New Rave Drugs Have Experts Concerned

~full*bloom~ said:
It is not that I am not taking responsibility for my drug use and the reprocusions of it. I know that I am the one who put the pipe to my mouth or the pill on my tongue.
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OKAY........

so u admit to freely taking them WITHOUT knowing what you were taking and u assumed ur friends gave you something fun and safe.

case closed, you're a moron. :p

don't go c0ckblocking everyone's else's freedoms b/c you didn't know how to handle yours.
 
I didn't ever hear of some of the designer drugs that were offered to me at parties or by my close friends. I had become very close to a seemingly intelligent dealer who had a lot of intimate house parties I attended.
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Eh, I agree with the moron factor in this. Seriously, common sense should of told you 95% of drug users are bullshiters, or atleast have a distored my guys dogs cousins girlfriends uncles brother makes this and this is what he says kinda way of gaining information. And like was asked before, did you have any preexisting medical conditions that could of been brought out by drug use?

Btw its fibromyalgia. Interesting cancerweb link:
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=fibromyalgia&action=Search+OMD

Im no doctor, but eh it sounds like you might of already had it. I dont think your "intense drug use" helped it, but binging on your dealers special rc of the month might not be the direct cause. The article says people have been popping up with Parkinson's disease symptoms. Anyone heard anything about this? Anyone else notice how every new drug gives you Parkinsons? =D

DB
 
i'd say chances are your parkinsons you think your starting to get is simply your bad luck or even entirely made up in your mind from always seeing/reading about it as being related to hallucinogen use lol

for real though, is there any actual studies out there as to whether these drugs (ecstasy,lsd) actually do cause or contribute to a person getting parkinsons?
or is it all just scare bullcrap.. and missinformation?

i always feel like a vegetable the day after a good psyche exploration.. i dont have parkinsons though hehe

maybe soon they'll start distributing legally purely and properly made e, lsd, and other common hallucinogens, as to prevent people from using these more unknown, who knows what your actually getting and from which shady internet dealer drugs as discused above.
seems to me like a good logical solution to this growing "epidemic" of new designer drugs no? :D
 
Ignorance is bliss. Druggies usually don't like to hear the consequences of thier addiction. So rock out... keep on keepin' on, and you will see. By the way I didn't think blue lighters were big on name calling, but you children sure showed me. flamers.
 
Most people using drugs know nothing about them -- how they're produced, what they really do and why they do it, etc. We're also all more likely to try something when we've already gotten a bit fried and our judgement is not as rational as when we're straight.

There's no reason to think that many of the RCs will NOT have toxic effects either due to dosage or frequency of use, or because of something about the individual taking them. I know some people are particularly prone to problems with DXM due to lack of an enzyme. Why not some of the more unknown, untested RCs? Their may be lots of experience reports, but little long term. Other people are more prone to neurological disorders like Parkinson's. For some basic info on Parkinson's: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/parkinsons_disease/parkinsons_disease.htm

And I don't see the need to gang up on ~full*bloom~
 
This article is so cliché it makes me sick. The author and people like `fullbloom` (DEA? lol) make it sound as if these compounds just suddenly appeared from nowhere in the last few months regardless of the fact that many have been synthesised and used for DECADES. You’d think if there was a correlation with something like Parkinson’s it would have been published by now. I agree with rollerskater and others… research, be disciplined with your intake, and don’t trample everyone else’s freedom to explore their own minds and bodies with your own bad judgement.

Killer rave drugs! Yes, RAVE drugs! Psychonauts on the Internet!! Oh the humanity!
 
Ya, you can say that, but the truth of the matter is most kids expirementing with drugs aren't really knowledgable about the long term effects of them. So the people who are using them now, despite the facts, are just making excuses to curb good judgement. I am not blaming anyone but myself for my drug use, but if there was more information that was readily available to the public or even at raves, I bet my expirementation would have been more limited. I just think that it is stupid for people to deny the reality of the situation.
 
Haven't we all had enough about preaching people trying to use the argument "I wouldn't have done so much/many drugs if ONLY I HAD KNOWN. THEREFOR... YOU should not do drugs."

Are we now responsible for other people's idiocy? Society has bigger problems than "research chemicals' and 2C-B.

If you are really concerned about "us", please send 20% of your DEA budget to do proper research of these drugs. And DON'T HIRE RICAURTE THIS TIME.


Sheesh
 
lifeisforliving said:
Haven't we all had enough about preaching people trying to use the argument "I wouldn't have done so much/many drugs if ONLY I HAD KNOWN. THEREFOR... YOU should not do drugs."

Are we now responsible for other people's idiocy? Society has bigger problems than "research chemicals' and 2C-B.

If you are really concerned about "us", please send 20% of your DEA budget to do proper research of these drugs. And DON'T HIRE RICAURTE THIS TIME.


Sheesh
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You know what is funny. You sound just as I did when I was ear deep in chemical usage. Addicts ignore the truth, and you bagging on me and calling me a narc is just proof. Once, (hopefully) you pull your head out and stop using hardcore hallucinagens you will realise that there is going to be long term damage. No matter how you slice it you will suffer damage from use whether a lot or minimal. If you can't accept that it's your issue. Bury your head deeper in the powder and wiat for your body high to kick in.
 
FullBloom - Ahhhh.. Let me paraphrase you: "You are all addicts, and if you don't think so, it just means you are SO FAR INTO being an addict that you can't see it."

So typical of a response when one has no information/evidence to reply with.

Ignorance is bliss, yes?

Can't you just get it into your head that YOU may have made bad choices in life, and that OTHERS may not. Why do you seek to infringe on the rights/choices of others because you had a bad time of it?

I see FullBloom starting to cover her ears now saying "lalalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalala"

Due to responsibilities in my life, I haven't done ANY drug for over 6 months now. I still see it as part of my life, just as I do exercise, movies, flying (yes, I'm a recreational pilot), full-time school. Yeah, I'm a fucking HOPELESS addict.
 
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Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
You know what is funny. You sound just as I did when I was ear deep in chemical usage. Addicts ignore the truth, and you bagging on me and calling me a narc is just proof. Once, (hopefully) you pull your head out and stop using hardcore hallucinagens you will realise that there is going to be long term damage. No matter how you slice it you will suffer damage from use whether a lot or minimal. If you can't accept that it's your issue. Bury your head deeper in the powder and wiat for your body high to kick in.
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<-----Hasn't used heavily (barely at all) for 3+ years.

Ok, so...give me a journal article describing how abusing 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine is affecting dopamine levels to the point where it creates Parkinsonian type symptoms.

Just one article. One real empirical research study that proves that commonly used phenethylamines and tryptamines are so dangerous at responsible recreational levels that you believe people should be barred by the government from exploring their inner worlds.

I bet you can't.

And remember, a large percentage of these 'research chemicals' have been in circulation since the 70's and we don't have a rash of new Parkinsons cases or cripling suicidal deprssion in masses of people... Same with MDMA, MDA, LSD, Ketamine...need I go on?

And you know what is funny, you posted that 'ignorance is bliss' but you are just as blissful (albeit in the opposite vein) as the people you are bitching about. You are blaming your problems on drugs (which it doesn't sound like you used to responsibly) and then trying to extend your transferance of responsiblity to everyone else. BS.

Why don't you look around at some neurotoxicity studies. Read some journals, learn about neurochemistry and learn not to demonize substances just because you couldn't handle them responsibly.

You can't just make up the truth, that's what science is for.

P.S. The article is just more recycled crap that's been posted here 10^nth times.
 
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All I am saying is there should be more information readily available to the masses. More should be taught in schools. Designer drugs haven't been fully researched, and if you think parkinson like diseases are propaganda, you need to pull your head out.
 
~full*bloom~ said:
Ignorance is bliss. Druggies usually don't like to hear the consequences of thier addiction. So rock out... keep on keepin' on, and you will see. By the way I didn't think blue lighters were big on name calling, but you children sure showed me. flamers.
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At the risk of being excessively concerned with facts, I don't know if you've discussed anything that has to do with "addiction" at this point in the conversation. Experimenting with non-legal drugs can have bad consequences, addiction being one. However, by my count not one of the compounds mentioned in this thread this far has show physiologic addiction behaviors in controlled studies. While it may be fashionable to label any action or behavior that has some sort of negative social connotation attached thereto as an "addiction," such usage is a perversion of the accurate use of this word and threatens to water it down to meaningless babble.

You might also want to remember that many of us have been "keeping on keepin' on" for longer than you've been able to legally consume alcohol. . . while your six-month binge with party drugs might seem centrally relevant to your own life experience, it doesn't necessarily serve as a useful or generalizeable lesson for the rest of humanity.

We're all ignorant to some extent, but the respondents here know more about the subject at hand than most any other group, on average. To conclude, I don't see how your avowed support of increased enforcement of current drug laws has anything to do with combatting "ignorance;" quite the converse, in fact. Ignorance seems to be the "strategy" of those geniuses who equate smoking dope with serious meth addiction. . . if that's not ignorance, I don't know what is.

Peace,

Fausty
 
~full*bloom~ said:
All I am saying is there should be more information readily available to the masses. More should be taught in schools. Designer drugs haven't been fully researched, and if you think parkinson like diseases are propaganda, you need to pull your head out.
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It's hard to take someone seriously who thinks
Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
Nitrous sucks.... don't do it. You know the 'wah wah' your hear is actually your brain cells exploding in your head. Nitrous is lame
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when the "research" you think you have done shows this to completely prove your statement false.
 
Nitrous sucks.... don't do it. You know the 'wah wah' your hear is actually your brain cells exploding in your head.
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Why do dentists give people nitrous if it explodes brain cells?? Care to cite a scientific study to back your claim up?

Once, (hopefully) you pull your head out and stop using hardcore hallucinagens you will realise that there is going to be long term damage. No matter how you slice it you will suffer damage from use whether a lot or minimal.
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Care to cite a scientific study showing how if anyone uses these drugs they will be damaged? How do you even know your fibromyalgia, a condition which affects millions of people as it is, is in any way caused by the drugs you took?

Designer drugs haven't been fully researched,
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So then how do you know "no matter how you slice it you will suffer damage from use whether a lot or minimal"???
 
I expected better from Bluelighters, but every drug user will defend their right to recreational use. I don't agree with Full Bloom on tightening drug laws, but I do agree that people need to have more information available to them to make educated choices. I also agree that if someone is a drug user, whether it be a mild drug like marijuana or a hardcore drug like heroin or meth, you WILL suffer some damage to your body with continued use. Your a complete idiot if you believe that you can take drugs and not have some type of ill effect on your brain or body. But, knowing what you are taking and educating yourself about those substances that you find so intoxicating will definitely help limit that damage. Plus, most (not all) users don't do just one drug. Most people mix. Those of you who do MDMA know it's a good thing to have a little bit of weed for the come down to help with your appetite. And I have friends that really enjoy the effects of speed (meth in tablet form in my area- NOT crystal!) with their MDMA. So, I can see where Full Bloom is coming from, even though the medical condition he/she has developed may not have anything to do with their drug use. I've been using drugs since I was 15 and am now 32 and I KNOW it's taken a toll on my body. But, as time goes by, my use gets lower and lower and eventually I won't use at all. It's a natural progression. My 2 cents.
 
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