I'm new to meth, please help me understand if I am being paranoid and these comedowns with such intense crazy symptoms are normal for every usage like I have experienced or I am actually putting myself at more severe risk than the average user. I have tried using crystal orally in small doses daily but every time without exception I wind up with these crazy symptoms during comedowns, even when I only take as low as 70mg in a day. Based on everything I have read online it seems to me my symptoms suggest it is obvious I have been overamping every time I use. I have not done any drugs or stimulants ever except coke in a long time until just the beginning of last month, when I was offered meth and tried it for the first time. My first experience with meth 3 or 4 weeks ago was very bad and wound up binging for 5 days snorting multiple grams over the course of 5 days. I did this out of ignorance having only used coke in the past and treating it as such, not knowing about the wild difference in potency. After that I took a week or so break and have since been attempting to use it moderation. I copped an eighth of crystal and a mg scale and have been weighing out 70-125mg daily dosages and only consuming them orally. Ive been doing this for almost two weeks now consecutively, giving myself only one rest day not using between 3-5 days of consecutive usage at the most. My comorbidity's are pretty bad hypertension from being overweight most of my life and currently being 100 lbs overweight, I have included some more context & personal history at the bottom of this post.
Timeline of each day I use is as follows...
- First dose of the day will be between .04g & .06g and that will make me feel nice for about 2 hours or so.
- My second dose will be about the same 3-5 hours after the first one, the pleasantness of the second dose is not as nice, nor lasts as long as the first.
- I start to really come down around 5-7 hours after the first dose and at the point I take my third and final dose which can be from .02g to .04g. The third usually does not do much and sometimes even brings on worse comedown symptoms quicker, even bringing on the chest pains, brain fog and tingles right within minutes of administration.
- Anywhere from immediately to a couple hours after the third dose I am in a full blown comedown experiencing the symptoms listed below. It's so intense it seems obvious to me by reading other user experiences that I am overamping.
Every single time I have done this routine I have wound up with the same crazy comedown where I am experiencing such intense symptoms that I am tempted to be scared to die and my heart and body is acting crazy. This has happened so far every time I have used, regardless of the smaller dosage and even if I get 5 or 6 hours of sleep a night and drink so much water I'm pissing clear, even for being on meth. I am not mixing any other substances, no meds, not even weed no alcohol.
Here are my symptoms, which is what I believe is me overamping:
- High/Wildly swinging resting heart rate It goes from well over 100 to as low as 50 in a short period of time (see below)
- Crazy heart palpitations Also possibly an irregular heart beat? My heart vibrates and rumbles like an Xbox controller in my chest. It definitely feels irregular but I can't tell...
- Numb hands and feet
- Vision goes blurry at times
- Tingling/Buzzing sensations all over my body Especially my brain and down to the bottom of the back of my neck at the top of my spine (intense brain buzzing, its very unsettling).
- Chest pains They start out just being like an acute sharp pain that is mild but very noticeable but can get worse. At worst it can feel like I am having a mild charley horse in the center of my chest, though I also get pains on both the left & right sides too and It's hard to say whether they are acute or radiating. They are sharp pains localized to whatever area of my chest they strike, which makes me think it is acute and not the radiating kind that comes from a heart attack. However I also often feel that weird tightness in other parts of my body like my jaw and head or arms and legs simultaneously. The thing is when that happens its not the same kind of pain in the other areas of my body as the sharp pain in my chest so I cant tell if that is radiating from my chest because of a heart attack or it's just the buzzing/tingle sensations, which I have on and off throughout the whole experience even when I am not feeling the chest pains.
- Shocks and pains I get them all over my body but most commonly in my stomach and kidneys.
- Bad cramps Especially in my left leg.
- Brain fog I cant think straight or hold conversations.
- Chills I get really cold, like shivering.
Let me explain my heart rate situation;
At times when I feel my chest I can count like 150bpm or more sometimes but my heart seriously like rumbles sometimes a video game controller when this happens so It is hard to tell. I've been using multiple heart apps that use the flash and camera with your finger and they tell a different story. When I feel my heart in my chest beating at 150bpm or more and then immediately use the apps, each app will give a number in the same general area but its always way lower like 70ish or 90ish and at most 110ish never over 120. Even when I get a reading at 111 or something, then not even minutes later they will all be telling me I'm at 50-60bpm. Ive read that a rapidly fluctuating HR is common with meth so again I am just trying to gauge whether I am actually doing way more damage than I think I am and my heart rate has legit been at 150bpm+ for multiple days in a row which is obviously not sustainable. I am aware that high heart rate is common with meth use and people use this stuff for years, again I am just trying to figure out if these symptoms are more serious than what the average user experiences. Idk how people could do this stuff daily for years if the experiences I am having is normal. Even right after I feel my heart beating so fast. I am not sure if I am interpreting what I am feeling correctly when I put my hand on my heart and I am not sure if these apps are just insanely inaccurate, some googling tells me they are relatively accurate so IDK.
On top of all of that there are just overall horrible feelings and paranoia, which I know are normal for any comedown. Its miserable but I stay lucid enough to think critically and fight it for the most part throughout each of these horrible episodes. I understand that some of these symptoms are normal with meth use and although they are not good signs, people experience them all the time and use meth for years. My crazy heart rate and and palpitations/rumbling along with the intense brain buzzing and severe chest pains is what makes me think this is much less sustainable. I have no reference point for any of this as I said I am brand new to this stuff. Obviously I just had that week of craziness when I first tried this stuff and put my heart and whole body through an extreme experience only 3 week ago and have been using daily for 3-5 days at time with lower doses since. Now that I have over a week of experience doing this small dosing the results are concerning. When your experiencing real physical symptoms described above that's not paranoia. I try to keep myself level headed even during the worst of the comedowns but even now sober there seems reason to be concerned when I look at how severe the symptoms are. I know this stuff effects everyone differently which is why I am trying to get some feed back on here. I know you guys cant diagnose me through the internet just give me what you information you can. I had my heart checked in the spring before all this and the weight gain and as always there were no issuse. Having gone through this last month however I am going to go to the ER for a heart checkup. I am on unsupervised probation and its likely nothing will come of it but I dont want to go to the doctor or ER for a heart checkup until this stuff is out of my system enough to pass a urine screening just in case. Doctor's & ER's violate HIPPA policy all the time and I dont want to take a risk, so I am going to wait 5 days and then go get an EKG and whatever else they do. If everything checks out I guess I am going to to try this again and set my daily max to 60, 70mg instead 70-150mg. I will likely update this thread when I do....
I don't mean to be long winded but here is some pretty important personal history & surrounding context to consider. I appreciate your time, all of you who who post a response...
I am 33, male, 6 ft. 1 and 360lbs (was 380 a month ago before starting to use). I only started using simulants (only coke) for a 6 month period over a year ago, then quit. Other than that I tried Addy's for the first time last spring for a couple weeks but they were not potent enough for me and wound up taking way too much so I didn't continue usage. Other than that and a dozen or so times experimenting at parties throughout my 20s I have never done anything expect smoke weed & Newports... which I have done pretty regularly since a teen but I quit even that and have not been a smoker for almost 2 years. About 3 or 4 weeks ago I was offered some coke and gave in for the first time in quite a while. They only had a little bit though and the the comedown came quick and left me very unsettled and when that happened I was offered crystal meth. At first, I refused it... but my comedown was bad and I had remembered researching science about amphetamines after trying the addys and figured that meth is essentially just much more potent Adderall, so decided to try it insufflating not smoking. As stated I was unaware of how potent this stuff was and only had coke as reference point so I wound up doing it like coke chasing the high and taking way too much. I must have snorted 1-2 grams in just the first two days alone
and as a first time user who hasn't done any drugs in a long time. I wound up seeing the shadow people by day two and melting walls by day four (I have never hallucinated before). Like I said it was a horrible experience and I was already in a miserable place, I kept doing it for 5 days and in that time got maybe 15 hours or so of sleep in that time, needless to say, it was a very bad time.
After my initial horrible experience my first week doing meth a few weeks ago I did some research. I realized I had taken way too much, especially for a noob. I decided to try to see if I can use it in moderation since this stuff is so much more efficient than coke and also cheaper. When I was doing coke I could go through a 3.5g bag in 2 or 3 days but I have not even gone through half of a 3.5g bag of this stuff in almost two weeks plus its not even as expensive. For the first time I am able to actually try a stimulant diet the way I want to without money being an issue. So I got a mg scale and I weighed out anywhere from 70mg to 125 mg each day, wayyyyyyy less than what I had done my first week. I also stopped insufflating and have only been using orally, since from what I gathered online that seemed to be the safest and most effective method. If this stuff is way more unsustainably toxic for daily use then that is an obvious reason not to continue this experiment and I will quit but I am obviously paranoid when the symptoms happen during comedowns and when you read bluelight & reddit forums people always say "Yeah comedown symptoms can look the same as OD/Overamp dont trust google when your tweaking just calm down". I am super confused though because people use meth daily for months and some consistently for years, maybe they overamp here and there but not
EVERYTIME THEY USE right???? Even when reflecting upon my experience afterward when I am sober, I'm not sure if m experience is suggestive that I I am really at greater risk somehow, or its just paranoia from tweaking. I cant tell because all I have to go off is my experience and what I find online reading user experience forums and in other literature... and all of that makes me think there is a major issue i.e. I have a bad batch, am doing something wrong, or just predisposed to not be able to handle this drug physically either from genetics or more likely my current pre-existing heart health. During that first horrible week my heart rate was at 150-190bpm for days in a row but seeing as I was taking way too much at that time, that makes sense. Why am I having very similar experiences every time use, even if I take much smaller doses? I am wondering if I did a number on my heart during that first week and now even moderate use is too much for me, I really cant say. I took a week or so break before doing this experiment, so far I have not had any symptoms remain after a day or so after ceasing usage. As stated however, even when I do less than 100mg in a day, I get the same crazy symptoms like I did that first week, minus the melting walls and shadow people, except with even worse chest pains than I experienced in that first week.
I am not aware of any genetic predisposition to heart disease, I know I had a great uncle that passed from a heart attack while playing sports like almost 100 years ago, other than that IDK of anything else. However, I should mention on top of being over 100lbs overweight, I have just endured a very bad 3 years filled with even more intense stress than usual (which is bad to begin with). I have been struggling with severe anxiety and depression my whole life, it's just been even worse past three years. Being so overweight most of my life as well as extreme weight fluctuation and severe prolonged stress I know is probably why I have such bad hypertension. That being said though there have been a few seasons in my life when I got in shape and was living a healthy lifestyle... and when I did all health problems went away, the blood sugar issues, the hypertension, sleep apnea... everything goes away once I get under 300 lbs. I have lost over 100 lbs three times in my life naturally with no drugs, just a combination of water fasting, diet and exercise, it was a lot of hard work. The first two times literally going beast mode and losing over 100lbs in like 6 months but this most recent third time more reasonably, in about two years. I just gained 100lbs in like 4 or 5 months this past summer after going from 400lbs in March of 2023 to 275 in March of 2025. That kind of body transformation is life changing for most people but I have struggled with severe depression and when I quit using substances in the past I have turned to food. I know this stuff is not a good idea given that it makes you depressed and anxious but, you can spare me the warning. I am confident I can manage all of this as long as long as I am not putting myself at lethal risk more so than the average user who uses long term. I understand why any of you might say "dude if you did that three times fuck meth just get your shit together" but it's not that simple and that is not the subject of this post, I appreciate our concern though. I will say that it is extremely frustrating being so huge again after fighting so hard so many times to be in good shape and If I can use meth in moderation then I am going to give it a fair chance. I am well aware this stuff is not good for you physically or mentally and have no intention of using it past this experiment. I have put down other potent stimulants like coke after months of use and will do the same here when I reach my goal. Getting high has its moments but I much prefer having joy in life being sober and know that is a thing even though it seems like a distant memory atm, tbh. I had always thought to myself if coke was not so expensive I could use it very effectively for weight loss. I myself have experienced the stimulant diet with cocaine and know how all the weight comes back when you stop using. When it comes to someone like me who is so morbidly obese I consider there may be some usage, regarding it does not kill me in the process. It is very uncommon but methamphetamine is prescribed for obesity under the name "Desoxyn". I figure if I could afford enough coke to lose a significant amount of weight (like over 100 lbs) then it will give me a buffer to get a hold of myself and get back into my old routine fasting, dieting and working out before I gain it all back. I know from experience being in shape doesn't always fix life but it can be a lot easier to get yourself motivated for any given thing when your cut or even just 30lbs overweight and not 130lbs. It may not be as dramatic but I know even without any drugs involved if you fast, diet and exercise and then go right back to binge eating it will come back anyway. I always wanted to try this experiment but so far I never could afford that much coke. I had heard that meth is much cheaper and efficient and now I know that to be true... and with a cleaner high like addy's but more euphoria like coke. Considering that I always wondered if I could use meth for weight loss but I never willingly went out of my way to go try, even after trying Adderall and seeing how effective it was. The addy's were nice but I needed to take hundreds of mgs to make them work like coke, obviously it was not sustainable at all so I stopped using them. Now that I've found myself in this situation where I have experienced meth and can actually do this I would like to use it to lose at least 100 lbs and then gradually get myself back into the serious training routine I have done in the past.
Thanks in advance for any helpful responses, be blessed and be safe out there...
UPDATE 12/15, 1 week later:
I went to the ER and got an EKG, CT Scan & bloodwork. Everything came back normal. My BP was an insane 173/120 and dropped to 147/94 a few hours later when checked again. I got a script for a cpl hypertension meds which I will be sure to keep on top of. I will be trying a 25-30mg dose and see if that is sustainable, Ill keep you guys posted. I appreciate all of your feedback.
