Opioids New to IVing , used wrist vien now swollen bump? help?

[tricomb]

ok no offence intended here, but do you really think the stigma and common stereotype of an IV user will ever change for the better when people, such as yourself, go around dribbling shit like this? sorry but Im just sick to death of people claiming that no matter what the situation, IV drug use will turn your life upside down.. just because you couldnt maintain a healthy, balanced lifestyle after you picked up the needle doesnt mean every single drug user that does get into IV will fuck themselves over aswell...

at the end of the day, addiction is addiction no matter how big or small and it can happen to anyone that uses drugs, no matter how they decide to take them... now Im not saying that your habbit/addiction will not change if you do start injecting, you very well could go off the rails before you know it but really, it all comes down to self control/discipline..

I'm a prime example of someone whos habbit did the complete opposite of everything you just said... before I picked up the needle, I was smoking meth 2/3 days a week, the most I ever have up until now.. within a fortnight of IVin, I was only using once, mabey twice a week and half the amount.. within a couple of months, my usage was down to once or twice a month n has stayed that way every since I had my first shot, over a year ago... I rarely get cravings (I got them all the time when I smoked meth) or feel the need to use on a regular basis.. and Im not the only one, I got a couple of mates that are exactly the same...

all Im tryin to say here is that its very naive for you to claim that itll fuck up your lifestyle purely just because it fucked up yours... when it all comes down to it, if you go off the rails purely because of drug use, there's no one or thing to blame but yourself, fullstop....

Elaborate on how "people, such as me" effect "the stigma and common stereotype of IV users"? I'd like to know exactly what shit I am "dribbling".

You made quite a few assumptions about both myself and what I was saying to the OP. Totally fine to disagree with what I posted, but if your going to make it personal and act like you know me, even say that I'm naive, you should back up your claims.

1) Your last sentence in particular pretty much inferred that I blame the IV ROA for the consequences of my own drug abuse, which is not even close to being true. I'm well aware of my extensive history of substance abuse, and I won't pretend to know anything more about you or your history of substance abuse besides what you posted.

2) The OP's DOC may be methamphetamine, but this thread is about IV heroin, which is an entirely different beast. I think your 1 year of experience shooting methamphetamine is irrelevant and doesn't prove anything to the OP.

3) That's great that all YOU needed was "self control / discipline" and that you have been able to function for a year since your first shot of methamphetamine, but what does that have to do with anything at all? Sounds more like famous last words if you ask me, right up there with "I have a naturally high tolerance" and "I don't have an addictive personality."

All in all, I think that you put a lot of words in my mouth. As a former-IV addict, I am very well aware that intelligent intravenous drug addicts can take steps to minimize the damage being done to their bodies. I just don't think that it is at all relevant to be defending the IV ROA, and given the circumstances, I would even go as far as to say it is inappropriate. It is extremely rare and exceedingly difficult for intravenous drug abusers to break that habit once it's been established.

Take that "all you need is self-control/discipline" speech down to the methadone clinic, or over at the needle exchange, NA meetings, see how much harm you can reduce with that approach.

If it was as easy as self-control, drug addiction would not be such a problem. That's why the harm reduction concept we advocate here on BL is so damn important, a chance to make some positive change and help out.

I'm pretty much the ONLY person I've met who has been able to quit the IV ROA, and it hasn't even been 3 years yet since I stopped shooting up. Why do you think that we all take this subject so damn seriously? People who have quit the IV ROA account for a pretty slim minority. You even claimed that since you started shooting up, your drug abuse decreased! Do you know what kind of message that sends? You are the first person I have ever seen to claim reduced drug intake after switching to IV.

tl;dr, I don't like the advice you gave for a lot of reasons, but mostly because your post could give the thousands of people a false sense of security, including the impressionable OP, not to mention the unregistered daily viewers of this forum. In this scenario, the OP is new to IV. She shot up once and already got her first taste of a missed shot. I believe that the best way to proceed is to fully educate the OP and make sure that they are very well aware about the possible consequences of their actions, and at the same time, give them the best advice possible during their time of need.

I like to think that there is still hope for megan. Her first time did not go well, I think she should take it as a sign, a warning. I think that the way I am handling this situation will reduce more harm vs telling her that as long as she maintains discipline, she'll be alright. If you ask me, that is naive.

Addiction may be addiction no matter how you slice it, but opioid addiction is extremely different from amphetamine addiction, and in all seriousness, your year or so of light methamphetamine abuse is not at all relevant. The highs, withdrawal symptoms, cravings, ongoing treatment and maintenance, even the lifestyles lead by the users are extremely different.

 

[Tony Williams]

I will say this. What you do is your choice. IVing is SERIOUS bussiness. I could detox off heroin, gbl, stims, benzos and all them stupid drugs and cravings to them subside alot - I wont wanna bother. But the needle is far different, you cannot kick the needle - the needle will only kick you.

You know it's working well too, I notice I get offered an extra in movies....... that usually end in ".. of the living dead"

In general you begin at your ARM, then hands that's if you must. What did you shoot Oxycontin? OC isn't worth IVing IME oral+snorting isn't much worse, OC has a very weak rush IVed over H

Also if you are into cocaine/meth or stims then youll be shooting them too - "might as well add some coke to this gear I am doing a shot anyway"

The needle is a liar just as much as heroin and his little money friends, they are lying to you. Next they'll say "you're not a smack 'ed and you aint addicted unless you suck cock or shoot into your neck" you'll feel better and carry on.................. till that day, then they'll lie again.

They lied to me.... find out the facts about drugs bluelight dot ru (stupid anti drugs paradies)

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Elaborate on how "people, such as me" effect "the stigma and common stereotype of IV users"? I'd like to know exactly what shit I am "dribbling".

You made quite a few assumptions about both myself and what I was saying to the OP. Totally fine to disagree with what I posted, but if your going to make it personal and act like you know me, even say that I'm naive, you should back up your claims.

1) Your last sentence in particular pretty much inferred that I blame the IV ROA for the consequences of my own drug abuse, which is not even close to being true. I'm well aware of my extensive history of substance abuse, and I won't pretend to know anything more about you or your history of substance abuse besides what you posted.

2) The OP's DOC may be methamphetamine, but this thread is about IV heroin, which is an entirely different beast. I think your 1 year of experience shooting methamphetamine is irrelevant and doesn't prove anything to the OP.

3) That's great that all YOU needed was "self control / discipline" and that you have been able to function for a year since your first shot of methamphetamine, but what does that have to do with anything at all? Sounds more like famous last words if you ask me, right up there with "I have a naturally high tolerance" and "I don't have an addictive personality."

All in all, I think that you put a lot of words in my mouth. As a former-IV addict, I am very well aware that intelligent intravenous drug addicts can take steps to minimize the damage being done to their bodies. I just don't think that it is at all relevant to be defending the IV ROA, and given the circumstances, I would even go as far as to say it is inappropriate. It is extremely rare and exceedingly difficult for intravenous drug abusers to break that habit once it's been established.

Take that "all you need is self-control/discipline" speech down to the methadone clinic, or over at the needle exchange, NA meetings, see how much harm you can reduce with that approach.

If it was as easy as self-control, drug addiction would not be such a problem. That's why the harm reduction concept we advocate here on BL is so damn important, a chance to make some positive change and help out.

I'm pretty much the ONLY person I've met who has been able to quit the IV ROA, and it hasn't even been 3 years yet since I stopped shooting up. Why do you think that we all take this subject so damn seriously? People who have quit the IV ROA account for a pretty slim minority. You even claimed that since you started shooting up, your drug abuse decreased! Do you know what kind of message that sends? You are the first person I have ever seen to claim reduced drug intake after switching to IV.

tl;dr, I don't like the advice you gave for a lot of reasons, but mostly because your post could give the thousands of people a false sense of security, including the impressionable OP, not to mention the unregistered daily viewers of this forum. In this scenario, the OP is new to IV. She shot up once and already got her first taste of a missed shot. I believe that the best way to proceed is to fully educate the OP and make sure that they are very well aware about the possible consequences of their actions, and at the same time, give them the best advice possible during their time of need.

I like to think that there is still hope for megan. Her first time did not go well, I think she should take it as a sign, a warning. I think that the way I am handling this situation will reduce more harm vs telling her that as long as she maintains discipline, she'll be alright. If you ask me, that is naive.

Addiction may be addiction no matter how you slice it, but opioid addiction is extremely different from amphetamine addiction, and in all seriousness, your year or so of light methamphetamine abuse is not at all relevant. The highs, withdrawal symptoms, cravings, ongoing treatment and maintenance, even the lifestyles lead by the users are extremely different.

Great post Tri, been a while by the way since we talked.. glad you're at least still off the needle.. hah. Hope all else is goin' well. Again, good post.

 

[down508]

this is why you dont use wrist vein. I'm assuming your talking about the tiny veins in your wrist. you should never stick a needle in those. it doesn't work. that's why you missed your shot. if you must i.v. I suggest the cephalic, take a warm shower first, tie off, and inject slowly, if you feel a burn or even see the injection site bulging slightly stop what you are doing and try again. people get impatient and just push when they see red, this is why so many people miss shots. if anything look at it this way, if you miss the shot not only will you risk infection, but you won't get as high. that's enough of a deterrent for me to keep me from ever missing shots.

it all comes down to self control/discipline..

and this is where you lose all credibility. even those extensively educated in the psych field would laugh at this statement, along with anyone who's suffered from any kind of addiction.