red22
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Do any of these things have any psychoactive value? I found this …
"I made 6-chloronicotine once, Chichibabin on nicotine, separate regioisomers, then Sandmeyer on the product. I’d got into the terrible habit of sniffing a flask after rotary evaporation to check for residual solvent. The whiff of 6-chloronicotine almost made me pass out, I was grasping at the hood trying to stay upright. Additionally it was Saturday and I was in the lab alone. Later I checked, and this is a known compound which is 10x more toxic than nicotine. Pretty toxic stuff. I was stupid but lucky." Android109, https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/103p2qf/comment/j31gz8a/
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I asked about making nicotine more amphetamine-like, since it's quite weak and short-lived. This is what Claude said:
As for an amphetamine-like nicotinic compound — the honest answer is that the receptor pharmacology works against you. Amphetamine's euphoric/stimulant profile comes primarily from monoamine reuptake inhibition and reversal (dopamine, norepinephrine). nAChR agonism does release dopamine, but indirectly and more diffusely. The two mechanisms are quite different in character.
To get true amphetamine-like effects from a nicotine scaffold you'd probably need to graft on monoaminergic activity, at which point you've essentially built a hybrid molecule that isn't really "nicotine-derived" in any meaningful pharmacological sense anymore.
The closest thing might actually be epibatidine — a frog-derived nAChR agonist of extraordinary potency — but its therapeutic index makes 6-chloronicotine look safe by comparison.
"I made 6-chloronicotine once, Chichibabin on nicotine, separate regioisomers, then Sandmeyer on the product. I’d got into the terrible habit of sniffing a flask after rotary evaporation to check for residual solvent. The whiff of 6-chloronicotine almost made me pass out, I was grasping at the hood trying to stay upright. Additionally it was Saturday and I was in the lab alone. Later I checked, and this is a known compound which is 10x more toxic than nicotine. Pretty toxic stuff. I was stupid but lucky." Android109, https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/103p2qf/comment/j31gz8a/
6-Chloronicotine - Wikipedia
I asked about making nicotine more amphetamine-like, since it's quite weak and short-lived. This is what Claude said:
As for an amphetamine-like nicotinic compound — the honest answer is that the receptor pharmacology works against you. Amphetamine's euphoric/stimulant profile comes primarily from monoamine reuptake inhibition and reversal (dopamine, norepinephrine). nAChR agonism does release dopamine, but indirectly and more diffusely. The two mechanisms are quite different in character.
To get true amphetamine-like effects from a nicotine scaffold you'd probably need to graft on monoaminergic activity, at which point you've essentially built a hybrid molecule that isn't really "nicotine-derived" in any meaningful pharmacological sense anymore.
The closest thing might actually be epibatidine — a frog-derived nAChR agonist of extraordinary potency — but its therapeutic index makes 6-chloronicotine look safe by comparison.
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