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newbie, husband addicted to lope for at least 5 years

SOaddictedtolope

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been lurking, finally became a member, saying hi.......my husband is addicted to lope for at least 5 years, used it to get off opiates, got addicted to it, stayed on just lope for about a year, then got back on opiates to get off lope, now on both for about 4 years, fun fun fun.........mainly i worry that it will kill him, probably takes about 100 lope a day, some days more some days less.........i try really hard to disassociation from the whole thing but some days i still obsess about the whole damn thing.........don't even know what i'm looking for here except to vent when i need to, i only have 3 people in my life that i talk to about this.......good to meet you all!!!
 
Hey, @SOaddictedtolope - Welcome to Bluelight :)

Feel free to vent anywhere, particularly in The Dark Side where others have addiction struggles. But I must ask, what is lope? Is it slang for heroin? Or the antidiarrhea medication loperamide??

Thanks for seeking help for your husband - I'm sure he loves you very much.
 
Lope is loperamide, which comes in 2 mg tablets . . . it was invented by Dr Paul Janssen at the eponymous pharmaceutical company in the early 1960s and became available in Europe and made a US CSA 1970 Schedule II Narcotic controlled substance in 1973, the USA in May1976, where it was moved to Schedule V in July 1978, and decontrolled in April 1982. It is a 4-phenylpiperidine synthetic opioid related to pethidine, alphaprodine, piritramide, isomethadone, and normethadone. High doses cause central narcotic effects including euphoria and analgesia, but it is known to cause cardiac arrhythmias and may have a connexion to some types of anaemia. It can arguably be called a substituted prodine, and like many but not all 4-phenylpiperidine opioids has neurotoxic metabolites which can accumulate -- one of these is LPP, which is the loperamide analogue of MPTP, the Parkinsons-inducing impurity found in attempted and in some cases ostensibly successful synthesis of MPPP or desmethylprodine.

So 200 mg a day is not good -- also let him know that the loperamide is blunting the physical and mental and other effects of the other narcotics in a fashion not unlike that of methadone, so jettisoning the loperamide may very well be easier than he expects. If he actually likes the feeling of loperamide compared to other narcotics, there are the other two members of its chemical and structural subfamily, diphenoxylate (Lomotil) and difenoxin (Motofen, Lyspafen) which have a more favourable CNS : peripheral : digestive system actions ratio and have a steeper dose-response curve and enter the CNS more readily -- cimetidine and omeprazole and a more direct potentiator like promethazine, hydroxyzine, cyclizine, or meclozine will stretch out a supply and make what he takes work better, then the gradual or stepwise reduction can begin.

Compared to loperamide and other narcotics of that type, morphine has very low toxicity an is extremely useful as can be seen in the fact that it was the main treatment for hypertension before the invention of beta blockers, allergies (along with Bolivian Marching Powder and speed) before the antihistamines, depression and anxiety before the psych meds of today came into use, and has never realy been replaced as an analgesic, anti-diarrhoeal, or antitussive action, the improvements on the latter are all narcotics . . .

Most of the natural and semi-synthetic opioids share the low relative toxicity of morphine, which can allow the habitués and addicts not only to lead a relatively productive lives but, provided that normal measures are taken for other things like nutrition and so forth, have a decent chance of adding to the user's lifespan . . . narcotic habituation careers measured in decades are well known, and the longest one amongst people I know was 101 years and 10 months on morphine; I'm about halfway there myself and I have had family members injured in combat or when fighting fires who are also on things like morphine, hydromorphone, oxymorphone, dihydromorphine &c and have been on narcotics round the clock for up to 65 years.
 
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Your husband will lose his large colon and possibly end up with a colostomy bag if he keeps that up.


He would be better off on bloody methadone, anything else except bloody loperamide.

Blokes are stubborn bastards when it comes to health so unlikely anything except a scare from a colonoscopy exam will do any good, seriously mate they give out dvd of the procedure and I'll bet he has melanosis coli by now and his plumbing is as useless as a bald tyre .


Don't know what to tell ya about addiction and partners as often you're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't do anything.

He might not die from this (hopefully) but yes he will lose his bowel and will have to stop using it then anyway so may as well get him into maintenance programs for opiates.
 
totally damned if i do and damned if i don't......i've tried all sorts of things and do understand that there is nothing at this point i can do, he knows i know, i've told him how bad this is, he's read on it and he knows as well. there's nothing that can be done until he "wants" to stop this......sure he says he hates it and wants to stop but........i haven't seen any real attempts to this date. so what are the signs/symptoms to watch for re: his bowels.......he's probably due for his next "routine" colonoscopy in a few years, i know he takes a laxative to be able to poop, not really sure of how often he takes that. he has urinary retention in which i thought was from a lower back surgery, however, from what i've read, it's probably from the loperamide, his hands shake, me.....thought other stuff but then read it's probably from the loperamide. he is in his early 50's and had two lacunar infarcts at 51 years old.
 
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