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NEWS: Herald Sun [31/08/2004] - Greens policy backs illegal drugs

Keystroke: Mind giving an example of these policies or should we just take your word for it?
 
Apart from the obvious econommic ramafications of bob browns shit ideas. the stupid gay tree huging save the whales homosexual fucks should fuck off. They obviously have nothing good to offer to australia and nothing to offer to this site. dont be sucked in by bob browns bullshit, I love ecstasy to but if everyone did the world would be all fucked up. So lets just tow the 'democratic line' and have a fuck lode of fun within our chosen family thats about as good as itl get.
 
4k4r3: Well noone has even tried argueing against Psychadelic_Paisly's initial points against the green parties policies.
 
Bob's got my vote. What happens with preferences though... this is my first year voting so I'm not sure about the whole deal. If I vote Greens 1, does Latham get some kind of preference vote out of this??
 
What the fuck are u thinking hes obviously gona fuck up the country. Fucking think for once in ur life he has no other policies than ones that apeal to radicals like u and there never gona work. 4 sure i like the mdma one but it aint gona mater nothins gona change, the best chance we got is by changin the sytstem from within it other than tha ur dreamin. By the way u should remember that bob brown is fuckin unpopular and whether u like it or not ur vote for him means nothin more than a vote for Mark Lathem (Hitler)
 
In reality the election will be yet another Labor/Liberal fight.. I cant see that changing for some time. However, a few Greens in the senate would be a nice way to get issues like drug harm minimisation discussed. They may have some rather odd ideas in some areas, but I kinda like the idea that we can have some people in parliament with crazy ideas and over-idealised views of the world.. it means those kind of ideas at least get brought up from time to time.

Ahh elections... I think this year I need to reassess my loyalties and see whats on offer.

stace.
 
Hey im agreein wit u I dont like the idea of greens in the senate I still see it as a bomb about to explode but I do think some radical ideas would do some good. ps I dont like bob brown I feel that any atention seeker like that realy knows that there ideas arent valid.
 
i don't see the greens getting many non-youth votes unfortunately - they're too progressive for the majority of conservative Australians the way I see it, which is really a pity...and most conservatism comes with age...

I'm angry at the usual journalistic misrepresentation of fact, so unfair sometimes. If I could vote, I'd vote greens. My parents will hopefully vote greens simply because they're anti-war...my god it's about time we had a party who dare to do something different
 
Hey anti war is great I dont like bein blown up either but how would u feel if Sadam sent some hardcore missiles ur way im not sayin its sertain but its the best evidence we got to go on and we no its partly true. and dont give me that war should be a last resort bulshit all wars are a last resort weve been fuckin round with iraq 4 10 years so whether bush is carrying out some vendeta or not its still worth it. If the hole world could be great id love it but lets face it someones always gona suffer so lets have an awsome time 4 them pls. pls.
 
Psychadelic_Paisly said:
[Dole payment without even looking for work. WTF?

All the people i know have just whitewashed their way through that requirement. Its bullshit and hasn't helped them get any job whatsoever. The majority of sane people will look for work because the dole is insufficient to live on. The people who don't look for work are lazy fuckers who would just bullshit their way through the requirement. My uncle, a centrelink officer loves telling us about the habitually unemployed and how they just apply willy-nilly for work that is not appropriate for them. Apart from pandering to people who don't care about the circumstances the liberals are just using a defenseless group by forcing them to follow them to follow a vexatious requirement. It degrades & depresses them more - who hasn't lost a job they really cared about and then been told, hey you have to go straight back to the work force. No time to stop buddy better keep walking otherwise you'll be eating from the bins again. I've been redundant twice now (i'm on my 5 telco) and i refuse to even walk into a centrelink office because of the bullshit they lay onto you. The same for most of my friends.

Taking farmers land? Guess they could get on the dole =P

The land is dying. Have you been out to the country? Have you seen the damage being caused cash crops, grazing? If you had then you would agree with a policy of saving it. The farmers are just fucking it up anyway. Would you prefer a salt desert or a lush area that can support sustainable farming?

You pick. If you like short-term gains go ahead but if you want the land to be here tomorrow then you should see the reason in their policies.

I'm no environmentalist and i would love to eat some whale sushi but i figure if we don't do anything about it now we won't ever be able to eat lush whale meat or hunt elephants in africa.

one last thing read the greens policies. I did after reading the above article. I didn't find one kooky piece of bullshit. I read their economic policy, the clauses, which highlight their priorities in running the economy. If anything I reckon some of it was ripped off the liberals website.

I double dare any mother fucker to go to that site, do a cut and paste and give evidence to show the greens are crazy - that their unpopular. Hell a snap poll on SMH showed that Bob Brown was more popular then the PM (13,000 votes).

Back to drugs though I would gladly vote for anyone that will stop people needlessly dying from drugs when they could have easily been saved. If you care for any of your friends or families who take drugs then take note they or even you could be next.

Sitting in a hospital having cerebral hemorrhaging is not fun - a reasonable and fair drug policy can help you avoid it.
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Were never gona have a good drug policy the whole universe would go to shit if we did. Think bout wat u would do if it was legal its obvious, the universe is full of counterweights this is just one of many that keeps it going just accept it and be one of the people who has a fuckin good time.
 
Pilltastic,

Not only are your arguments irrational and illogical they are also incoherant.
First off, if the Greens were in power, they would most likely spend more money on education. That means people like you could learn about spelling, punctuation and independent thought.

If enough people vote Greens, they get more people in the senate which means they can influence legislation to; Support equal rights, protect old growth forest and protect the whales. Which I'm sure you would be happy about.......oh sorry, thats right Pilltastic you think
the stupid gay tree huging save the whales homosexual fucks should fuck off
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As I mentioned before, EDUCATION, I know it might be an unfamiliar concept to you, but I'll do my best to explain. Education in the realm of drugs, means equiping people with the necessary knowledge to make an informed descision as consenting adults as to whether they ingest certain substances. This is called free will.

The current drug policies are not some counterweight that the universe has provided. They are subjective legal inventions by the powers that be; they ignore harm minimization strategies, the harm that legal drugs do, free will and the fact that illegal drugs do have good properties.

But if you are happy with the status quo, thats fine, vote Liberal by all means. Just don't complain if you end up with a criminal record and low job prospects for taking your drug of choice.
 
pilltastic haven't you heard? They caught sadam. Still no weapons have been found. :/

I will certainly be voting green. I do admit that the libs have done a good job with the economy. (well I'm doing alright anyway) But I think Howard is a sly little bastard. I sometimes wonder about his relationship with the australian media tycoons. Especially when stories like this are run.
 
Pilltastic,

Not only are your arguments irrational and illogical they are also incoherant.
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I agree. I would even suggest you edit out some of your more offensive, and certainly out of place comments.

This board is for drug discussion. Certainly other political polices can directly affect the wellbeing of the user, but as we have a radical drug policy as the highlighted topic, I would have thought this would be enough on it's own to take center stage :\


Let's face it, without radical suggestions in these areas, and the chance to debate any merits or otherwise, how do forward thinking people go about instituting change?

In this instant I applaud the media for sensationalizing (incorrectly) the Greens policies. It's given Bob the chance to correct, and while doing so, stimulate much discussion and debate. All healthy stuff. I'm sure a balance lies somewhere in between - accepting that the "ideal" is probably something different for each of us.

Vehemently opposed to legislative reform? Or totally supportive of complete commercialisation of illicit drugs? perhaps you have more moderate views. However you feel, you might like to thoughtfully detail your ideas in this thread.

How Far Should It Go
 
Pilltastic => Spend some time in the 'current events and politics' forum. I'm sure you'll entertain them all over there ;)

Also, the netherlands have a fantastic drug policy and they are one of the lowest drug using countries in the world!
 
The more I read about this in the media, I'm not sure if this is all entirely positive.

The whole point of publishing these articles in the Murdoch papers is to discredit the Greens because current polling shows that they may attract up to 6% of the vote in the coming election.

The obvious intent behind these articles is to scare off would-be environmentally concscious voters who would consider a vote for the Greens by highlighting their other social policies, I guess the policy on drug reforms is the most radical and most likely to frighten conservatives.

I would hazard a guess though that most people who already intend to vote Greens wouldn't have too much problem with a harm minimisation approach to drug policy.

Anyway, as phase_dancer has mentioned, any debate is good I suppose... even though, as you'd expect, Andrew Bolt has gone in hard in today's opinion piece in the Herald Sun (it should be online this evening).
 
phase_dancer said:

In this instant I applaud the media for sensationalizing (incorrectly) the Greens policies. It's given Bob the chance to correct, and while doing so, stimulate much discussion and debate. All healthy stuff.
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True, true. Even this morning, Triple M's "Can of worms" was about the legalisation of drugs. Now if that's not getting to your average suburbanite I don't know what is. They had a pretty balanced discussion too. For every housewife who came on saying "These people on drugs are unemployed and rob banks to get their 'fix'" 8) , they had another person with a counter argument. There was even a pharmacist (believe it or not) who came on air and said that ecstacy in itself was fairly benign chemical substance compared to the damage done by, say, alcohol or cigarrettes - but that the problem came when people didn't get what they thought was ecstacy, or used it in an uneducated or irresponsible way.
 
NEWS: Herald Sun [01/09/2004] - ' Brown backs off Greens' drug ideas'

Brown backs off Greens' drug ideas
Gerard McManus and Michael Harvey
01 Sep 2004

RATTLED Greens leader Bob Brown yesterday rushed to distance himself from his party's policies on hard drugs.

Senator Brown, who admitted smoking dope in his mid-20s, denied some of his own party's policies.

"I don't back the illegal drug trade. I don't back an open slather, over-the-counter system," he said.

"I advise people not to (smoke marijuana) -- the medical evidence is not good."

But the Greens website advocates the controlled availability of cannabis at "appropriate venues". It proposes to investigate regulating the supply of ecstasy and unspecified drugs in controlled environments, and the removal of illicit drug use from the criminal framework.

Senator Brown's outburst follows a Herald Sun expose of his party's soft-on-drugs policy.

The revelations prompted wide debate about the Greens, whose recent polling indicates they might win the balance of power in the Senate in the new Parliament.

The Greens' other controversial proposals include a push to make Australians eat less meat but ride bicycles more frequently. They advocate higher taxes and new ones, such as inheritance taxes.

But Senator Brown appeared unaware of the Greens' own platform while lashing out at the Prime Minister's tough-on-drugs policy.

At a joint press conference with Australian Democrats leader Andrew Bartlett to announce preference deals, Senator Brown admitted smoking marijuana but said he had learned better since.

"When I was in London back in 1970, I did sit in a circle with some Eritrean students and puffed on some marijuana, and I did inhale," Senator Brown said. "But I haven't since."

He said his party's policy would move away from the tough on drugs approach.

"The policy means let's look at alternatives instead of being hard-lined, narrow-minded like the Prime Minister is, which says that you must criminalise everybody who falls prey to the sale of drugs," he said.

"Current drug policies are prescriptive and harmful to young Australians using them, and they can die uninformed."

Senator Bartlett, who has had his own troubles with alcohol, said he had never used illegal drugs, and the Democrats' approach was different.

"Illegal drugs can be very harmful; I've seen some of the harm drugs can do. I've never used illegal drugs, but I don't condemn people who do," Senator Bartlett said.

"Increasing availability is rarely a wise move."

Labor leader Mark Latham also distanced himself from the Greens, whose preferences could be crucial for Labor's chances in marginal seats.

"Our policy is that we don't support the legalisation of drugs," he said.

Prime Minister John Howard said it was important that the Greens' agenda was fully exposed.
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From here

There was another article in the HS today that was really interesting but hasn't gone online. It's about how Bob Brown was working as a doctor in a hospital in the 70's when Jimi Hendrix was rushed in with an overdose he eventually died of.

I think his standing as a GP should actually help the profile of what he's proposing.

Regardless, there's going to be a lot of interesting things said in the media in the coming days.
 
look heres my last post, my advice is stop wining and have some fun its downright unaustralian to bitch about shit. ya neva gono make a difference so just fuckin get over it hey. ps I thik drugs are bad and use them as a crutch and so do the rest of u so stop pretending their great.
 
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