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Nice Guys finish last...........always

Speaking from a female point of view...i have found me a very nice guy, and have been with him for over 2 years. The funny thing is, i seemed to be an arsehole magnet before, and when i met mr. samadhi, couldn't really believe that he was nice, so i started actually looking for indications that he wasn't...weird huh? Finally i realised that he is nice, among other things
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When a relationship begins, of course there is that excitement, primarily due to all those rushes of serotonin and adrenaline, which do peter to a certain degree as a relationship develops- but there are other feelings to replace that...though i can say that when Mr S looks at me a certain way, woo hoo, does my heart do flips and does my stomach fill with butterflies!
Regarding the petering of feelings, i do know that my heart sings knowing that i fall asleep and wake up next to my best friend, my lover, my partner in crime
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and my partying buddy every day. Nothing can beat that.
 
ROTFLMAO!!!! This thread is sooo funny! I'm going to have to use my Gaydar on you guys when we meetup!! hehehe.
I still think my original point is valid - telling ourselves that we're nice guys and then believing that we should come last is just an excuse we use to validate the 'pain' and justify the loss - whether it's a potential girlfriend, a sporting game or just some aspect of life in general.
I'm going to stick my neck out also and say that I'm not a nice guy at all - in fact, I've been called all sorts of things : "jerk" " arsehole" "prick" , the list goes on - and that's just by my girlfriend!!! Fact is, 'nice guys come last' is a defeatist attitude and if you're going to cling to it, then you're always going to be 'last', whether you're nice or not.
As for relationships - there's a lot more to involved than being an arsehole or a nice guy...
 
He who dares, wins....
Most nice guys (and I would tend to fall in that group i think) don't take risks as often. We tend to stand back and try and choose the course of action that is least likely to hurt others feelings. Percieved arseholes are just blokes that are more willing to put it on the line, and to do that you have to be more arrogant/confident and therefore you come across as an arsehole.
I would think that more 'nice guys' would win if we simply got off our butts and grabbed the proverbial bull by the balls. Until you really start doing that your not even in the game. Mind you I've been sitting on the bench for far too long now.
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I'm one of those girls that collects 'big brothers' you know, the nice guys who are great as friends, they're always there for you, they look out for you, and provide a shoulder to cry on after the latest asshole has left.
The perfect relationship... just lacking some of the benifits
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Funny thing is, my ex was one of those nice guys. Poetry and songs written for me, cute little text messages and emails. Turns out he wasn't such a nice guy after all, and my friend wasn't such a nice girl.
Not all nice guys are really that nice, and not all of the assholes are really assholes.
My boyfriend now is a nice guy, but he's strong enough to put up with me, and he knows how to tell me no (believe me, a huge task).
There's nothing wrong with being a nice guy, it just takes us girls a while to realise that we're looking for the right stuff in the wrong places
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Find hapiness:
live like there's no tomorrow
work like you don't need the money
love like you've ever been hurt
dance like nobody's watching
and fuck like you're being filmed.
 
You're right Quincy, I did come across a little hypocritical.
Generalisations do suck and there's no way you can apply a basic set of them to us "nice guys".
Some may appear nice, but in the wrong circumstances that may change....
 
Not knowing wether or not i am a "nice guy" or not.... i basically finish last anyway.... mainly because i play by the rule "Mates before muff" (thats true for me 99% of the time.... ie that 1% would be this weekend where i might not be going to a mates thing at his house cause i might be going to a club cause im chasing a girl
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....... does that make me a bad guy??
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Walk with me
The futures at hand
Here with us
Here where we stand
We both know
The power of pain
We get back up and start it again
New hope no place for tears
Leave behind those frozen years
Come with me and we'll go dreaming
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Every time life kicks me in the balls (so to speak) I get over it as fast as possible and try to learn from the experience. We (nice guys) don't always finnish last, it's just that there are a lot of assholes out there who seem to be doing better and we're fucked if we know how..
Being nice pays off, you might just be looking in the wrong places.
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hmmm. I married a nice guy..we've been together 15 years and boy, it can be hard work at times, but it is worth it, you just have to always talk, have lots of sex, laugh, compromise, scream, have lots of sex, talk, have lots of sex, need I say more?.
I did have my fair share of 'dickheads' though.. but hey, you need to go through the dickhead stage, to discover all the things you don't want in a partner (that's the way I look at it anyhow!!).
The right person will come around when the time is right...it's all about fate.
 
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Wow Tars, look what we have started!!! hehe
I wouldn't consider myself all that "nice", this label was given to me from numerous friends/girlfriends/family. Noone is nice all the time, we all have our ups and downs, pros and cons.
" I wouldn't go out with him, coz i'd walk all over him if i did "
This is something i have heard said about me on more than one occasion now. But that is not my problem, its hers.
But is there such a thing as being "too nice"?? When do you draw the line?? What do girls think of the saying "treat em mean, keep em keen"??
I treated my last g/f like a princess, and we got on sooo well together, so i guess it just depends on the person. The right person is out there for everyone, it just takes time to meet them. Well thats what i think anyway. I've learnt soo much from past relationships, and its all added to me becoming a better person, so look out next g/f!!! hehe
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DJC - Nice Guys United Corp
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"We are the children of the revolution"
 
Hey DJC when's the book coming out? (refering to comment in other thread about some book you and Tars were making)
 
i am married to one of the nicest guys ever
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and i loooooove him so much. he was a close friend before he became my partner, and when youth and vibrancy are gone, and we grow old together and raise a family, he'll be my best friend yet. i think thats a very important part, remembering that your partner should be your best friend, cuz the initial love buzz will always wear off.
anyways, i think huxley is right in many respects (from a chick perspective). one thing that does bother me about my nice guy is that he doesnt tell me off nearly as often as he should. there is a big difference between being a lying, cheating, selfish, whatever, asshole, and being *assertive*.
i'd also like to note that if you are used to dealing with assholes, then having a nice guy around can seem weird and boring. i think women are afraid of it getting really boring. i worried about it.. cuz asym and i are both 'nice' ppl. but you realise getting to live w/ your best friend all the time who is also *yummier* than anything in the universe is just the best thing ever and it never seems to hint at becoming boring at all..
anyways, to conclude this lil ramble i'd like to point out that nice guys *do not* finish last! cuz look! a nice guy got me! tee hee!
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greetings earthlings,,
well,, i am blown away... I was curious about this , but the response has (in all honesty) blown my mind.
Not only have nice guys all over the universe been given a potential pat on the back and a big hug. As a constantly-told nice guy, I was getting the general impression that (as stated) the a/holes on this planet were seen as 'exciting' because there was constant crud going on. Where as the nice guys were seen as boring and "never anything exciting happens" type ppl.....
I've always generally felt enough warm & fuzziness about the person I am to have decent self esteem... but to read the comments above has definitely given a boost to my outlook on relationships after a recent dragging through the mud of emotional turmoil,.,..,.
Warm & fuzziness in all of your directions,,,
8-)
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Peace All
Namaste
 
Okay fellas, I think it's high time you get a "nice-single-girls" opinion on this thread.
{And my 2cents goes a little something like this}...
I personally dont think that there is any point in categorising something like this. I can easily say that "We are all individuals blah, blah, blah....we have all experienced basically the same things, blah, blah"... but what it really comes down to is the person inside of you, the person you choose to be with and what stage you are both in in your lives. It's a matter of what you both want from each other and your future together, combined with the soul that you were blessed with and how much you understand such things.
{personal experience time}...
The longest and probably most degrading relationship I have been in was with a nice guy who was bad...{wtf? i know, but just listen} He was a typical "nice" guy who loved me to the worlds end, would do anything for me...{was a major speed freak at the same time, but that hardly had an imapct...cough, cough}. The only thing that seriously got in the way was how overprotective he was of me. Blah, blah, blah we were together 10-12 months, blah, blah, blah...I lost myself in his life. It has already been said that what people experience in relationships is what defines our next relationship, not to mention what helps us to define ourselves. What we don't understand is that the extent of what we experience with one person makes us hesitant to experience it with another of the same "stereotype".
There is nothing in my opinion that can define a "nice-guy" due to the fact that to some extent, in some stage of a persons life
they will be a "nice-guy". This may not occur because he was born that way, or wants to be that way, but because there was something in his life that made him that way.
Now, being a "nice-girl" I tend to take offence to the statements that nice guys attract phsycho chicks. Yes, I admit I have my moments {generally more often than some} but there is still a point where I will be so involved in a person I would willingly do anything for them, no matter what the consequence. Relationships are all part of the learning in life. You take it as it comes and learn from the experience it has given you, yet that doesn't mean that you wont be scared the next time around.
{And because all you guys bagged us women out, to an extent...}
I tend to take the view that all guys in the earlier stages of their lives are not willing enough to be open with themsleves emotionally, therefore they don't let themselves become too attached. {Insert constant-casual-sex-relationships here}. But when it comes to the point that they reach that other level {the one where chicks are already at...hehe} they don't know how to behave in an adult relationship.
Chicks don't "expect" guys to let them walk all over you, they don't constantly test you and they are not purely in existence to fuck with your minds. You just think they are. Nice guys are people who know what they want, know who they are and know how to treat a girl as a guy. Admittedly, sometimes girls do their own heads in trying to figure out all you "nice-guys", but it would all work out if we stopped being so suspicious of the others emotions and thoughts. Because in all honesty, they are exactly the same as what you would be thinking {ie: no devious plots to try and make you insane by being unsure of what you are and are not meant to be doing in a relationship}
{And through all this babble I have learnt?}
That i am way too young to be looking for what I look for in a relationship with someone my age. So until I am about 25 my mind is made up that I will never find the guy that knows how to be in a "nice" relationship, cause generally it constitutes in getting my herat broken everytime I stupidly think "Yeah, yeah, he's the one!!" And then he screws some other girl...
And such is life really.
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To all the 'Nice Guys' out there......
If yah want to come first you basically have to act like an ass,give the gals a alot shit,be very fuckn loud and obnoxious and most importantly you have to gossip and bitch.....
BCR
 
Well shit, BCR.
That was definatly interesting..
Woke up, got some munchies and started reading BL while infront of the TV... Got involved with all these posts, defending nice guys then wham!! in comes BCR with a total contradiction to all that was said before hand...
This is just a mindless rant, i dont have anything to add to the discussion again.. not yet anyway =]
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I agree with Huxley.
And from a chick's perspective, it seems like what you think is 'nice' is really one of two things: an eagerness to please, or a sign of a boring person. The 'bad boys' out there are attractive to us ladies because they know what they want, they just strut... oh shut up.
Seriously though, confidence is a BIG turn-on, and many people make the mistake of thinking that an I-don't-give-a-shit attitude means the person is confident, when in many cases it just means they won't hesitate to fuck you over if it benefits them. You can be confident and be a nice guy.
To me, a NICE GUY isn't a nancy boy or a pushover, he's someone who believes in himself and respects others. And don't forget that everyone is on their best behaviour when they meet or go out with someone they think has potential. So maybe Mr Nice Guy will let his girlfriend get away with murder - doesn't mean he's a wimp, just that he's prepared to put up with her shit because of the good things he gets from her.
As for nice = boring, well it ain't so. I've had my share of dickhead boyfriends and I've been with my Nice Guy for .. jeez, over 8 years. And I've never been bored. Sure, he puts up with my shit, but I put up with his as well, and that shit has changed over the years because we've both had the sense to learn and grow, and most importantly, we have a very healthy love and respect for each other.
Hang in there, Nice Guys – those Nice Girls are out there, they’re just stuck in traffic or something
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I consider myself a typical nice guy and ppl always think
I'm gay!! especially my boyfriend.
Where's this whole he's a nice guy must be gay thing come
from, alot of them put most women to shame in the bitch
department. Very scary...
 
from a girls point of view, i guess im still looking for an asshole to make me realise how good nice guys can be..lol...
my last boyfriend was the epitome of a "nice guy"..guess i could say i had it all but it was missing that element of fun.
any assholes out there???? lol i think we all need to be treated like shit before we realise what we are missing out on...its all about not know what u have till its gone
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anywaaaaaaaaays heeh
 
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