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crazycatman

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Now ever since figuring out that as long as I keep test low I can go crazy on the tren, I've decided that tren is going to be the base of my next one.
Stuff I already know:
- 150-200mg test pw (depending on how it's packed so that measuring out is easy)
- 600+ tren I think that's the most I did, would ideally like to go higher, depends on how I take it and how money allows
- kickstart with tren ace (got a vial for free, soo) 150mg ed until it's gone, lower if it feels too much, only thing I'm not sure abut is if I should stay with just one or get another one to prolong it (one of those things that's gonna be decided by finances in the end)
- no mast (mast e is too expensive and mast p I'd have to poke my self all the time, besides for my goals mainly strength and a little recomp I see no point)
- no primo (can't afford a decent dose
- no eq (like my rbc count in the high normal, why mess that up, for dubious gains)
- no deca (already using tren e so if the results of this combo were to go bad...)
- no 1-test cyc (would love to but sources around)
- no var (to expensive, would love to otherwise)
- no tbol (rather take dbol in this case)
- no winnie (all those stories of painful joints... no thanks)
- no exotic orals like methyl tren and stuff


Stuff not decided on yet:
- which oral to add? Dbol or drol? Kinda leaning on dbol (about 50mg ed) but oppen to suggestions.
- how to run the oral? I've been thinking of 4 weeks on 4 off.
- another idea I've thought about was to do dbol+drol, dropping the doses obviously (25mg dbol 50 drol)... may reconsider the winnie if it helps prog sides here
- another even wilder was to tray addind npp for a few weeks... some say that's an instant road to gyno, others that I actually works quite well.


Goals are strength and recomp.
Thought, suggest

oh one more thing, regarding ancillaries, I've got a whole
 
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There was a study done that said running half doses of dbol and drol was better as you got the benefits of both together without all the sides of running either at higher dosages along with less liver problems.
 
crazycatman said:
- which oral to add? Dbol or drol? Kinda leaning on dbol (about 50mg ed) but oppen to suggestions.
- how to run the oral? I've been thinking of 4 weeks on 4 off.
- another idea I've thought about was to do dbol+drol, dropping the doses obviously (25mg dbol 50 drol)... may reconsider the winnie if it helps prog sides here
- another even wilder was to tray addind npp for a few weeks... some say that's an instant road to gyno, others that I actually works quite well.
Thought, suggest
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After trying methylstenbolone "m-sten" "ultradrol" earlier this year, I will never do dianabol again. Hands down better in everyway possible including the most important, how you look. Huge, dry, vascular looking gains > Puffy, bloated, water looking gains

I took it during the last 4 weeks of a cycle. This was my opinion earlier this year...

Here's a quick update. I have a weekish left of m-sten and that will conclude my 14 week cycle. First 3 weeks, I did 30mg, and the past 2 weeks, I've gone up to 45mg.

30mg - Great dry solid linear gains with almost no sides. Only side I experienced is libido went from outrageous to elevated.

45mg - Almost feels like a completely difference substance. Night and day difference from 30mg. Dianabol like strength gains. Huge increase in vascularity and size. And it's all the dry variety. Lots of threshold negative side effects though. Endurance is way way down. Weight lifting routine, I have to start higher in weights than I like as I'll run out of steam if I begin with my normal warmups. My cardio training is nearly impossible for two reason. Endurance as I previously said and uncomfortable shin pumps. I run 5 miles, 5 times a week without blinking an eye. I now struggle to run just 1 mile. Insomnia is noticeable. Uncomfortable stomach discomfort at times. Like I'll have a sudden bout of painful heart burn. I experienced all of this in the matter of 2 days from the increase in dose.

Conclusion
1. I feel bad for all the people out there who run this without test. This substance would definitely shut you down hardcore. I don't even want to imagine their libido.

2. I feel 30mg is the highest dose you'll be able to take if you want no side effects. I could easily run this dose for 4-6 weeks. 45mg gives you huge gains but with alot of noticeable threshold sides. I feel the trade off is worth it for my goals on this particular cycle, but could completely see the argument for going in the 20-30mg range. I will always run Methylstenbolone to end a cycle here on out. Very impressed and a great oral to take to polish off all your gains you received on cycle. With what I know now, I'll run it @ 45mg for either 3 or 4 weeks in the future.
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^would you think it would be fine to kickstart a first cycle? Collecting ideas on orals for my first cycle possibly this winter.
 
Strictly speaking there is no real harm in kick starting a first cycle, as to be honest most first cycles have a oral kick start very few people have the patience to run a test only first cycle ( myself included in this ran D-bol @ 30mg for the first 5 wks of my first cycle). As long as you keep dosages reasonable, and pay attention to your body you should be kosher. But if at all possible, run the test first; you'd be surprised at the gains your gonna get.
 
Serotonin101 said:
^would you think it would be fine to kickstart a first cycle? Collecting ideas on orals for my first cycle possibly this winter.
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Yes, it would be fine for a kickstart. Personally, after doing an oral at the end of a cycle, that's the route I think is more effective imo
 
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