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Gold Coast school plans to drug test students

An elite Gold Coast school is considering introducing random saliva and urine tests to deter students from using party drugs.

The Southport School, a private Anglican boys' school, would provide counselling to students caught with drugs in their system once but would expel those who tested positive twice.

Headmaster Greg Wain emailed parents about the proposed regime this week, saying dozens of students would be tested at random each year.

Mr Wain told the Gold Coast Bulletin students did not use drugs at school but off-campus incidents were recorded every 18 months to two years.

"We don't have a problem here, but the boys have a problem in the holidays on the weekends when they sometimes go to large parties and these things (drugs) are available," he was quoted as saying.

The Parents and Friends Association and the student council have backed the idea but parents will need to sign consent forms for minors to be tested.
Source: Gold Coast Bulletin
Author: Fiona Willan, Approving editor: Henri Paget

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8512728/gold-coast-school-plans-to-drug-test-students

Great. Push the Cannabis users into using the currently undetectable and completely un-researched synthetic Cannabinoids. That way they can get baked and go to class still 8(
 
what a fucking joke.

what ever happened to just sending the student to the detention centre for that period and calling their parents? or just telling you to "go drink some water and freshen your face up, it's bleeding obvious you're high".

they'd have more luck catching kids on pills and powders than weed on the gc.
 
Yeah that's shit, what does it matter what kids do in their holidays or on weekends.

It's not that hard to beat saliva or urine testing in these conditions. The miners do it every weekend.

This is going to educate kids on how to beat drug tests effectively though.
 
Fucking LOl, I have my school reunion at TSS this weekend and I can tell you right now the majority of the most "successful" students twenty years ago all smoked weed and then some. In fact my first mushroom trip was a school camping expedition out the back of Lamington National park. Some of the parties I went to had to be seen to be believed. Parents would go away and half the boarding house got leave and would end up staying at someones multimillion dollar water front mansion and get right royally fucked up. Not unheard of to have bowls of pre rolled spliffs sitting on a coffee table. The funny thing is a lot of these guys now run multimillion dollar empires and are always headhunted by the school to mentor current students. Not exactly the best way to prepare someone for life by throwing them out following a drug test.

I predict they will test students right up until the rugby 1st XV or 1st Rowing VIII teams are decimated one season and then decide the financial cost to the school by not winning is not worth it.
 
The Parents and Friends Association and the student council have backed the idea but parents will need to sign consent forms for minors to be tested.

Wonder how many parents would refuse to sign that? I imagine not many, but surely a least a few... Would be ideal if you could just select which drugs you didn't want your kid tested for :D
 
It's not that hard to beat saliva or urine testing in these conditions. The miners do it every weekend.

This is going to educate kids on how to beat drug tests effectively though.

Exactly what its going to do, smarter drug users. Great practice for when they enter the jobforce.
 
It'll just eliminate the ignorant, careless, or unprepared people you'd assume. Might not be bad.
 
so when do we start to see the teachers tested each morning before class?
 
Concern over school's decision to drug test students

Civil libertarians and health experts have raised concerns over an elite Queensland private school's decision to randomly drug test its students.

The Southport School (TSS) on the Gold Coast has written to parents advising them of the new policy, aimed at eliminating weekend drug use.

There are roughly 880 secondary students at TSS and all of them have a unique identification number.

At the beginning of each term, some of those numbers will be selected at random and the corresponding students will have to present to an on-site pathologist.

They will be required to provide a urine and saliva sample for testing.

The policy was hatched by the school's headmaster, Greg Wain, who recently returned from a fact-finding tour of the United States.

"We have drug education programs and basically they work for a number of students but they don't work for all students," he said.

"The research shows that scare campaigns don't work and we were then pointed in the direction of random drug testing as a possible way to prevent boys experimenting in the first instance."

It is a daunting prospect, but Mr Wain says that is precisely the point.

"So if the boys know that we can detect it and they know they could get randomly tested, they're telling me that that's a very strong reason for them to say no, which is exactly what we want," he said.

Mr Wain says while some people may say it is none of the school's business, TSS is no ordinary school.

"If I see you or hear about you doing something on the weekend or the holidays that's putting you at jeopardy or putting at risk and affecting your health, I personally have a moral and ethical motivation to stop that," he said.

"So I'm going to get you in and I'm going to say, 'hey I'm really worried about you and I want you to stop doing this'.

"We're a community, we're like a team, I call it team TSS, and if you're on the team, this is what we expect of you and if you're on the team, we're going to really look after you."

Questions raised
But Queensland Council for Civil Liberties president Michael Cope says the school is acting well outside its duty of care.

"People shouldn't be subject of tests like this unless there is some suspicion that they've done something wrong," he said.

Mr Cope also questions the effectiveness of the checks.

"This sort of testing has been done in the United States for years," he said.

"A study of the results of this testing undertaken by the Australian National Council on Drugs found that the evidence is that it does not work.

"The evidence from America is that there is no difference in drug taking between schools that have testing and schools that don't.

"On top of that, the evidence is that children see it as inquisitorial and they react against it and they therefore refuse to participate in other drug education and rehabilitation programs that might be made available."

Health experts have cautiously welcomed the idea, but there are concerns drug testing companies will seek to profit from schools that embrace these kind of programs.

"We have drug testing companies around this country that are making millions, millions of dollars with now workplace drug testing and they certainly want to get into schools," Paul Dillon from Drug and Alcohol Research Training Australia said.

"It's an untapped market for them and that's my concern, when you do see an elite school doing it, that there's a suggestion that this somehow is a positive way forward and I really just don't think it is."

'For the best'
TSS says it will review the policy in 12 months time to see whether or not it has been successful.

But for now, the idea appears to have the backing of students themselves.

"Drug use and teenage drug use is a growing epidemic," Curtis McLeod said.

Mr McLeod is in his final year of study at the school.

"As a community, I think it's the school's job and our job - everyone's job - to look after everyone and make sure everyone is functioning at their best," he said.

"It's a duty of care, I think. If it's for the best of the student, I don't think there's any problem with the school, what some might call, encroaching on the weekend, if it's for the best of the students.
 
Fucken stoopiv gubment tryen to stop kids doing drugs how fucked is that aye bluelight, "we just tryen to skate but they keep takinen our skateboards!"

Can you people not see why the education system would not want school kids not using drugs.
Its not infringing on human rights, and to argue that belittles people who fight for real causes such as such as as as.

Heroin cakes for kids!!
 
Fucken stoopiv gubment tryen to stop kids doing drugs how fucked is that aye bluelight, "we just tryen to skate but they keep takinen our skateboards!"

Can you people not see why the education system would not want school kids not using drugs.
Its not infringing on human rights, and to argue that belittles people who fight for real causes such as such as as as.

Heroin cakes for kids!!

I can't tell to what extent you're trolling or being serious (i.e.), so I'll just respond anyway:
  • It's not the government
  • Your double negative implies you think the education system does want kids using drugs
  • Just because you don't think something is a human right / civil liberty doesn't make it so
  • I don't know what these "real causes" you refer to are, but having one point of view doesn't belittle people with a point of view on an unrelated matter
  • There's clearly a huge difference between different drugs and their risk to adolescents (I'm not aware of anyone advocating heroin for kids)
  • Not wanting kids to be subjected to random drug tests doesn't mean we think they should be using drugs. That argument is like anyone who doesn't understand libertarians' opposition to increased surveillance - "if you aren't doing anything wrong then why do you care if the government has cameras outside your house, listens to your phone coversations or reads your emails?"
  • You're ignoring the other harms already mentioned here (e.g. using more dangerous but undetectable RCs instead)
 
How stupid, so now the kids will end up trying Research chems instead because its undetectable. I wonder how many will end up having serious consequences or possibly dying? I would never of thought how controlled this country is becoming, in 10 years time the government will be setting a limit as to how many times we can shit daily.
 
This was on the project wednesday night.
Heres the link for anyone interested. http://theprojecttv.com.au/video.htm?movideo_p=39696&movideo_m=213266
It's segment 4 on wednesday. Segment on drugs starts at 10:02

I both hate the idea and it doesn't bother me too much either. Kids can and will try drugs, but they might keep it to the holidays to avoid risk. I think it gets rid of some trust between students and teachers.
It shouldn't be a schools business what a student does on the weekend as long as it's not affecting there marks.
 
It shouldn't be a schools business what a student does on the weekend as long as it's not affecting there marks.

*their ;)

We are talking about a boarding school here though. They are essentially the "parents" of a lot of these kids even during the weekends. Most kids are granted leave to stay with Day boys and friends from Friday night to Sunday evening, so its not exactly the same as some kid who goes to school 8-5. Back in my day this meant a lot of heavy drinking and drug use..... you just had to be sober when you got back for Sunday dinner.

From experience you have kids of 14-15 living away from their parents who will run amuck. Boys will be boys, and a lot of these kids are sent to boarding school because their parents can't handle them and believe the strict discipline will help. Your rooms are inspected, your uniform must be spotless, you have sets times for prayer, meals and homework. Any one of these is a violation of civil liberties, but no one is going to complain because thats how you have to run a boarding school dorm. If you want freedoms find a nice little state school close to home that allows you to come and go while wearing mismatched sneakers with your school uniform.

I actually don't have a problem with them drug testing their students. Parents are paying over $20 000 a year for a particular type of education and if you don't agree then there are plenty of other schools you could send your child to. If you wanted to get stoned during class and fuck around while wasting your parents money, then it definitely isn't the school environment for you. What I disagree with is the random nature of the testing and the chance that you will punish a kid whose only crime is a sneaky puff at a party one Saturday night. I went to this school and was a model student. I was a prefect and House captain, really good sportsman and finished first in 3 of my 5 subjects and graduated in the top 3 of my year and have gone on to be quite successful in my life, yet I would have failed this drug test on a regular basis. I don't agree that this type of testing would have saved me from anything. If anything it would have fucked my life up and I doubt I would be where I am if I had been forced to leave school in grade 12. I agree that some kids perhaps need to be saved from themselves and perhaps excessive drug use is not the smartest idea, but believing that having this policy in place is not going to adversely affect quite a number of innocent victims is a little naive.
 
Way to go Headmaster Greg Wain. I applaud you! What a fantastic way to ruin a young adults future for good just because they smoked some weed, or took some pills during the school holidays and got loved up and told a complete stranger their entire life story, or twirled the occasional pippy while studying for exams or ETC! Anyways, my point is punishing someone for having a good time outside school hours is fucking lame.
It shouldn't be a schools business what a student does on the weekend .

ts14 is absolutely right!

I guess, this is also a great way to improve the schools TER average by a hell of a lot. Because all the students that got expelled from testing positive for drugs, lets assume most of them are not straight edged, straight-A students. So by removing the students that normally would of scored an average results and dragged the schools overall TER score down, leaving only Straight-A kiddies to do the End of Year Exams = WICKED WICKED TOP AVERAGE MARKS for the school.

What an wicked plan yo!

/end rant
 
If they were concerned with the academic standing of their students they wouldn't hand out rugby scholarships to dumb props. This is more about peace of mind for parents sending their kids thousands of kilometers to live on the Gold Coast. If your kid was getting into trouble in some piss ant town in the country you would have to think twice before sending them to boarding school on the Gold Coast.

Lets face it, the GC is sin city. Even the Titans and Suns football players are banned from going into Surfers Paradise at night. Both clubs are aware of the temptations that living on the Coast brings and make sure they stay away from trouble. These are grown men, little wonder they are worried about their students. If they were truly wanting to clamp down on drugs I would make the random tests apply to the parents also. Where do you think the wealthy drug dealers send their kids?
 
smoke some meth on friday night, your all good
have a joint during holiday break, TOO FAR -.-
 
smoke some meth on friday night, your all good
have a joint during holiday break, TOO FAR -.-

Are you advocating a better testing method? if you are im all for that, that should be am aim for people testing kids, to differentiate kids that smoke weed every fortnight from kids that smoke meth and take pills every few nights.

Myself I think that people of fucking school age should not be doing drugs of any kind.
 
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