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NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the evidence and anecdotal reports

Hmm i understand what you mean but i have no idea how you could reverse addiction, wich is mostly programmed in the brain because of sensitization, i think the only real option is using NMDA antagonists BEFORE someone starts using drugs, in my experience NMDA antagonists have no effect on my mental addictions.

From my research i think alpha3beta4 could be the most interesting target for this (the receptor ibogaine acts in, including DXM and wellbutrin).
 
will look into that, thnx
and I'll try to grab something that's phrasing it better than I can. Once one stops the behaviors, the reinforcements stop, and the brain *eventually* loses its irrational need for (gambling, drugs, etc), maybe not "loses" as much as "forgets a lot", and that this change is a result of going from normal, to reinforcing the wrong thing, then back to normal.
 
had our first roll after our dxm trials. it was our best ever and I'm sure some of that was due to doing this!

We're wondering how often it should be done? between every roll? after every two rolls?

we usually have a two and a half to three month break in between rolls...
 
had our first roll after our dxm trials. it was our best ever and I'm sure some of that was due to doing this!

We're wondering how often it should be done? between every roll? after every two rolls?

we usually have a two and a half to three month break in between rolls...

I think its time to start writing guides about this regime with experiences in all relevant forums such as the mdma forum, to get this thing really going.
 
This is my first post so hello to everybody, i'm one of us now! :D Really impressive thread. Thanks Medievil and other to share such great infos. I don't understand why effect on tolerance by NMDA antagonists are so less known. I have few addicts in my neighbourhood, and they don't know at all that just DXM can be a fucking help for their w/d (i was happy to tell them the "NDMA story"^^).

I'm interested to kown if some one here tried DXM and tramadol combo for reducing/prevent tramadol tolerance (just 30mg DXM)? This combo without doubt is harmfull at hight doses (serotonin syndrome and so), but can a low dose of DXM like 30mg can prevent tolerance forming?

I'm starting a 2x30mg/day DXM dosing to decrease my tolerance to both codeine, and tramadol, (and perhaps GBL, didn't take this any more, and hope it might increase methylone). I wish i'd known this when i was a GBL "heavy" user. I confess i'm totally exited and don't understand why these infos aren't spread at all in French forum. I apology for English errors, and will come back with news. Hope i will feel my next methylone intake like the first fucking soooo good one. 8)
 
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I don't understand why effect on tolerance by NMDA antagonists are so less known.

I'm working hard to make it more well known, before my thread ppl barely knew about it at all or dismissed, so now i'm looking for help, ppl that can make easy to understand guide's in all subfora so more ppl can try and so hopefully make the use of NMDA antagonists for tolerance more well known.
 
I'm working hard to make it more well known, before my thread ppl barely knew about it at all or dismissed, so now i'm looking for help, ppl that can make easy to understand guide's in all subfora so more ppl can try and so hopefully make the use of NMDA antagonists for tolerance more well known.

IMO nmda antagonists are not effective in everyone so they are not more widely used. The medical community is def aware though.
 
IMO nmda antagonists are not effective in everyone so they are not more widely used. The medical community is def aware though.

They work for nearly everyone, i assume you have anecdotal reports confirming what you are saying? Ive repeadly asked to post too even if it doesnt work, so havent seen amny myself, perhaps you have.
 
Hey MeDieViL,

Really great topic! I'd like to try memantine for tolerance prevention with dexedrine (for my ADD). But I don't know if my psychiatrist will prescribe it to me. What evidences did you show your doctor to get prescribed memantine? Or did you aquire it in some other way?

I'm from the Netherlands by the way! =D

Thanks.

EDIT: By the way this is my first post here, your topic made me sign up. Too bad I can't PM yet.
 
Medievil have got a question to you. Do piracetam block DXM NMDA antagonism like ketamine?
 
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Hey MeDieViL,

Really great topic! I'd like to try memantine for tolerance prevention with dexedrine (for my ADD). But I don't know if my psychiatrist will prescribe it to me. What evidences did you show your doctor to get prescribed memantine? Or did you aquire it in some other way?

I'm from the Netherlands by the way! =D

Thanks.

EDIT: By the way this is my first post here, your topic made me sign up. Too bad I can't PM yet.

I order it online from india as the prescription is way to expensive (nearly 100 euro's).
 
I order it online from india as the prescription is way to expensive (nearly 100 euro's).

Thanks for the reply. I'm considering buying online too, although many people advise against it. What do you think about this? And could you PM me the website you ordered from? :)
 
Im having some major tolerance issues after i ran out of memantine months ago, GBL, AMT, stims, mdma, methylone all barely do anything.

I'm currently on a regime of 600mg nac, low ket bumps during the day and DXM for trying to get my tolerance to where it used to be.

Imagine 2 grams of mdma doing shit.
 
Why DXM is more effective then memantine for tolerance:
Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 2004 Oct;26(8):623-6.
Protective effect of bupropion on morphine tolerance and dependence in mice.
Joshi D, Singh A, Naidu PS, Kulkarni SK.

Pharmacology Division, University Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Panjab University, Chandigarh, India.
Abstract
Possible reversal of morphine-induced tolerance and dependence by bupropion was studied in mice. A 10-day repeated injection regimen was followed to induce morphine tolerance and dependence. Bupropion (2 and 5 mg/kg) per se, when chronically administered for 9 days, failed to produce any significant change in tail-flick latency compared with the control mice. Chronic administration of bupropion (2 or 5 mg/kg) during the induction phase (days 1-9) delayed the development of tolerance to the antinociceptive action of morphine and also reversed naloxone- (2 mg/kg) precipitated withdrawal jumps. On the other hand, acute administration of bupropion (2 or 5 mg/kg) on day 10, i.e., during the expression phase of morphine dependence, reduced the incidence of naloxone-precipitated withdrawal jumps without affecting tolerance to the analgesic effect. In conclusion, results of the present study suggest the potential use of bupropion in tolerance and dependence.
J Pharm Pharmacol. 2009 Apr;61(4):493-502.
Effects of co-administration of bupropion and nicotine or D-amphetamine on the elevated plus maze test in mice.
Biala G, Kruk M.

Department of Pharmacology and Pharmacodynamics, Medical University of Lublin, Lublin, Poland. [email protected]
Abstract
OBJECTIVES: A variety of abused drugs, including psychostimulants, can modulate the expression of anxiety. Although the effect of nicotine and D-amphetamine on anxiety-related behaviour in animal models has been investigated, the mechanisms underlying the anxiogenic or anxiolytic actions of these drugs have not been clarified. Bupropion is an antidepressant drug which may alleviate some symptoms of nicotine withdrawal, although its effects on anxiety are not clear. We have investigated the effect of nicotine and D-amphetamine on anxiety in the elevated plus maze test in mice.

METHODS: We examined the influence of acute administration of nicotine (0.1 mg/kg, s.c.) and D-amphetamine (2 mg/kg, i.p.) on anxiety level. We then evaluated the anxiety-related response after subchronic injection of both psychostimulants, including crossover effects. For this purpose, nicotine (0.1 mg/kg, s.c.) was administered daily for six days, and on the seventh day mice were challenged with nicotine (0.1 mg/kg, s.c.) or D-amphetamine (2 mg/kg, i.p.). A distinct group of mice was pretreated with D-amphetamine (2 mg/kg, i.p., 8 days), and subjected to D-amphetamine (2 mg/kg, i.p.) or nicotine (0.1 mg/kg, s.c.) challenge on the ninth day. Moreover, we investigated acute and subchronic effects of coadministration of bupropion (5, 10 and 20 mg/kg; i.p.) and nicotine or D-amphetamine.

KEY FINDINGS: We observed that acute anxiogenic effects of nicotine and D-amphetamine as well as the development of tolerance and cross-tolerance to their effects were blunted by a pretreatment with a nonactive dose of bupropion (5 mg/kg, i.p.).

CONCLUSIONS: These results demonstrated that similar neural mechanisms were involved in the regulation of nicotine and D-amphetamine anxiety-like behaviour in mice. The results have provided new findings to support the use of bupropion in the treatment of nicotine and/or amphetamine addiction.
Reversal of Triazolam Tolerance and Withdrawal-Induced Hyperlocomotor Activity and Anxiety by Bupropion in Mice
Dipesh Joshi, Pattipati S. Naidu, Amanpreet Singh, Shrinivas K. Kulkarni

Pharmacology Division, University Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Panjab University, Chandigarh, India
Address of Corresponding Author

Pharmacology 2005;75:93-97 (DOI: 10.1159/000087189)

Key Words

Triazolam
Bupropion tolerance
Triazolam tolerance
Drug dependence
Triazolam withdrawal
Bupropion, anxiety
Abstract

Chronic administration of triazolam (0.25 mg/kg/day, i.p.) on days 1–8 and its withdrawal produced an anxiogenic reaction in mice as assessed in the mirrored-chamber test. Daily administration of bupropion (2 or 5 mg/kg, i.p.) prior to triazolam for 8 days prevented withdrawal-induced anxiety in mice. Triazolam withdrawal also induced a significant increase in the locomotor activity of mice indicating an anxiogenic response. Daily administration of bupropion (2 or 5 mg/kg) prior to triazolam for 8 days also prevented withdrawal-induced increased locomotor activity. In conclusion, chronic administration of bupropion (2 and 5 mg/kg) exhibited a significant protection against triazolam withdrawal-induced anxiety and hyperlocomotor activity in mice. The result suggests the protective effect of bupropion in the management of triazolam withdrawal reactions.
Alpha3beta4 antagonism has besides anti craving ant tolerance effects, thus i woll add in wellbutrin to my anti tolerance stack.
 
Im having some major tolerance issues after i ran out of memantine months ago, GBL, AMT, stims, mdma, methylone all barely do anything.

I'm currently on a regime of 600mg nac, low ket bumps during the day and DXM for trying to get my tolerance to where it used to be.

Imagine 2 grams of mdma doing shit.

Thats not to encouaging. Did the tolerance just come back once you stopped the memantine or did you actually just develop it again by excessive use of said compounds? Is it worse now that prior to memantine/dxm treatments?
 
Thats not to encouaging. Did the tolerance just come back once you stopped the memantine or did you actually just develop it again by excessive use of said compounds? Is it worse now that prior to memantine/dxm treatments?

Just same build up as before nmda antagonist treatment.

After i stopped memantine i got addicted to amphetamine for a month.
 
I think DXM doesnt work good for GBL tolerance, it also doesnt make a beer really euphoric like memantine did, ive read rodent study's how some nmda antagonists work against social defeat induced tolerance while others didnt but both worked against normal tolerance, i think there's a difference in NMDA antagonists and its possible that only memantine works against GBL tolerance.

DXM definatly works for stims and benzo's.
 
I think DXM is just useless for tolerance in general in my case, memantine worked wondors tough, i gues its also peple dependent.
 
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