Hey guys it's Johnny
I didn't think it was so hard to figure out what i was asking, but I guess it kinda gets lost in the procedure.
Why do people defat first?(in an extraction that calls for it. I don't care if there's an easier way, I want to extract using this method)
Thank you amapola for paraphrasing my question and providing your insight. You basically confirmed the conclusion I came to while expanding. Your response was just what I was hoping for when I started this post. Hope to get some more great input.
This extraction will extract alkaloids from any plant. It will extract all the alkaloids with enough washes. It will not isolate a specific alkaloid however.
Why would I want to do this? Why not?
I like science, like to experiment, and plan to earn a degree in chemistry so I'd like a head start.
The idea of extracting relatively pure alkaloids from a plant excite me.
Some plants might not be psychoactive when eaten but if the alkaloids are extracted and you take enough who knows. Maybe you need 100lbs of material to get one dose, maybe lettuce has something in it to get you high. I know this is unlikely but only one way to find out.
I would only do an extraction on something i had a lot of and I would save some to use "as is" while i wait for the extraction or in case the extraction failed.
You have a better idea of how much you are taking with more standardized dosing. You can have two eights of mush but they might have totally different alkaloid content but you extract the psilocybin and split, then you each receive, approximately, the same dose.
Pure alkaloids would be easier to press into pills.
I would like to avoid the taste. Taste is a big problem for me. Also I have a sensitive stomach and hate throwing up my drugs so I like the "plugging" option.
I stopped doing mushrooms for a while because of the taste and the fact I had access to LSD but even after the LSD was gone I didn't wanna eat them for a while. Also when they hit the back of my throat the right way i almost puke. Since then, however, I've found a way to eat them. Grind to powder. Place under toungue(no taste buds= no taste). Small gulp of drink. Swish quickly under toungue. Swallow liquid. Repeat.
When it comes to mushrooms, I don't mess with less than a 1/4, but can't manage to keep down anything over 3/8 and sometimes a quarter screws with my stomach. That's why I usually go with LSD since i can eat like 15-20 tabs before I have what I like to call a "puker"
I like to take massive amounts of any psychedelic I do(if the trip's too weak it feels like a waste and I have to wait a week to return to baseline) and don't like to waste them on the floor
With the cacti however, unless you've got peyote,(which is illegal and hard to find on the east coast) I think you have to eat about 100 grams.
Snorting and sublingual absorption always hit stronger and faster when the substance is water soluble, which I'm pretty sure alkaloids always are when in salt form.
Would like to experiment smoking and/or vaping alkaloids.
I heard that if you can properly vape psilocybin, it gives a DMT like high. Not hard to believe since psylocybin is 4-HO-DMT.
I make my own honey bud by soaking my bud in butane and then taking out 1/2-3/4 of the bud. Leaving the rest for the butane to evaporate into thereby concentrating the cannabinoids resulting in stronger bud 2x-4x much like salvia extracts. I like this because it evenly distributes the cannabinoids throughout the plant matter and burns much nicer than just throwing a glob of hash on the bowl. I made 8x once and didn't like it because i like to kill a half g in one rip, but it was too sticky and didn't burn right, but 4x is just right.
Anyway i was thinking that you could drop freebase alkaloids into the butane while soaking the bud thus enhancing the weed. Imagine DMT infused bud or even better Hamala and DMT infused bud.
Do i understand this correctly? Freebase alkaloids are better for smoking because the window between Boiling Point and Combustion(Burning) Point is bigger for freebases?
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Would this be because being converted to a salt raises the Boiling Point while leaving the Combustion(Burning) Point the same.
I'm convinced that any drug that people say you can't smoke, can be if it's concentrated enough. Like if you put a gram of LSD in a bong and smoked it I'm sure some of it would vaporize and not be destroyed.
I'm also convinced that non-alkaloids play a part in the high. So, ingesting just the alkaloids could give you a different high than eating the plant.
I know you can't take certain drugs certain ways but I have never been one to trust people, since most people are idiots(there are so many uncontrolled variables), so I'm gonna try it anyway. If it didn't kill anyone only one way to find out.
My current consensus is that if you want a product faster you should extract and then defat but if you want to maximize yield then defat first. You could even use both methods extract-defat on first run to get something quicker and then defat-extract to rip the rest out since you can wait because you already have a supply.
Extracting LSA seems like a good practice for extracting DMT.
Got a pound of Morning Glory seeds used a qp with the technique above, and another qp in water, third qp gets planted, and fourth qp for eating. This first time has been a learning experience for sure.
I think I ground up the seeds too fine when I put them in the water because the seeds never settled to the bottom, they stayed suspended in the water. It was just this jar of gray mud. The ones in alcohol did settle. I thought that this was just a difference between water and alcohol, but i was reading someone's TEK and they said their seeds settled to the bottom in water and another TEK said don't grind up too fine.
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It might be because I didn't refridgerate the water.
I probably over ground it because I made sure everything went through a metal screen before i mixed it with the water. I did the same thing with the seeds that went into the alcohol, but I used a wider screen.
Well anyway, the water won't run through a coffee filter now and when i try squeezing it through, the filters break and i get mud all over the place. Lost about half of it trying to get it through the filter or trying to move the liquid in the coffee filter. And the stuff that comes though is not clear at all. I even tried diluting the water, to no avail. I decided to just leave the water in the filter over night and some dripped through but I'm pretty sure more evaporated than actually went throught. I guess I can just leave it in the filter and if it evaporates just run water through it the other way to get everything out and the fact that it evaporated should cause the plant matter to clump up into bigger chunks and will then be filtered. Although, you would probably lose a lot of product stuck in these chunks unless you let it soak in the water, but that would probably cause these chunks to break apart and you'd be left with what you started with.
Had problems with the alcohol too.
To evaporate the alcohol i used a fan and this blew a lot of dust into my product. I started off evaporating in the mason jar I used because i figured i wouldn't need to scrape it, just throw my water and naphtha in there and shake. I could only evaporate at night due to lack of closet and wanting to avoid light. I started with 12 oz of liquid and after the first night it was down to 8 oz, but didn't smell as strongly of alcohol. Last night I set it up again but it only went down about an ounce and smells even less of alcohol. So today i set it up under a blanket fort in a tray to speed things up but this will probably blow a bunch of fuzzies in there. I used denatured alcohol so there should be no water in it. Checked the MSDS on my denatured alcohol only Ethanol 45-50%, Methanol 50-55%, and Methyl Isobutyl Ketone 1-4%. Although i think i remember reading somewhere that as alcohol evaporates it will attract moisture from the air. If this is the case is there anyway to stop it.
I don't wanna hear anything about using Denatured Spirits since it is used for extraction purposes only, no one is drinking it. The only ingredient in it that you don't usually hear about being used in extractions is Methyl Isobutyl Ketone and if you evaporate properly it's not a problem. It's boiling point is not much above water so you can evaporate it out.
Next time I plan on doing an analysis on three methods defat-extract-A/B, extract-defat-A/B, water-A/B and measuring how much they each produce
Sorry bwanajzj, but I don't really know anything about kanna specifically. However i do have some advise.
To remove plant matter
Since you're working with only 30 ML you could use a trick I learned from my junky friends. Throw a litle bit of cotton in there, stick the tip of the needle in the cotton, and use a needle to draw all the alcohol out. The cotton will act as a filter. This may take a while depending on the size of the needle. 30x with a 1cc. 1cc=1ml
To separated polar from nonpolar
Just use a pipette or turkey baster take one layer out plus a little extra. Then just leave it in there to settle making sure mouth is facing down if you want to remove water and up if you want to remove oil and squeeze out what you don't want
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Use a separatory funnel-make your own out of a plastic ziplock bag and cut the smallest hole you can out of the corner. Use a clothes pin or paper clip to close hole. Fill bag with liquids to be separated. Hang the bag by a clothes pin and allow liquids to settle. Remove clothes pin from corner of bag and this will let the liquid out. When you get close to the separation between layers, let the bag release into another container.
You could use butane instead of naphtha although it's harder to soak in butane for a while to really pull out everything from the plant matter you want to remove and I don't think you could do a liquid separation with it since adding water to butane will either make the water freeze, make the butane evaporate too quickly, or both. However if you extract before you defat you could use butane to defat and in regards to LSA let that evaporate to have yourself a poison. Unless you want a poison, there's no point to use butane other than it will dry quicker, you don't need to evaporate the non-polar solvent since there's nothing in there that you want. Plus the pressure from the butane would probably force some of your product through the filter
Thank you
