[NEWS] Drugs trials needle jailers

[footscrazy]

I think some people like to draw a distinct line between 'others' and 'them', because they don't want to/can't face the uncomfortable reality that those people are not so different from themselves.

 

[poledriver]

Needles in Prisons

yeh everyone can have their opinions and shouldn't be vilified for what they believe, even if it is differing to your own beliefs..

prompting alarm by officers, one of whom died of AIDS after being stabbed by an inmate with a syringe.

I can see points on both sides.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Although I agree with you about the retractables - mainly because they are crap. They give a little blood spray when the retractable mechanism is activated - so absolutely counter-productive as a BBV prevention method.

yeah, the retractables i've used have been absolute shit and when playing around with them afterwards they have spat a little blood out that was left in the barrel.

great post, lil

 

[grugz]

So in "your tax paying world", everyone in jail is a junkie? Is this what you really believe? OK, let's get a bit of a reality check happening mate.

No I don't,
I also dont think jail is where everyone ass rapes you or there is the drop the soap shit happens.

I must be one of those non tax paying fuck wits you are referring to. I was in jail for 18 months in total for supplying precursor chemicals to make the drugs which you, yes YOU good tax payer sir, use. I didn't use ANY drug at the time, and only started using certain drugs a couple years after I was released. So I was actually jailed so I could make your life easier by making sure your drug of choice was available... Crazy hey.

Im guessing you went back to similar business? Making some sort of income? And not on centrelink? Ive known people whove gone in and out of lockup who have never got a job and still just centrelink bums people wholm I dont stay in contact with for a reason.

You are so ignorant it isn't even funny. I would love to meet you and have a coffee to see if your opinion would be the same in person. I dare say it wont be.

If you think your "coffee" meeting would change my opinion, I dont think so

IMO you should be the one punished for using a drug just to get high. Do you honestly think ANY drug was initially used for recreational purposes? Idiot. No. Every illicit drug available today was ORIGINALLY created to BETTER peoples lives. It's a shame that society today, and the way people have to source drugs, as totally reversed this.

Im not too sure about this one, but yes majority were used as medicines previously

The majority (95%) of people in prison, I assure you, had total control over their drug use, and some even acknowledged they were addicted and needed help. Heroin, was the big problem in prison. People don't get locked up for stealing shit to support their habit, they get locked up when people like you lag them in so they can feel a bit better about their own using habits. Heroin, I agree is a bad drug, but why are you pigeon holing everyone who uses it? Are you that fucking dumb?

Everyone I know who iv's uses meth, everone I know who uses h smokes it. I have never ratted on anyone, id rather not end up in a ditch in mt dande

ALSO... People don't admit to addiction to get a smaller sentence you fuckin clown, people admit to addiction in court so their sentence includes some kind of drug treatment program they wouldn't usually have access to outside.

I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find cases which is. there was a thread which had people admited to supply to feed their addiction. If I generalised well my bad

To me, you sound like one of two people:

1: A cop... A disgruntled low life, nerd at school, now uses drugs so is cool, cop. The way you speak makes me sick, and if you are not a cop you are
2: An ignorant individual with delusions of grandeur.

your opinion

Foxtel in jail? Which jail has foxtel? I was at MAP, MRC, Port Phillip, Barwon and then Beechworth, NONE of those jails had foxtel or any kind of luxuries. You are so uninformed it isn't funny.

From what ive been told, there is and its restricted times and channels. interesting, did you get moved around from prison to prison or seperate offenses

To wrap up: People in jail should have access to clean needles. The prison officers know that drugs are all around, there is nothing which can be done to stop it. So instead of people using dirty syringes and upping the HEP C rate in the prison system (which is already 1 in 4), I feel this would assist a lot in reducing the risk of contraction of a deadly disease.

I still believe money could be spent in preventing drugs entering jails, its not like you can walk out to street corner and pick it up.
I dont believe it will stop spread, people outside still have same problem, as http://www.drugfree.org.au/newsandevents/news/shownews/article/needles-in-prisons/ lists my views better

You wanna argue, I'll post my address, come over and have a chat tough guy.

Sorry I dont meet men or women from the internet. And I never said I was a tough guy

The govt should funnel money into medical research, hep c is very close to being on cure, and I can assure u I know a few acedemics who specialise in hep c / hiv research who would disagree with this, however there are some who would support it.

Ayahuasca I appreciate your insight into the prison system, however I'm allowed my veiw and opinion as you are too.

 

[AyahuascaSeeker13]

Im guessing you went back to similar business? Making some sort of income? And not on centrelink? Ive known people whove gone in and out of lockup who have never got a job and still just centrelink bums people wholm I dont stay in contact with for a reason.

Never been on centrelink, never been without an actual job. Anyone who did what I did in the past, and does not work, it red lighting themselves. I work in a legitimate job, and have done so before and after prison.

If you think your "coffee" meeting would change my opinion, I dont think so

I think it may

From what ive been told, there is and its restricted times and channels. interesting, did you get moved around from prison to prison or seperate offenses

The Victorian prison system is terrible. Everyone starts at MAP, if on remand moved to MRC or Port Phillip. I was moved to MRC pending trial. Then to Port Phillip for about 4 months to see what risk I was, then to Maximum Security Barwon for 8 months because of my offences. Then moved to Minimum Security Beechworth because I was a nice bloke.

Sorry I dont meet men or women from the internet. And I never said I was a tough guy

Your words are tough mate... Watch how you speak in future please.

The govt should funnel money into medical research, hep c is very close to being on cure, and I can assure u I know a few acedemics who specialise in hep c / hiv research who would disagree with this, however there are some who would support it.

OK.

Ayahuasca I appreciate your insight into the prison system, however I'm allowed my veiw and opinion as you are too.

Ok, just the way you made your posts was very offensive to anyone who has served time. I don't appreciate being labelled a junky etc... Just because I was in jail.

Yes, Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's just the way some people approach a subject which is VERY wrong.

Peace.

 

[yagecero]

I'm a post-graduate student who is currently unemployed and lives on centrelink benefits. Thanks for getting me through uni Grugz; it's been a wonderful experience. I'll be sure to set up an alter in your image once I have the time

Insightful posts Lil and Ayahuasca, especially Ayahuasca - thanks for being so honest.

Peace.

 

[Divine Moments]

I still believe money could be spent in preventing drugs entering jails, its not like you can walk out to street corner and pick it up.

They obviously do put a lot of effort into that, but people will always get around it. You'd be surprised how ingenious a lot of people are, and the things people will do when the reward is great enough

 

[grugz]

Never been on centrelink, never been without an actual job. Anyone who did what I did in the past, and does not work, it red lighting themselves. I work in a legitimate job, and have done so before and after prison.

So it doesnt apply to you i guess. I know of many people who are junkies who are in and out of lock up, and refuse to get a job. Either way you said yourself, you never used inside so doesnt really apply to you, guess i didnt make myself clear enough

Your words are tough mate... Watch how you speak in future please.

Will try to, maybe lay of the crackie too...

Ok, just the way you made your posts was very offensive to anyone who has served time. I don't appreciate being labelled a junky etc... Just because I was in jail.

as above, i didnt mean to generalize that all people in prison are junkies, i meant the ones who are junkie shouldnt be given access, seems to appear to them that they can get hits inside and outside, so whats the difference for them, people who can control their useage, and are not addicts should be able to hold their needs until they get out, or at least think of it as a detox. I have met a few people who have been inside as well who arent junkies, and even peopel who have never used drugs before.

I'm a post-graduate student who is currently unemployed and lives on centrelink benefits. Thanks for getting me through uni Grugz; it's been a wonderful experience. I'll be sure to set up an alter in your image once I have the time

I dont mind people off centrelink. it just annoys me that there are junkies who steal, rob, stab, etc and then dont really want to get a job or clean themselves up, even when a reality call such as prison occurs.
im curious as to what you did undergrad and post grad thou to leave u unemployed

 

[grugz]

They obviously do put a lot of effort into that, but people will always get around it. You'd be surprised how ingenious a lot of people are, and the things people will do when the reward is great enough

im not saying they arent, but im sure alot more can be done to prevent it.

 

[AyahuascaSeeker13]

^ OK cool.

 

[ayjay]

yeh everyone can have their opinions and shouldn't be vilified for what they believe, even if it is differing to your own beliefs..

<quote about prison officer contracting HIV after being attacked with a syringe>


I can see points on both sides.

The gag here is that the poor prison officer who died was assaulted with a syringe when there was NO NSP. Actually providing sterile equipment gives the prison guards more control over needles and syringes. At present, there are any number of horrible improvised jobbies floating around, all of which are potential weapons. Plus if prevalence rates of infections go down, any given stab wound with a needle is less likely to contain hep B/C or HIV. Plus any improvised stabbing weapon could be used to inoculate a guard with infected blood.

Here's an example of a system used in another country. Prisoner requests needle/syringe. It is provided to him and he is locked in his cell. He indicates when he is all done and leaves the used needle/syringe in the provided receptacle, so the guard can see it through the door. Guard steps in and removes the used equipment. All done and dusted.

 

[kroniic]

Having a mate just come out of jail, he witnessed a group of guys share the needle between eachother. Now that shows that support is needed, there will always be junkies in prison needing a hit, I'd rather a safe environment for them, then dirty syringes being passed around. Hell even a safe injecting room would work.

Rewind 10 years ago when the MSIC opened, what was the backlash from the announcement? How many people were against it? Now its the norm, the benefits far outweigh the negatives, would provide a safer environment for injection, clean needles, less chance of overdose, minimise the amount of needles that actually go back into the prison and most importantly reduce the amount of viruses that get transmitted.

 

[grugz]

The gag here is that the poor prison officer who died was assaulted with a syringe when there was NO NSP. Actually providing sterile equipment gives the prison guards more control over needles and syringes. At present, there are any number of horrible improvised jobbies floating around, all of which are potential weapons. Plus if prevalence rates of infections go down, any given stab wound with a needle is less likely to contain hep B/C or HIV. Plus any improvised stabbing weapon could be used to inoculate a guard with infected blood.

yeh i dont like the idea of giving out free jabbies, if they wana stab someone or do somethign stupid, they fill em up with blood..more scary that way.

Here's an example of a system used in another country. Prisoner requests needle/syringe. It is provided to him and he is locked in his cell. He indicates when he is all done and leaves the used needle/syringe in the provided receptacle, so the guard can see it through the door. Guard steps in and removes the used equipment. All done and dusted.

That actually sounds a better idea, however how does the guard know hes put it inside the disposal box (im assuming its those yellow things) and not pocketed it, so then he doesnt have to have teh hassle to ask for his hit, or use it when he wants a hit at lockdown/night time?
i know prisoners dont want guards to know they are using, because then they can be of a more focus search to find their stash etc. also means they could also be monitored closely n watch find out where/who they get it off, and continue back and then stop the supply. which indicates to me that they rather share so that they can sorta have some sort of privacy

 

[Divine Moments]

^ They put the needle where it can be seen, it's not an honour system

 

[Big B]

Well I have spent just over a couple of years in prison in WA (Going back a few years now). Not a nice place and yes drugs are in the prison system. There is no doubt about it and I don't recall the Government saying drugs are not a problem in the system.

How to manage them is a different story. I think and I'm sure AyahuascaSeeker13 will agree with me the most common drug inside is cannabis. In my time I do remember people getting in the shit for having a dirty piss test for opiates and amphetamines but you certainly heard there were more dirty piss tests for cannabis.

Needles in prison is a difficult situation. Personally the jury is out with me. I understand people will continue to use speed and smack inside. And sure this needs to be done as safely as possible as the prison system is full of people with health issues, not just blood borne diseases.

And for the record there is NO Foxtel in prison.........and Grugz not everyone in prison is a 'junkie' you would be surprised at some of the people you meet inside. Granted a lot you wouldn't give your time of day for but there are some genuine people who are just shit out of luck.

 

[poledriver]

The jury is still out with me, i respect others opinion on it all tho, it's interesting.

The only time i went to jail was to visit a mate and it sucked, even for me just being there for a few hours, they overly searched us for the fun of it and then wouldnt let us leave when we wonted to go, it was that place in qld, wacol is it? i cant recall right now.

I guess when you goto jail you lose alot of freedoms, even visiting. So even if heroin is available sometimes less so than pot, then why does that give users the right to needles? You can still have heroin other ways even if it's not the way of choice. Like for pot they aint gunna provide nice big double chamber glassies are they? And for a meth addict they aren't going to hand out glass pipes? All those drugs can be used without those things. Smoking pot with papers aint nothing, snorting heroin or smoking it someway isnt either, neither is some powder that someone snorts or eats.
But a needle can be used as a weapon.

 

[Crankinit]

The jury is still out with me, i respect others opinion on it all tho, it's interesting.

The only time i went to jail was to visit a mate and it sucked, even for me just being there for a few hours, they overly searched us for the fun of it and then wouldnt let us leave when we wonted to go, it was that place in qld, wacol is it? i cant recall right now.

I guess when you goto jail you lose alot of freedoms, even visiting. So even if heroin is available sometimes less so than pot, then why does that give users the right to needles? You can still have heroin other ways even if it's not the way of choice. Like for pot they aint gunna provide nice big double chamber glassies are they? And for a meth addict they aren't going to hand out glass pipes? All those drugs can be used without those things. Smoking pot with papers aint nothing, snorting heroin or smoking it someway isnt either, neither is some powder that someone snorts or eats.
But a needle can be used as a weapon.

In theory, that's fine. But the reality is, needles still get into jail, and people still use them. It's all very well to say 'they should just snort or smoke their drugs,' but the reality is that they don't, they'd rather inject with a dirty needle and risk the diseases.