NMISoc. Capt. H says otherside of HR is Laika horrid place of phrozen seas of swerlz

[muvolution]

it is well below the poverty line. I would move from making $2400/ month right now to making $700-$1500 a month there. That is the only thing that is potentially keeping me from going, although I have several months to decide.

It is hard to gauge whether or not the benefits of moving there and making international contacts will outweigh the massive pay reduction, complete evaporation of my civil liberties, lack of acceptable health care, lack of marijuana (which is a legitimate medication for me), etc...

Like I said, Architecture is a rough profession to be in right now. It is actually the hardest profession in the world to become licenced in - more difficult and more time-consuming than becoming a lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc...
It averages 4 years + 2 years for school, then 3 years of internship/ residency, then a year of taking tests to become certified, for an average of 10 fucking years from deciding to be an architect to actually being one.

I am about 2/3 through the process right now and mostly just looking for a way to get ahead of everyone else. It's realy hard to gauge where the market will move and if the U.S. building industry will bounce back.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If I were in your shoes, there would be no question about it.

I would personally never even care about making international contacts in China.

In Japan? Sure; I have already made a great friend in Japan without ever leaving the states.

 

[amapola]

Like I said, Architecture is a rough profession to be in right now. It is actually the hardest profession in the world to become licenced in - more difficult and more time-consuming than becoming a lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc...
It averages 4 years + 2 years for school, then 3 years of internship/ residency, then a year of taking tests to become certified, for an average of 10 fucking years from deciding to be an architect to actually being one.

Dude I so feel for you. I was in chem eng environmental stream and took a bird sustainable housing materials course with the civil engineers and some architects. The architects were putting in similar levels of learning (obviously not as technical) but when they graduated they still needed to go on and do all the shit you mentioned. I'm still friends with a few now, and they are like starving artists looking for work but they can't just paint or write a song, they need funding to dream up feasible and pretty multimillion dollar buildings

Ironically several civil engineers I know from that course and elsewhere went into the demolition and retrofitting field haha. The worse the infrastructure the more they make

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If you work within architecture, I hope you have joined this movement.

 

[muvolution]

Yeah, Japan would be soooo epic.

I am really torn about it because there is a very god chance everything will keep moving towards China, but I do feel a strong social responsibility to work in the United States- if a new generation of designers and builders doesn't revitalize the industry here, who will?

On the topic of nationality, if I hear the dude with the username MrRoot bitching about the United States in one more fucking thread, I am going to buy a ticket to Finland and shove a flagpole up his ass with an American flag attached to it and officially claim him as property of the U.S.A.

 

[muvolution]

Holy shit, don't even get me started on the 9/11 conspiracy. I know a few people who post in here are from NYC, so I won't get too detailed about it, but it is not only implausible, but impossible that the buildings were not taken down with specially-designed demolition explosives.

I mean, the architect expressly designed them to withstand the impact of a fully-loaded 767, so a 747 would not cause complete catastrophic failure as engineering tolerances in such high-demand structures are usually at least 50% over the design load.

 

[theotherside]

Yeah but the problem with talking about 9/11 is that so many people have loved ones that died, or know someone that knew someone and it offends them to question it...know what I mean? Not to say we can't discuss it but it gets pretty heated...kind of like when I debate a christian and they always say...."what came before the atom/big bang?"...and because the term "god " can be put in as an anwer they think they have me.

 

[amapola]

^I sat in on a lecture by a civil engineer with a master's in the behaviour of buildings on fire and a phd in steel supported structures and extreme heat. He showed us multiple internal collapses the exact same as the world trade center caused by hot burning fires. That being said if it was designed to withstand those temps and didn't then that is no defense.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yeah, Japan would be soooo epic.

I am really torn about it because there is a very god chance everything will keep moving towards China, but I do feel a strong social responsibility to work in the United States- if a new generation of designers and builders doesn't revitalize the industry here, who will?

On the topic of nationality, if I hear the dude with the username MrRoot bitching about the United States in one more fucking thread, I am going to buy a ticket to Finland and shove a flagpole up his ass with an American flag attached to it and officially claim him as property of the U.S.A.

Dude Finland is so retarded, smokeless tobacco is illegal there if I'm not mistaken. Isn't that fucking retarded? Smoking tobacco is the most carcinogenic way to use the damned drug in the first place, why ban smokeless tobacco?

As much as the US does suck at times, I would not want to live in Finland, especially because of the climate.

Holy shit, don't even get me started on the 9/11 conspiracy. I know a few people who post in here are from NYC, so I won't get too detailed about it, but it is not only implausible, but impossible that the buildings were not taken down with specially-designed demolition explosives.

I mean, the architect expressly designed them to withstand the impact of a fully-loaded 737, so a 747 would not cause complete catastrophic failure as engineering tolerances in such high-demand structures are usually at least 50% over the design load.

Agreed, if you show people pictures of the towers exploding, they will say it looks like an explosion. People's instincts should be telling them this, and I think most people don't know how to distinguish what's verifiable just by examining reality, and the fact that the CIA owns all major media in the US should say something to people. An ex-director for the CIA admitted this in a literal sense of the word, not a figurative one.

It's just sad when people get brainwashed by major media. I refuse to watch major media now a days.

You are also correct, the architect who designed the twin towers has explained that in the full length movie from that site.

A condensed version of it is on youtube for anyone who wants to learn more about how the twin towers could not have fallen from one 747 each.

 

[muvolution]

I started my Master's program only a couple years after the incident and in the first class in advanced structures (2nd year) the professor presented all this evidence and had us debate it - several students from NYC walked out on the discussion and lobbied to have him fired.
(thankfully he was not) - it just goes to show how far some people will go to ignore the truth. I am not presenting an alternative or a conspiracy theory, just saying that it doesn't add up and everyone should re-examine it.

Personally, I would be more livid about the whole thing if a friend or relative had died that day.

As most people know, alot of the steel was shipped to a shipyard in New Orleans and used to build the U.S.S. New York - well what had once been an "open" shipyard, especially to engineers and architects was suddenly closed, and all the steel being stored off-site was kept heavily guarded at all times - something most people didn't realize since Katrina and aftermath was going on at the same time.

 

[muvolution]

Oh and some of the gems from that dude include:
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NSFW:

What was the only western country that does have death sentence still in use. I cant seem to remember the name of that country?

It is just way of the God telling you that masturbation is not right. It does not happen when you get married and dont use contraceptives.

Source: The Holy Bible

If you murder someone you get roughly 14 years not depending how many you do murder as the 14 years is actually a life sentence when given but each year you can apply for release from president and the current one has released people doomed for life sentence have got their release when they have done 14 years.

In the matter of fact I could publicly discuss about plans to kill our president and tell the exact plan how to do it and they could not prosecute for anything as our crime law does not have the concept of intention to do something as punishable act. Neither we dont have a concept of conspiracy to commit something.

I can tell you for certain that that last one is absolutely contrary to the E.U. charter that Finland signed.

It is very rare that someone actually gets to me on the interweb, but I just want to reach through the screen and bitch-slap this guy.

 

[ektamine]

^ What a self-righteous twat-waffle 8)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I started my Master's program only a couple years after the incident and in the first class in advanced structures (2nd year) the professor presented all this evidence and had us debate it - several students from NYC walked out on the discussion and lobbied to have him fired.
(thankfully he was not) - it just goes to show how far some people will go to ignore the truth. I am not presenting an alternative or a conspiracy theory, just saying that it doesn't add up and everyone should re-examine it.

Personally, I would be more livid about the whole thing if a friend or relative had died that day.

As most people know, alot of the steel was shipped to a shipyard in New Orleans and used to build the U.S.S. New York - well what had once been an "open" shipyard, especially to engineers and architects was suddenly closed, and all the steel being stored off-site was kept heavily guarded at all times - something most people didn't realize since Katrina and aftermath was going on at the same time.

LOL wow, that's retarded. Have him fired for what, presenting truths and allowing people to speak openly on what their thoughts are?

The students probably had really bad PTSD which prevented them from seeing through the government guided bullshit.

Yeah but the problem with talking about 9/11 is that so many people have loved ones that died, or know someone that knew someone and it offends them to question it...know what I mean? Not to say we can't discuss it but it gets pretty heated...kind of like when I debate a christian and they always say...."what came before the atom/big bang?"...and because the term "god " can be put in as an anwer they think they have me.

Most people who had someone die want the US government to do a real investigation though.

The fact that people died isn't the problem. What most people's problem is, is that they have a false belief about what the US government is.

If people started to realize that the US government has known since 1974 that THC is a cancer curing drug, and that they destroyed any such evidence that was produced and continue to not allow people to research this very subject in the United States, then the whole 9/11 thing seems a lot less "grand" by comparison.

Sure, 2,000 people died on 9/11. Every two days that goes by, is another 2,000 people who died due to tobacco related causes.

Think about how many people die from cancer, it puts a 2,000 death toll into perspective (insofar as that 2,000 is a very small number, and that a number in the millions is a much larger number).

 

[muvolution]

I would have thought it was hard to get PTSD when you watched the whole thing from your mansion in upstate New York, but yeah. I suppose it was possible, but (most of them) were just being self-righteous pricks.
I think the hardest part of going to school there was being one of the only kids on scholarship and for the first time in my life realizing how callous people can be.

I really value Academic Tenure after several incidents like this.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I would have thought it was hard to get PTSD when you watched the whole thing from your mansion in upstate New York, but yeah. I suppose it was possible, but (most of them) were just being self-righteous pricks.
I think the hardest part of going to school there was being one of the only kids on scholarship and for the first time in my life realizing how callous people can be.

I really value Academic Tenure after several incidents like this.

Zing!!!

As someone with PTSD I don't take offense to this, so I approve of your joke.

 

[ektamine]

Most people who had someone die want the US government to do a real investigation though.

The fact that people died isn't the problem. What most people's problem is, is that they have a false belief about what the US government is.

If people started to realize that the US government has known since 1974 that THC is a cancer curing drug, and that they destroyed any such evidence that was produced and continue to not allow people to research this very subject in the United States, then the whole 9/11 thing seems a lot less "grand" by comparison.

Sure, 2,000 people died on 9/11. Every two days that goes by, is another 2,000 people who died due to tobacco related causes.

Think about how many people die from cancer, it puts a 2,000 death toll into perspective (insofar as that 2,000 is a very small number, and that a number in the millions is a much larger number).

Well put, and good points. Especially about the fatality numbers.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Well put, and good points. Especially about the fatality numbers.

Exactly. I expect most people to think "how can I do such a thing", but really, whatever. I think the government's sexual activities with big tobacco companies to be just as atrocious as their complicity of 9/11. It's probably equally as bad IMO; as there will be many more people with cancer who have had to work/live in this area, due to the pulverized building material in the air and atmosphere and environment.

The government allowing and conspiring to have 9/11 take place seems much more plausible if you consider the fact that the US government has a lengthy track record of false flag operations, such as they have done with pearl harbor, as well as the USS Maine.

 

[ektamine]

Exactly. I expect most people to think "how can I do such a thing", but really, whatever.

They probably will, but fuck 'em, they simply cannot/will not think critically. It's very annoying sometimes to be 'smart', having to deal with the vast vast vast majority of people having absolutely zero ability to think independently and critically.

Nothing the US gov't could do would surprise me, other than maybe.... have compassion.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

They probably will, but fuck 'em, they simply cannot/will not think critically. It's very annoying sometimes to be 'smart', having to deal with the vast vast vast majority of people having absolutely zero ability to think independently and critically.

Nothing the US gov't could do would surprise me, other than maybe.... have compassion.

For real though - it can be very frustrating when the majority of people in the US just choose ignorance, as if they have a well functioning mind and just choose not to use it for the better.

 

[muvolution]

well, ya know, ignorance is bliss.

I suppose it also takes a good dose of arrogance to do everything in their power to put down and discredit anyone who has a dissenting viewpoint even though that is the very essence of the American way.