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NEWS: Age Blogs - 27/11/08 'Take half of what you're offered'

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Take half of what you're offered
Sam de Brito
All Men Are Liars
Posted November 27, 2008 12:21 AM

It remains to be seen how successful the Rudd Government's $20 million anti-binge drinking television advertising campaign will be and while I wish it every success, I dunno how it's gonna compete against the hundreds of millions spent to push piss as the essence of the Aussie way of life.

You can't turn on the TV over summer (or winter) without seeing boofy blokes from every sporting code blowing the froth off the sponsor's finest and giving the camera a wink, just in case you hadn't worked it out: getting drunk rules.

I daresay that's the terrible hypocrisy that leaps out at most teenagers, who more than anything want to be adults: the entire friggin' world glorifies sucking piss - sportsmen, politicians, celebrities and mum and dad are constantly falling foul of over-indulgence - yet nascent teen drinkers are expected to exercise control on the drink.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know I'd tell my kids to have a water every second drink, switch to light beer if you're getting stupid, stay away from shots and don't get in cars with anyone once you or they have started boozing ...

Kids are going to drink, a lot of them are going to take drugs as well, and no amount of scare tactics is going to change that because young people do things to scare themselves, to scare their mates, to discover their limits.

A few months ago I was chatting with a doctor who's run some of Sydney's busiest hospital emergency rooms, dealing with overdoses of all descriptions.

"The thing I tell my nephews and nieces is 'take half of what you're offered,'" he said.

I'm sure mums and dads aren't too excited about the assumption their children will take drugs, but advice like this operates from a real-world understanding.

"I've seen so many people come through hospitals who wouldn't be there if they're followed that simple maxim," he said.

This is not to say kids have to take anything that's pushed at them - Christ, I'd hope they'd have the fortitude and character I lacked at their age to say 'no' - but if they are going to do it, 'take half of what you're offered' is a pretty sound rule of thumb.

I'd add a few others to the advice I give my children, some of which I'm robbing from my book No Tattoos Before You're Thirty (now in it's eighth reprint!)

Don't do drugs with strangers
If there's a chance you're gonna lose control, you want to be among friends, not some lurking date-rapey Casanova you just met on the dance floor. Friends will throw you into a cab and stay with you until the refrigerator stops speaking Urdu.

Never inject anything
It's so beyond crazy. You're breaking the sacred seal protecting you against the world - your skin.

Don't share bank notes snorting coke
The blood vessels in your nose can rupture doing any drug nasally. That $20 note may be buying you a lifelong case of Hepatitis or worse.

Don't smoke hydro
Hydroponic marijuana is chock full of fertilisers and pesticides. If you're going to have the odd joint, stick with naturally grown weed - and stop when the voices start.

Take drugs later in life
This is a little tougher, because kids will be kids, but research shows about the worst thing you can do to a developing brain is smash it with drugs and booze. I'd encourage my kids to stay away from the Persians until at least 18.

Don't get in cars with people who've done drugs
So many teenagers understand the whole drink and driving thing, yet lose that common sense when it comes to friends who are stoned, on pingers or pumping the pipe and want to drive. My kids are getting a couple of Cabcharge e-tickets to take out with them for such occasions.

So that's a short and none-too-exhaustive list of drug and booze advice I'd give to youngsters. I'd love to hear yours.

All Men Are Liars


I've posted before about Sam's blog and the regular references to his own drug use. What do people think about the harm minimisation advice being offered in this piece?

Even though this article appeared last Thursday, it's still a good place to share comments on safer drug use to a mainstream audience. Check out the comments section for this blog piece.
 
Big fan of this blog, usually entertaining and very informed and thought out in its opinions. Though I don't understand the line, "I'd encourage my kids to stay away from the Persians until at least 18." Can someone explain to me the usage of "Persians" here? I don't think I have heard this term used like this before.
 
^ I too am unsure of what Persians means here. :\

I like what he writes, in fact if he actually is that open and honest with his kids he is probably a lot like my parents.
 
This is just a guess but Iran, formally known as Persia, is a major trafficking thoroughfare of drugs out of Central Eurasia, specifically Afghanistan.
 
This is just a guess but Iran, formally known as Persia, is a major trafficking thoroughfare of drugs out of Central Eurasia, specifically Afghanistan.

That is what I was thinking. Culturally opium is a huge deal there and about as common as it gets. Highest per capita addiction and a government that supplies opium to addicts to lessen dependence related problems.

As for the advice of the article. It seems a bit careful to be realistic for me but of course all sensible. But as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to sharing notes for snorting drugs, it isn't and issue considering the amount of contact I have with my friends with whom I take drugs.

Perhaps most important is to support and foster a culture of responsibility and respect in your children. Or at least give them the resources needed to be informed.
 
Persian Rugs - Drugs

Frankly, I like his attitude. It's an honest one - and doesn't bullshit to teenagers/youth. IMHO the fastest way to alienate kids is to lie: anything else you say after becomes irrelevant.

I'm not sure about the Don't Smoke Hydro rule. you might as well say don't eat chicken for the same reasons...
 
I'm not sure about the Don't Smoke Hydro rule. you might as well say don't eat chicken for the same reasons...

Actually i'm pretty sure there is research to suggest that alot of the hydroponic marijuana we get in Australia is more harmful than naturally grown marijuana. I can't say where this research is but a (non-drug using) member of my family told me about it once. Apparently it accounts for the extensive mental issues associated with marijuana. I can't provide any sources though so take with a grain of salt.

So I would agree with Sam but then on the other hand hydroponic marijuana accounts for the vast majority of the supply, at least in Australia.
 
Yeah here it would be hard to verify because how many would only ever smoke natural because the supply is fairly low.
Unless you grow and/or know the right people of course.
 
Pistachio said:
But as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to sharing notes for snorting drugs, it isn't and issue considering the amount of contact I have with my friends with whom I take drugs.

You regularly exchange blood with your friends?

Pistachio said:
Actually i'm pretty sure there is research to suggest that alot of the hydroponic marijuana we get in Australia is more harmful than naturally grown marijuana. I can't say where this research is but a (non-drug using) member of my family told me about it once. Apparently it accounts for the extensive mental issues associated with marijuana. I can't provide any sources though so take with a grain of salt.

So I would agree with Sam but then on the other hand hydroponic marijuana accounts for the vast majority of the supply, at least in Australia.

On Erowid, I think they have an article discussing marijuana myths and one of them is that potency has changed since the 1960's... their counter-point is that there isn't enough research from that era to make such a judgment.
 
You regularly exchange blood with your friends?

The people I share drugs with I also share most things with and engage in activities with some that could potentially involve blood exchange. I can't live in fear of contracting an illness as a result of sharing notes, it just doesn't seem terribly critical.



On Erowid, I think they have an article discussing marijuana myths and one of them is that potency has changed since the 1960's... their counter-point is that there isn't enough research from that era to make such a judgment.

Not exactly what I intended. I'm aware of the myth you mention. I would think in that case people would be just smoking less now anyway. But what I am talking about, and what Sam seems to be talking about is the idea that modern hydroponic growing methods mixed with common fertilizers and pesticides results in a product that is more harmful to your health.
 
Yeah well I don't really buy into the theory that hydro weed is worse for you. For a start, pesticide is probably not required in most hydro setups (unless it was huge scale). As for being chock full of fertilisers - well I think a plant will just take what it can get and convert it. You eat hydroponic tomatoes and lettuces right?

Regardless, I haven't seen bush weed for nearly ten years! And it was probably more harmful, because you'd smoke way too much to get a decent high.
 
The people I share drugs with I also share most things with and engage in activities with some that could potentially involve blood exchange. I can't live in fear of contracting an illness as a result of sharing notes, it just doesn't seem terribly critical.

I see... personally using my own bank note and not sharing is just so easy not to risk otherwise, especially since I don't know who my friends have been sharing things with.

Not exactly what I intended. I'm aware of the myth you mention. I would think in that case people would be just smoking less now anyway. But what I am talking about, and what Sam seems to be talking about is the idea that modern hydroponic growing methods mixed with common fertilizers and pesticides results in a product that is more harmful to your health.

Ah OK, I see what you meant... I'd have no idea on this front, though expothead is right in that we eat a lot of hydroponic foods with no adverse effects so far. Unless a set-up is really dodgy I'm not too concerned.

ETA: I should point out I smoke weed once a year, hence why I'm not too concerned. =D
 
Indeed we eat plenty of hydroponic foods but that is within legal markets with safety guidelines regulations by people that have legal liability if their food is dangerous. Care will be taken to use chemicals that are not hazardous.

The issue isn't actually hydroponic growing methods. It is really more to do with the growing philosophies of the commercial growers who supply the vast majority of weed in Australia. That is; fast, cheap and full yields. It just so happens that hydroponics are the best way to do this, so it gets tangled together.

Another argument for legalization I would say, the same argument used for legalization of ecstasy. Better product, less problems.
 
I have to say, for newbies, "take half of what you are offered" is bloody good advice and even for regular users who don't test, taking a half before you spend the night dropping many is a good way to start!
 
Wait a minute....

DON'T SMOKE HYDRO??!?!

And you fucks are AGREEING with him?

Ah well, I beg to differ

Wait one moment. I never said DON'T smoke hydro. What I said is that there MAY be a link between the growing methodology of commercial growers and the presence of comparatively harmful substances in pot.

By all means smoke hydro, I obviously have no problem with drug use. Besides, who am I to tell you not to? Heck, I share notes with friends when taking drugs despite having a deviated septum which is very prone to bleeding. I'm starting to think it's a real bad idea though.
 
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