry: the art of being the Best Bro" and it was really informative. though oddly all the citations are "Powerclean MD". hmmm, Idk, he seems to be very knowledgable of broscience though so if I have further questions related to bro-ing ill contact the master.[/


Iam speaking from experience I don't respond period. Why I don't know. You talking out of textbooks. Iam talking about experience.

Op should have stayed on test as some kicks in at week 8 but what gives it away is the prop.

Can your degree explain why on the second day of shot your levels come sky high but most don't feel till like 3 to 4 weeks.


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Fuckin hell mate you don't know shite..!!!

Do some research....
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cuntball said:
I never get comments about legs when only the guy's calves are visible. He's a natty and calf size is 95% genetics. Post a pic of your own calves. Small calves != small legs.
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lol its true its the angle of the pic. low body fat and angle.
 
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