NEWS: 30-1-10 Ectasy tablets kills more Australians

[contrast dismissal]

On average about 10 Australians die every day as a result of alcohol consumption.

It is a health calamity that affects the lives of so many.

The Australian National Council on Drugs has found that 230,000 children have a parent or carer who drinks excessively.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6708533.stm


Need i say more?

I just can't imagine daddy getting home, popping 5 or six 20mg pills of medical MDMA, yelling at the tv for 3 hours, and then beating poor 12yr old Jessica.
I just can't see it. Educate, legalise, and remove the stigma of "Oh no, its a drugs!" surrounding mdma... one can dream

 

[rolls_]

I just can't imagine daddy getting home, popping 5 or six 20mg pills of medical MDMA, yelling at the tv for 3 hours, and then beating poor 12yr old Jessica.
I just can't see it. Educate, legalise, and remove the stigma of "Oh no, its a drugs!" surrounding mdma... one can dream

The problem is he would be hugging poor Jessica for 3 hours if such drug were legal.

 

[Sustanon]

my gf, always vomits on come up (on a good dose/pill) - I am sure I read somewhere it is a link between the gag reflex and the serotonin release or something like that. For me I find good MD/pill a great laxative about 10 mins before it hits me I will be clearing my bowels thanks to the MD.

Or was that too much information?????

ahahaha i need to go to the toilet on the comeup too. Usually im sitting on the toilet with my face in my palm thinking how fucked i will be in a few mins lol

 

[baysieguy1]

ahahaha i need to go to the toilet on the comeup too. Usually im sitting on the toilet with my face in my palm thinking how fucked i will be in a few mins lol

This!

I just can't imagine daddy getting home, popping 5 or six 20mg pills of medical MDMA, yelling at the tv for 3 hours, and then beating poor 12yr old Jessica.
I just can't see it. Educate, legalise, and remove the stigma of "Oh no, its a drugs!" surrounding mdma... one can dream

and THIS!

The stigma surrounding drugs is our biggest problem to get effective main stream HR in Australia, John (oh let me be the vice president of the ICC) fuck stick Howard and his croney government and their "JUST SAY NO" policy has put Australia back many years. The idiots in charge of our blessed country think that if the US of A do it, IT MUST BE RIGHT.

Australia is definitely heading backwards in its laws and attitudes, the main problem being that they are being pushed by massive corporates rather than the people.

Everyone who knows anything about drugs knows that there are more harmful substances freely available to the public, substances that the government gets a nice tax kickback from.

Maybe this story should read "Ecstasy tablets kill more Australians . . . . . . than those that die through time travel"
It is a nonsense story just increasing the fear within parents who have not bothered to learn anything other than the grabage pumped out by our governments and media over the last 10 years.

 

[belarki]

^ yeh it's ridiculous. More people commited suicide in hospital in QLD than died from MDMA last year. Is hospital food more fatal than ecstacy? hhmmmm.....

 

[expothead]

The stigma surrounding drugs is our biggest problem to get effective main stream HR in Australia, John (oh let me be the vice president of the ICC) fuck stick Howard and his croney government and their "JUST SAY NO" policy has put Australia back many years. The idiots in charge of our blessed country think that if the US of A do it, IT MUST BE RIGHT.

Australia is definitely heading backwards in its laws and attitudes, the main problem being that they are being pushed by massive corporates rather than the people.

Everyone who knows anything about drugs knows that there are more harmful substances freely available to the public, substances that the government gets a nice tax kickback from.

Maybe this story should read "Ecstasy tablets kill more Australians . . . . . . than those that die through time travel"
It is a nonsense story just increasing the fear within parents who have not bothered to learn anything other than the garbage pumped out by our governments and media over the last 10 years.

i liked your post so much, i thought it worth repeating.

 

[sj227]

i wuld have thought that smart corporates, especially the big pharma co's would be leaning on the gov to go legal, because that would open up a massive revenue stram for them

 

[sj227]

If it were only that easy!!!! Dealers come and go and so does the supply chain but for me who only dabbles every now and then these days it's hard to find.....especially as I have lived in 3 different cities over the last 10 years.......it's always a case of starting at the bottom and working you way up and earning trust that you can find a good dealer/'s. It's even harder when you are not out clubbing etc week in week out.

totally know what you mean. we only go out about once a month, so arnt in 'the scene' and have just moved to Sydney.

im loathed at having to build up all the contacts that took me 5 yrs before. door lists, bouncers, promoters, and of course a dealer i can trust. it almost seems like too much effort

 

[baysieguy1]

i wuld have thought that smart corporates, especially the big pharma co's would be leaning on the gov to go legal, because that would open up a massive revenue stram for them

The stigma associated with Ecstasy is too great now for the pharmas to turn it around. MDMA is most unlikely to be made legal in my lifetime. The only hope is that personal use is decriminalised and that a new "generic" MDMA is made available through some sort of legalisation.

 

[Sustanon]

The stigma associated with Ecstasy is too great now for the pharmas to turn it around. MDMA is most unlikely to be made legal in my lifetime. The only hope is that personal use is decriminalised and that a new "generic" MDMA is made available through some sort of legalisation.

Just imagine how safer it would be. Does the government really care about us? They would minimize harm by a pretty big percentage and they would make alot of tax on it too.

 

[team gong]

I dont understand how they can put these "ecstasy" deaths down to MDMA... ffs none of the pills out are pure MDMA...
"what did he/she take?" "a pill" "ok write that one down as an ecstasy death, so that's death by MDMA"
yeh fkn right...

Clueless fkn media/pollies/LE/society.... it's dirty pills that kill, it's mixing drugs, it's mixing drugs with alcohol... pure MDMA, lol.. stop making these ridiculous claims, world.

 

[team gong]

Yeah it seems to depend on the person. I've never felt even remotely nauseous on MDMA, but I know some people that seem to throw up when it kicks in every time.

On powder? shards? Or pills?

Usually the binder in a pill will make people that get nauseous, nauseous.
But 100% MDMA powder... Remote I guess...

I know on 100% MDMA, i roll smooth... on recent (past 4 years) pills, I will dry reach as i'm coming up.

 

[phase_dancer]

I dont understand how they can put these "ecstasy" deaths down to MDMA... ffs none of the pills out are pure MDMA...
"what did he/she take?" "a pill" "ok write that one down as an ecstasy death, so that's death by MDMA"

If a forensic toxicologist determines death to be caused by a single drug e.g. MDMA, it means just that. Saying someone died from MDMA when it was in fact caused by something else is fraud, and it makes no sense that someone in this position would risk his/her career like this. Whether the truth is misconstrued or purposely misrepresented by someone other than the toxicologist is another thing altogether. Death from MDMA alone may be rare thing, but it does happen.

 

[team gong]

But when they say 100's die from it? That's more what I'm talking about... That it seems a bit fantastical to overexaggerate.

I did not make my statement in the best way

 

[Jakeperson]

Does the government really care about us?

Hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, no.

 

[becam]

totally know what you mean. we only go out about once a month, so arnt in 'the scene' and have just moved to Sydney.

im loathed at having to build up all the contacts that took me 5 yrs before. door lists, bouncers, promoters, and of course a dealer i can trust. it almost seems like too much effort

at least I'm still good for when I go back to Melbourne or Adelaide........just not willing to fly with stuff to bring back with me anymore......to risky.

 

[helohihello]

i wuld have thought that smart corporates, especially the big pharma co's would be leaning on the gov to go legal, because that would open up a massive revenue stram for them

The only thing is that Big Pharma is making way too much money off anti-depressants, which you have to buy every month. Whereas one dose of MDMA and a counseling session will relieve depression possibly forever. Or at least for a few months at the least. They also prescribe anti-depressants for PTSD which every one probably knows MDMA cures.

 

[lil angel15]

Any reference material to back up your argument?

 

[De quincy]

^^ Also I don't think the legal patent on MDMA would be available as the patent owned by Merck has lapsed, although I'm no legal expert when it comes to drug patents. I assume that if it was legal or regulated and with no single company owning it therefore the potential monopoly on the drug would not exist...... possibly?

 

[phase_dancer]

Whereas one dose of MDMA and a counseling session will relieve depression possibly forever. Or at least for a few months at the least. They also prescribe anti-depressants for PTSD which every one probably knows MDMA cures.

The thing you've left out here, is that effectiveness of MDMA in treating PTSD seems to be compromised by past experience with the drug. It is one of the major concerns even Shulgin had when widespread recreational use of MDMA first occurred, as using the drug in this context negates the effectiveness if it's later used in a therapeutic setting.

As all users of MDMA know, the first few MDMA experiences (at around the rec therapeutic dose of 120mg (+booster) ) are usually profound experiences for most people. Many people often talk of chasing that original high, as with subsequent use - even spaced months or years later - the initial "magic" is simply not there. Yes, is will still result in vesicle mediated 5HT release, and the accompanying euphoria, but from a clinical psychologists POV, it's the MDMA naïve patient that responds best to the drug when used as an adjunct therapy to counseling, particularly in cases involving PTSD. Check out the work done by José Carlos Bouso and Marcela Ot'alora (incl presentations at State of Ecstasy conference 2001, if you can find it).

That's not to say MDMA hasn't a place in adjunct psychotherapy with those who have used it previously, only that in many cases, it's not as likely to be as effective. There's also the concern regarding the surfacing of repressed memories when MDMA is taken out of a clinical environment. Marcela's own story is an example of how this can go terribly wrong, and I have witnessed similar things in people who've tried MDMA for the first time.