New Rave Drugs Have Experts Concerned

TechnoHead said:
Your a complete idiot if you believe that you can take drugs and not have some type of ill effect on your brain or body.

You made some grammatical mistakes in your post, such as using the wrong form of "you're". Musta been the brain damage from those times you smoked weed a couple of years ago ;)
 
These drugs we are tlaking about(2-CT-7, 2C-B, 2C-I, foxy, etc...) are all still called Reseach Chemicals. That means that WE DON'T KNOW the consequences of taking them. It is NOT a good thing for RCs to be handed out at raves and parties by kids that know little about them. It may not even be wise to take them. I personally have tried many of them. But I knew that I might never return... Many of these kids at parties and raves have no clue. Thats why people died when they took foxy. It is MUCH easier to kill yourself with some RCs than it is with coke or heroin.
I do not think these great substances should be put in a closet and locked away. But responsible use, in a small group of people doing the research that needs to be done is acceptable, and even needed. But until we know that you can't get Parkinsons symptoms it's just not safe. No one should push thses compounds as if they were truly safe.
 
In reply to HobbyIsBowling: Oops! My fingers get typing and I don't check my spelling sometimes. And I've been smoking weed daily for about 15 years, so maybe that does have something to do with it!

In reply to guaatang: Well said. I don't believe these research chemicals should be locked away and never explored, but uneducated kids shouldn't have access to substances that even scientists and chemists don't know the long term effects they could possibly create. Plus, professionals still don't know all the possible long term effects of popular drugs like MDMA, meth, etc. when they are mixed with other substances. I've always made it a priority to research the known dangers, side effects, etc. of anything I've put into my body, but there is still always that level of risk each time you take something that is manufactured in clandestine labs by people that are out just to make money. That is why people around the world have died from PMA. You just never know what you are getting or how it will react with your body. Everyone is different and some people may have underlying conditions they aren't aware of that are accelerated by certain recreational drugs or combination of drugs. I've developed problems sleeping and my doctor has told me that it's from a combination of stimulant use and inconsistant sleeping patterns, which is because i'm a DJ and keep a really weird sleeping schedule. I'm not trying to preach, especially since I still use MDMA, speed (tablets that look just like E in my area), weed and the occasional good beer, but people need to educate themselves about what they are taking and be responsible. Moderation and balance are the keys.
 
~full*bloom~ said:
All I am saying is there should be more information readily available to the masses. More should be taught in schools. Designer drugs haven't been fully researched, and if you think parkinson like diseases are propaganda, you need to pull your head out.

You are referring to MPTP, a by-product of a Meperidine (an opioid) synthesis that went wrong. This is the only "designer drug" I know of that has caused Parkinson's in people taking the Meperidine which has been documented in the literature, no other "designer drug" has caused Parkinson's disease thus far, or you can show me otherwise.
 
Oh FFS people! Why must some of you constantly deny that there could possibly be any negative effects from long term drug use?! You repeatedly say "show me the studies", but you know as well as I that the studies simply aren't out there. There isn't the funding for proper research, even on commonly used drugs, and NIDA seems intent on keeping it that way. To deduce that because their are no studies proving negative effects that there are none is idiocy. Using drugs alters your body's biochemistry temporarily. It puts strain on your body - thus it has an effect. Long term serious effects? Don't know - the facts aren't out there yet - but in the mean time it's inadvisable to completely dismiss anecdotal evidence that bad things may happen!

Education is essential, and research is needed, but in the mean time caution is the most logical and sensible approach! These drugs have not been used on the type of scale as MDMA, LSD, etc, thus there is not the quality or quantity of medical (and anecdotal) evidence out there! We take a risk every time we ingest a chemical, and we know this: even after using testers we have no guarantee of content quality or quantity. To me it makes sense to err on the side of caution with RCs - there are enough better-understood drugs out there to satisfy my psychonautical streak :)

Overall, the article isn't too bad - not full of blatant lies, though I'd like to see it actually call for research.
 
Noone is saying anything like that! Someone is claiming certain drugs can cause Parkinson's disease with unresponsible usage, if this is true or has happened, there SHOULD BE clinical studies about it available (despite the legality of a chemical).
 
Once, (hopefully) you pull your head out and stop using hardcore hallucinagens you will realise that there is going to be long term damage. No matter how you slice it you will suffer damage from use whether a lot or minimal
Your a complete idiot if you believe that you can take drugs and not have some type of ill effect on your brain or body.
yeah, just look at shulguin. he's tried more drugs than anyone on earth and now he's drooling on himself in a wheelchair, trying to remember his own name...

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i don't deny the possibility of ill effects from "heavy" use of research chemicals
actually, i'm convinced some exist for certain drugs, in certain quantities; just as 2c-i seems to be a potential inducer of hppd

but the certainty with which you present the risk is even more naive than the denial you denounce, since there are many cases of users of psychedelics who don't suffer any ill effects whereas the correlation between the use of psychedelics and potential ill effects is still to define

so yes, i'm a complete idiot because i believe that no ill effects will result from my regular and reasonable use of psychedelics
 
vegan said:
yeah, just look at shulguin. he's tried more drugs than anyone on earth and now he's drooling on himself in a wheelchair, trying to remember his own name...
Just for the record, I know that you were being sarcastic, but someone who doesn't know who Dr. shulgin is, or doesn't know his current state of health might take this as "information" rather than sarcasm.

Dr. Shulgin is in fine health, is in his 70's (I believe) and has the same mental lucidity as a young man. And suffers no ill effects from his personal research.
(See: Ask Dr. Shulgin Online)


There is only one recreational drug that I am aware of which is known to cause Parkinson's like symptoms. And this ONLY occurs when taken in massively high (life threatening) doses, and that is methamphetamine. The effect does not appear to be accumulative either, as long term methamphetamine users do not tend to acquire Parkinson's like symptoms.

George "Monkey Slayer" Ricaurte proved this with his "botched(?)" MDMA study that was intended to pass the RAVE Act (how convenient 8) ). Instead of using MDMA in his study, they "accidentally" used methamphetamine, but at doses which would be high for MDMA (methamphetamine is far more potent than MDMA).

The dose which he gave his monkey's was so high in fact, that several of them died, and the others were in such distress that they aborted further injections. Those who survived acquired Parkinson's like symptoms.

The Man Who Kills Monkeys!

Dr. George "Monkey Slayer" Ricaurte



Yes, Virginia, there are morons in the sciences. =D
 
~full*bloom~ said:
... Would you want your children expirementing with drugs that no one knows shit about?

No, but as you see prohibition has not solved this in any way. You and many bluelighters and drug users all around the world and of all ages have access to these drugs because the lack of control on the drug market.
Prohibition replaces an educated pharmacist with no interest in selling you anything with a sleazy drug dealer who doesn't care if he's lying or if you're 15 years old just as long as he can make money.
 
In my experiences redeemer drug dealers are usually people you know and trust, a regular person like, not this street shady shit.
 
throwitallaway said:
In my experiences redeemer drug dealers are usually people you know and trust, a regular person like, not this street shady shit.

A lot of the drug dealers i know are like that too, but i think it depends on your circle of acquaintances and what your friends are like. I think a lot of the responsible drug users come from an area with equally responsible drug users and dealers. But many young people don't use drugs responsibly and their dealers base their information about drugs (or lack thereof) from the DEA and other untrustworthy sources. Just take a look here on bluelight and read about what a lot of users are told by their drug dealers, there's a lot of bullshit from them allright (the drug dealers). And I'm sure most of the the things the buyers are told by their dealers (the "i just bought xx% pure coke" for example) are for the drug dealers to sell more/make more profit.
A lot of criminals profit from drug dealing too, and I hate that the government is forcing me to buy my drugs from people like that.
 
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