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NEWS : 10.7.09 - Police warning on 'lethal' ecstasy

SS alone can be life threatening, but when it occurs in a controlled environment with known drugs, it can be monitored and safely bring the patient back to normal. This usually requires stopping the medication in question, treating symptoms, and monitoring the patient.

The problem that we are facing here in terms of HR is that people are not aware of the contents of the pills they take, and are far less likely to go to the hospital because of their illegal activities than someone being treated by a doctor. Yes SS occurs in general practice!

I think a test kit for BZP is the next step. PD?

Maybe a standard sheet to fill out if you arrive at the hospital with problems:

Did you consume:
1. Alcohol? (Y/N)
2. Pills (Was the contents known) Check pill reports for ideas? (Y/N)
3. Opiates (Y/N)
4. G (Y/N)
5. K (Y/N)
6. LSD (Y/N)
7. MJ (Y/N)
8. Meth (Y/N)
7. Research Chemicals (Y/N)
8. Combination of 1-7?

Either you or your friends could fill this out and it would give the doctors something to work with. It would also highlight the problematic drugs, and maybe, just maybe we could get the word out to the general public that mixing drugs is a bad idea.

Just remember kiddies, life is far more important than a night on the pills.
 
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These pressers really are evil fucking bastards. It is one thing to be dishing out shit pills, it is another when they make dangerous combinations like this. Realistically it probably isn't even THAT dangerous as enough people would of undoubtedly done it and there hasn't been an overdose epidemic or anything.

LSD and marijuana seem to be the only markets that the people making/growing and distributing their product often do actually give a fuck about the consumers experience.

If I was a pill maker I would get a buzz out of pressing really good pills and knowing that everyone who took them would have a great night. The fuckers putting shit like this out should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Yeah you'd think so. If profit is an issue just up the price, I'd happily pay twice the current street price for pills I know contain a solid dose of MDMA and no adulterants.
 
Posted on July 16, 2009, 9:54 pm by yzpila
I'm in BRISBANE,just letting everyone know i just saw some big, thick, really shiny, stinky(smelled like aniseed) whitish coloured bacardi bats, looked similiar but weren't green, so i tested em with both mandelan/marquis with no reaction at all, i was sus on them containing pips because they were sweetish when licked plus they stank really bad and not ur normal mdma smell.(aniseed) yeah yeah i know sometimes good pills can smell like aniseed too but these were either duds or pips, SO STAY AWAY FROM WHITE BATS, BIG THICK AND STINKY. OH AND REALLY SHINY.(indication of pips.) White bats are duds or piperazine, There was no way i was gonna buy these.
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http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=17530

I knew they would press different color ones ... fucking cock smokers they are !!!! I hope police catch up with these fucktards real soon...
 
The tester will show a positive result for MDMA. There currently is no tests that show BZP and related piperzines however.
 
Someone needs to invent one already, come on people can't be that hard!
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If you dig into the chemistry involved in developing reagents, you'll see that inventing tests for some compounds is no easy task.

This wiki page will give you an intro to coloured compounds.


A-level Applied Science/Colour Chemistry/Colour


In attempting to develop reagent tests for drugs, we first need to understand the basic concepts in order to be able to predict if a colourant will be formed from a given reaction.

The initial plan is to target certain functional group. These may include phenols, aromatic rings, carbonyl groups and basic nitrogens (e.g. primary secondary or tertiary amines). As many drugs contain more than one type of functional group, the chemistry involved can get quite complex, with multiple reactions often occurring. With Marquis reagent the coloured compounds produced are dyes rather than pigments. Organic dyes behave as they do due to pi orbitals and work by absorbing light (from transition of electrons between molecular orbitals. What you see reflected is the complement part of the spectrum to the absorbed light.


Many compounds don't appear to produce colour, although absorption occurs at lower UV wavelengths ( i.e. at the higher energy end and just outside of the visible spectrum). To generate colour, lower energy transitions (i.e. energy gaps) are required. Just briefly, to lower the energy a conjugate is often produced where pi bonds are created. Compounds known as auxochromes can also be introduced which alter the absorption wavelengths of the compounds produced, the so called bathochromic shift. Auxochromes can also improve intensity.

Parts of the colourant molecule involved in absorption are termed chromophores. Each chromophore has an absorption wavelength. Following what's known as the Woodward Fieser rules, for a particular combination of chromophores in a given target molecule, wavelength of absorption can be reasonably accurately predicted, although this is not always an easy task.

So, while some applications of the older reagents were likely found with a hit and miss approach, this is hardly likely the case when developing specific reagents, although in what might seem a contradictory statement, the exact mechanisms of many common reagent reactions aren't known. This is due to the reactive nature of many intermediates, which makes isolation and elucidation extremely difficult.

I've merely touched on this subject, and to go further we need to address a lot, and in way more depth. I started such a project some years ago, a sort of treatise on presumptive tests, so if there's enough interest I might dig it out and look at finishing it. Note to self -- add that to the list :\.
 
the following was performed under the supervision of a qualified doctor incase any off you get worried about harm reduction

i have consumed bzp and mdma before as a kind of physical experiment, i regularly ingest 125-200mg of pureish mdma in a night i know its fairly pure as i perform an acetone wash on everything i consume.

i had 100mg of benzylpiperazine and 50mg of mdma in a capsule the feelings where quite odd it felt like a normal mdma come up but the feeling quickly moved to an almost methamphetamine high. It was very intense lasting around 6 hours, i was having visuals which i normally dont get even when i comsume high amounts of mdma, the feelings the next day were something i certainly didn't enjoy i had a terrible head ache and stomach pains if anyone wants any more info on this i can provide it.

happy rolling =D
 
the following was performed under the supervision of a qualified doctor incase any off you get worried about harm reduction
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Wow! Where can we get one ;) I remember watching a NZ party pills doco where a Dr supervised a group that took piperazines. He reported that although BP and heart rate were up slightly, it wasn't considered dangerous. Did your Dr perform regular checks on your vitals? I'm interested to hear whether these were consistent with either a MDMA or BZP only experience.
 
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Wow! Where can we get one ;) I remember watching a NZ party pills doco where a Dr supervised a group that took piperazines. He reported that although BP and heart rate were up slightly, it wasn't considered dangerous. Did your Dr perform regular checks on your vitals? I'm interested to hear whether these were consistent with either a MDMA or BZP only experience.
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the doctor is a good friend from school we both have a keen interest in organic chemistry =D

my heart rate at rest normally is 65-70bpm
that night it ranged from 120bpm to a max of 180 (after being on the dance floor for a long period) which worried him alittle over all it didnt feel so bad i was very thirsty the entire time tho which if i hadnt been limiting my water consumption def would have lead in water intoxication
 
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