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NEWS: Coalition pledges bong ban

I think the fact that alcohol is more dangerous than cannabis is fairly evident to anyone with even the slightest capacity for critical thinking.

Alcohol: neurotoxin, hepatotoxin, carcinogen, physically addictive with severe WD's, possible to OD, intoxication often leads to dangerous behaviour including violence and drunk driving.

THC: Can trigger or compound mental illness in those with a predisposition. Can cause short term cognitive impairment. Can impair driving ability. Nonaddictive, nontoxic, the only people at danger from stoners are pizza's and doritos bags.

I don't even like weed (and I drink on a regular basis), but there's just no valid reason to buy into the whole prohibition thing. It's logically inconsistant to support weed prohibition without also supporting alcohol prohibition.
 
PsiloSubNaut said:
FAIL

It wont stop anyone from smoking weed

There will be more lung diseases caused by smoking through home made smoking implements, using plastics and metals that release toxins when heated...
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Exactly. And has been said, people can just roll a joint anyway or cook it into food. Or smoke a blunt (though this doesn't seem to be an Australian thing).

Do these people in the government not think this stuff through fully? I suppose being intelligent with good problem solving skills isn't important in politics.
 
Its not surprising to see this proposed since they are doing it in other states, it really is a load of shit though. How the fuck is restricting bong sales going to "reduce the harm to families caused by cannabis"? People are still going to smoke the shit, more than likely they will make a bong and the homemade implement will be worse for their health. The alternative is to roll joints or use hashpipes which just means they will have to buy more bud to support their habits.
 
You're not allowed to sell bongs in NSW, I have 5 stores close by that I know stock them though.
And if it's the sale that's going to be outlawed but not the purchasing then they should be able to be mail ordered in legally as they are here in NSW.

My mate broke his bong the other day, I had a powerade bottle in my car though. Are they going to restrict the sale of plastic bottles and garden hose too?

I'd like to add that I'm not politically active and believe change is achieved without the need to be so. Just cause "the man" says you can't buy a bong doesn't mean you can't. I don't think this is anything to worry about really. It's just like everything else, the governments position isn't reality and doesn't make a real difference compared to what the people actually do.
I'll go down the road and pick up my mate a nice new glass bong so we can go get stoned on some nice weed bought from some guy down another road nearby. I don't feel that those things are being threatened by the government, not in any way that effects me.
 
Whether or not cannabis is more harmful than alcohol depends a lot on dosage and frequency of use. Have 2-4 standard drinks a day and you're likely to benefit from the alcohol - I know there have been studies to indicate the contrary, but most schools of thought still regard a small amount of ethanol/day as being beneficial to most people's health. Of course, this doesn't take into account medical predispositions.

Same could be said of the antitumour properties of CBN (a cannabinoid) however, smoke anything and you dramatically increase your chances of developing COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) which leads to emphysema. So, even the one joint a day smoker substantially increases his/her chance of developing this condition, particularly if they're over 50.

In the above two examples, neither drug is probably too much more harmful than the other, but increase dosages significantly and both present additional problems. Which one is worse? Well, you can recover from sclerosis if you stop drinking before it advances too far (the liver can repair itself and regrow even if 3/5s of it are surgically removed). But once COPD is present, even if the person never smokes again, the damage is done and cannot be reversed, although aerobic exercise can delay the onset of emphysema. If the person has smoked for years, lung efficiency will never recover to what it would have been had the person never smoked.

So, regardless of how many articles are presented to show one side of the argument, there will likely be an equal number showing the opposite. In a sense it's like comparing apples to oranges.
 
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Crankinit said:
I think the fact that alcohol is more dangerous than cannabis is fairly evident to anyone with even the slightest capacity for critical thinking.

Alcohol: neurotoxin, hepatotoxin, carcinogen, physically addictive with severe WD's, possible to OD, intoxication often leads to dangerous behaviour including violence and drunk driving.

THC: Can trigger or compound mental illness in those with a predisposition. Can cause short term cognitive impairment. Can impair driving ability. Nonaddictive, nontoxic, the only people at danger from stoners are pizza's and doritos bags.

I don't even like weed (and I drink on a regular basis), but there's just no valid reason to buy into the whole prohibition thing. It's logically inconsistant to support weed prohibition without also supporting alcohol prohibition.
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I can speak personally about that. People need to watch for signs of mental illness in their friends if they are heavy users. It's hard to now if you have predisposition, fuck, I didn't know. I have now quit THC, besides from the occasional three/four draws on a Jay of good old fassioned bush, once or twice a year.
 
FYI:

ALREADY!!! - Another Lib Makes a Dickhead of Himself
It was only 2 days into 2010 and already another Lib had made a dickhead of themselves. Victorian Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu has joined the ranks of other political morons who have lied about or greatly exaggerated the effects of illicit drugs for personal, political gain. Following on from the trend set in SA and WA, Baillieu has declared that he will ban bongs if elected at the next state election.

Read more...
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Terry Wright
The Australian Heroin Diaries

Addiction was diagnosed as an illness over 100 years ago... Society has just decided to treat it as a crime.
 
Oh I can totally see how this will help, because it is oh so impossible to ever dream of making an improvised bong, it would just be too damn difficult!
What's next? A ban on king size/hemp papers???
Fuckwits, I was going to vote Brumby out coz he is a dick, but now the opposition is seeming pretty bad too.... Fucking politicians, they do more harm than drugs ever could, closed minded fools....
 
I'm pretty sure bongs are still legal in NSW... I mean I've seen them on display in plenty of shops, and behind the counter in a whole lot of others. In QLD where they're defs banned though, it took all of 5 mins to find a nice 'water pourer' as a substitute.
 
Here in New York water pipes are illegal, so the head shops remove the bowl (which is sold separately), insert a wick into the downstem, and sell them as 'oil lamps' :\
 
Most stores in SA that used to sell these kinda things have either slightly changed and renamed them or sell them illegally. The black market is growing!
 
PsiloSubNaut said:
It will have a slight effect on the easy access to safer smoking implements such as glass bangs
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It may do, but if so I can think only a very slight effect. Might be a good opportunity for some research to be done into that, I didn't look hard but if there is research on the public health effect of restricting the sale of bongs I can't see it. If anyones up for making a positive from the negative though...
jenkem said:
I'm pretty sure bongs are still legal in NSW... I mean I've seen them on display in plenty of shops, and behind the counter in a whole lot of others.
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Illegal to sell or display for sale: http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragview/inforce/act+226+1985+pt.2-div.1+0+N section 11a
That's just how effective laws like this are.
 
What. A. Load. Of. SHIT!
I don't personally use bongs, but I know ALOT of people who would be fucking pissed at this going through.

And calling it Off Ya Tree "bong store", like yeh they sell bongs & shit, but they aren't just a fucking bong store, they sell fucking clothing, shoes & piercing shit. I'm going to go see the manager of said store and high five him, he's the best dude ever.
 
Wow, this is definitely going to stop people from smoking weed! I can't believe they didn't think of this sooner.

I'm definitely gonna vote coalition now.

/sarcasm
 
Originally Posted by bit_pattern
Stop being apathetic and whinging on the internet and get active goddamn it

Well what have you got to say now....and where's your evidence to back up your comments ? Or links to it? If you want me to find some for you there's a stack of evidence backing my statement that would fill this entire thread as people have supplied above
 
Cannabis Vs Alcohol

%)http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/cannabis_information/health/cannabis_health_cannabis_vs_alcohol.cfm

FACT: Alcohol kills more people per year than all other drugs combined... Times one thousand.

Nobody has ever died directly from cannabis use. Alcohol can cause death by alcohol poisoning, asphyxiation, cardiomyopathy, and cardiac infarct (heart attack).

Impairment produced by alcohol increases the risks of accidents, and engagement in dangerous behaviour (particularly drink driving). It remains to be seen whether cannabis produces similar increases.

There is strong evidence that high doses of alcohol taken during pregnancy can cause foetal alcohol syndrome. There is weak evidence that cannabis can cause similar adverse effects.

The abrupt cessation of alcohol use in very heavy drinkers causes a well-known withdrawal effect that can kill if untreated. It is unclear whether any degree of withdrawal syndrome occurs after cessation of heavy cannabis use.

There is strong evidence that heavy alcohol consumption can cause psychotic behaviour. There is suggestive evidence that cannabis may produce psychosis in people with a predisposition to mental illness.

There is good evidence that alcohol can (indirectly) cause brain injury. With long-term heavy drinking, severe irreversible cognitive impairment can occur. Long-term cannabis use does not produce damage of comparable severity.
The late comedian Bill Hicks explains why marijuana is better than beer. Listen
 
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