Verybuffed
Bluelighter
That is what my money is on as well!
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NEWS: 'Reckless' teen imported deadly drug
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That is what my money is on as well!
maybe he got done for the key, but that was just one of a number of shipments yet to come?,
I dont wanna go to deep into it, however chemical manufactures and brokers are more than happy to shift large amount of product, you have to understand the bulk of it is just controlled sales people, so it is not uncommon to drop XXK amount, lets say for Phthalic anhydride, and since its an everyday product you may get a monthly delivery or so.. so im more lead to belive, if he could turn that money over in caps, he could break even after the first 2 bricks, with the rest to be shipped later, straight profit, less paper work, in a stoner haze, im also thinking as he was a self made bizz man, maybe he tried to write it off as a bizz expense, and since its such a shaky case, its all that may stick..
however that's for the courts to decide..
-mofo
I dont wanna go to deep into it, however chemical manufactures and brokers are more than happy to shift large amount of product, you have to understand the bulk of it is just controlled sales people, so it is not uncommon to drop XXK amount, lets say for Phthalic anhydride, and since its an everyday product you may get a monthly delivery or so.. so im more lead to belive, if he could turn that money over in caps, he could break even after the first 2 bricks, with the rest to be shipped later, straight profit, less paper work, in a stoner haze, im also thinking as he was a self made bizz man, maybe he tried to write it off as a bizz expense, and since its such a shaky case, its all that may stick..
however that's for the courts to decide..
-mofo
You're right in observing that some dictionaries define derivative as an actual derivation while others imaginary - but for imaginary derivations we have the word analogue which is actually a part of american, canadian and australian legislation (maybe others - I don't know).
A body of legislation that introduces the word "analogue" obviously grasps the word "derivative" in it's strict form. Otherwise, why waste all that time defining the term and passing laws?
Jakeperson
Bluelighter
This was the first case, that's why. Before this young man, mephedrone was very much in a grey area.
MrIbis
Bluelighter
this is not the first case at all...
you guys have no idea
I have contacts in Tasmania, who have been done, and charged (mid last year infact) with importing commercial quantities of mephedrone and possession (8kg+). So don't think coz the media says so, its true. because it truly isn't the case.
The cases in question though, most likely fall into a very grey area, because the drug 'listed' was -methcathinone, not methylmethcathinone, which for prosecution is a MAJOR fuck up, seeing as charges cannot be changed after the fact. and it's as simple as proving the substance they had was not infact methcathinone, and the whole prosecution case turns to shit right there
you guys have no idea
I have contacts in Tasmania, who have been done, and charged (mid last year infact) with importing commercial quantities of mephedrone and possession (8kg+). So don't think coz the media says so, its true. because it truly isn't the case.
The cases in question though, most likely fall into a very grey area, because the drug 'listed' was -methcathinone, not methylmethcathinone, which for prosecution is a MAJOR fuck up, seeing as charges cannot be changed after the fact. and it's as simple as proving the substance they had was not infact methcathinone, and the whole prosecution case turns to shit right there
Verybuffed
Bluelighter
Thanks for the info MrIbis. How long did they end up being sentenced for? or did the charges not stick because of the listing problem?
Jakeperson
Bluelighter
Yeah you're right I remember a few people saying that some people in Tasmania were busted previous to this.
Neonrazr
Greenlighter
Ouch that's a bit, if they got nicked doing that it would be federal ,meaning the case would go on for years if pleading not guilty and no leaving the country. And you would expect records being taken into account could range from a good behavior bond and community service of some kind if they are a bum, to a suspended sentence for a few years. Any violations would put them back in jail until they see a federal judge who will most likely just tell them they're serving thr rest of the sentence inside.
MrIbis
Bluelighter
verybuffed; Too my knowledge, and contact i've had with specified persons, They have not received sentencing, and it seems the prosecution case has gone pear shaped due to their wording of the charges.
They did attempt to say the 8kg+ in possession was created from methcathinone as a precursor, therefore making it illegal, once explained that m-cat never actually came into the synthesis, was not produced at any point, their case basically fell out the window. However all this means diddly squat now, because as it would seem, the jacks have figured out how to use federal analogue legislation to their advantage, to bust ambitious kids no less.
They did attempt to say the 8kg+ in possession was created from methcathinone as a precursor, therefore making it illegal, once explained that m-cat never actually came into the synthesis, was not produced at any point, their case basically fell out the window. However all this means diddly squat now, because as it would seem, the jacks have figured out how to use federal analogue legislation to their advantage, to bust ambitious kids no less.
Verybuffed
Bluelighter
^^very interesting, thanks for that post. Is there any way to recover a case like that? e.g can they hit them with a lesser charge or something after they stuffed it or is the whole case out the window?
MrIbis
Bluelighter
to my knowledge, after the fact - its all out the window...
Like to create a case, they'd need new evidence, if a case is dismissed, the evidence is either returned to the owner (if its like objective evidence) or destroyed depending on what it is.
Like to create a case, they'd need new evidence, if a case is dismissed, the evidence is either returned to the owner (if its like objective evidence) or destroyed depending on what it is.
Verybuffed
Bluelighter
Wow. What a stuff up, especially considering we here have all known the correct charge for 2 years or more now.
look at the legislation carefully - you need to find a scientist that claims that it is fungible with methcathinone and there is not one scientific report on earth that proves that... So the jacks have once again figured out a way to pound their fists on their chest but no conviction will come of this if the defending lawyer is a bit stubborn.
Oh, BTW - there are some very credible reports from authoritative scientists that claim that it is not fungible... at least the good thing in Australia is that it is hard to get a lie through court.
MrIbis
Bluelighter
^It's also EXTREMELY easy to have the truth omitted from the evidence given to a judge or magistrate, even on the prosecution side. I was always under the impression that prosecution were extremely relentless, but most are just esteemed cops who have a reasonable view of justice, and don't care as much for convictions as one might think.
bonbon; i also understand your claims, but the way p_d puts it, Our legislation can and will find a chemical substancially similar if more than 30-50% of it's atoms are the same as an already scheduled substance - whilst this holds little value scientifically, the courts are not an organic chemistry class, and eventually they will disimenate how to charge people based on these 'facts' as much as they're proven to be ineffective (as much as an opposite stereo isomer, lets use meth as an example, it's completely inactive - but no less illegal?)
bonbon; i also understand your claims, but the way p_d puts it, Our legislation can and will find a chemical substancially similar if more than 30-50% of it's atoms are the same as an already scheduled substance - whilst this holds little value scientifically, the courts are not an organic chemistry class, and eventually they will disimenate how to charge people based on these 'facts' as much as they're proven to be ineffective (as much as an opposite stereo isomer, lets use meth as an example, it's completely inactive - but no less illegal?)
The courts are not an organic chemistry class - true. But when pivotal evidence requires special education to understand, then both sides bring in their expert witnesses so the question of similarity does not become a joke. Besides, fungibility requires that the sufficiently similar analogue have a similar effect as it's illicit counterpart - not just similar chemistry.
oh...and - Nice one with the S-meth...
Cornishman
Bluelighter
I bet he was dealing meph for a while beforehand.
How else would he get 20k at that age.
How else would he get 20k at that age.