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Cunts, whens the ban coming into action then? will it be lumped in with all the cannabanoids etc? Fuck i loved odt :( its not even like its use was widespread or owt.
 
knockando said:
I've just read that o-desmethyltramadol is going to be controlled in the UK. :(


pdf: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/public...es/acmd1/ACMD-O-desmethyltramadol?view=Binary
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Didn't see that coming. A strike totally out of the blue. As others have said it was only ever on limited application only sale, and very much a niche minority of people used it. Maybe there has been too much hype about odt over the last few months. I dont know, because the report says this substance was uncovered whilst investigating Tramadol. :?

It makes it doubly annoying that THE vendor was unable to get it sorted quicker. Stating for months on end, it'll be ready in the next 2 weeks, when it never was. Now it's gonna be too fuckin late. Unless they get that batch out NOW and clear it quick he will have lost all his investment.

From the report "O-desmethyltramadol is being offered for sale as a legal high‟ !! Is it fuck !? Where !? Shame they didn't put the links up this time !! :!

This is getting scary now. What's next. Cant someone hire a hit-man off the deep web and bump off this Les Iverson as he's far too good at his job.
(Apart from the odd apparent inaccuracy here and there.) (Incase the LEA squad read this, and dont have a sense of humor, that was a JOKE, i hope that's enough to protect me from a charge of incitement to murder over the internet)
 
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Looks like the disgraceful habit of mixing RC's into these fucking "herbal highs/legal highs" has brought this surprise ACMD advice! Mixing Odt with Kratom by some RC supplier in Europe has caused overdose deaths & brought this compound into the view of the authorities depste it's relative rarity.

I don't think ANY RC supplier should be selling these herbal high/legal high mixtures, or any of these smoking blends made out of synthetic cannabinoinds. I feel that these products draw unnecessary attention the to RC scene, bring unwanted, & sometimes powerfully unpredictable effects & that they are obviously thrown together as products for ingestion despite the fect the RC's are supposed to be sold strictly as being "not for human consumption"!

I also cannot countenance the smoking of synthetic chemicals, the dangers & risks of whch are completely unknown.

Just my opinion.
 
The rc scene cat is already out of the bag, it's too late to do anything about it now.
 
what is fucked up is that some 'RC Vendors' are offering this now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516

GW-501516 (also known as GW-501,516, GW1516 or GSK-516) is a PPARδ modulator compound being investigated for drug use by GlaxoSmithKline.[1][2] It activates the same pathways activated through exercise, including PPARδ and AMP-activated protein kinase. It is being investigated as a potential treatment for obesity, diabetes, dyslipidemia and cardiovascular disease.[3][4] GW-501516 has a synergistic effect when combined with AICAR: the combination has been shown to significantly increase exercise endurance in animal studies more than either compound alone. [5][6]
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I mean wtf
 
because their market is legal highs, selling this on their will get Loads of people who know little or nothing about it but do visit the site to buy it, especially as it comes in a nice little pellet. The same site that sold etizolam pellets but could not work out how to evenly distribute etizolam
 
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Tried N-ethyl-norketamine last week.
250mg snorted (with water before & after) over a period of ~45 mins. (No nosebleeds or blockage as reported by many.)
Wasn't impressed. Very minimal effect for someone with dissociative tolerance.
Ended up taking some methoxetamine to potentiate it!
Still have another 2.75g that will probably only get used if IM'ed.
Fairly dissapointing ket analogue IMO.
 
I think a lot of people are finding N-ethyl-norKetamine dissapointing because it isn't as 'wonky' as they expect, and they consider that to be the primary effect they are looking for with a dissociative. Personally I consider that to be a side effect to the main action of the stuff, which is mood improvement.

Methoxetamine can make me appear obviously intoxicated to an outside observer, speech slurring, balance problems etc, I don't really have that issue with N-ethyl-norKetamine, even though the duration is a lot shorter, it does improve my mood when I'm feeling particularly low.

Re: the nose irritation, it seems to be minimised if you crush it up really finely and snort it gently, people were asking me if I had a cold though because it left me sniffing a lot.

I tried a gelcapped dose and it was a lot nicer, smooth come up, felt weightless and in a good mood which lasted longer than snorting it.

It is a bit expensive though, 500mg is easy to get through in one afternoon, although I have quite a high tolerance to methoxetamine already.

My only concern about it is that it might have potential for causing the same bladder issues found with ketamine, after prolonged use.
 
home office website said:
The ACMD considers, from the available evidence, that the harms of methoxetamine are commensurate with Class B, of the Misuse of Drugs Act (1971); and it should be scheduled under Schedule I of the Misuse of Drugs Regulations (2001) (having no known recognised medicinal use)
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I think this is a travesty, considering the potential medicinal uses of methoxetamine haven't even been investigated, in my opinion it clearly has potential as a therapeutic tool.

home office website said:
Deaths
3.12 The ACMD is not aware of any deaths solely attributed to methoxetamine.
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!!!

It goes on to elaborate that there is no significant crime problem associated with methoxetamine.

home office website said:
The affinity of methoxetamine for SERT was similar
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to its affinity for the NMDA receptor, suggesting that inhibition of SERT and a resulting increase in the release of serotonin in the brain may contribute to its psychopharmacological profile...
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as if this is a bad thing? Their own binding studies show it has activity directly related to what is currently considered the cutting edge of antidepressant research i.e the NMDA receptor and glutamate pathway.

Reading this report is making me really pissed off!
 
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Ceres said:
I tried a gelcapped dose and it was a lot nicer, smooth come up, felt weightless and in a good mood which lasted longer than snorting it.

It is a bit expensive though, 500mg is easy to get through in one afternoon, although I have quite a high tolerance to methoxetamine already.

My only concern about it is that it might have potential for causing the same bladder issues found with ketamine, after prolonged use.
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What dose gelcapped?
Thought oral bioavailability was meant to be very low?!
I'm 2 days off methoxetamine after about a year of daily use. I stopped for the reasons you mentioned. i.e. slurred speech, being noticably off balance etc.
I'm experiencing uncomfortable withdrawals during the day. Frequent rushes of anxiety & a heavy depression. I may gel cap my remaining 2.75g of n-ethyl-norketamine to get through the next week of these methoxetamine withdrawals.
 
Was too impatient to wait for a reply about oral dosing & with not wanting to face into another day of methoxetamine withdrawals I decided to divide 750mg NEnK into 3 bombs.... 300mg, 250mg & 200mg.
Took the 300mg bomb half an hour ago. Just starting to feel it now. Much more pleasant than snorted.
All i'm after is the mood lift which is now very prevailant, boardering on euphoric! Very slight dissociation. Nice & clean!
Not a bad analogue actually. Once you're not looking to hole. Oral is definately a smoother, more pleaseant experience than nasal.
Great anti-depressant effects!
 
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Acid4Blood said:
Was too impatient to wait for a reply about oral dosing & with not wanting to face into another day of methoxetamine withdrawals I decided to divide 750mg NEnK into 3 bombs.... 300mg, 250mg & 200mg.
Took the 300mg bomb half an hour ago. Just starting to feel it now. Much more pleasant than snorted.
All i'm after is the mood lift which is now very prevailant, boardering on euphoric! Very slight disassociation. Nice & clean!
Not a bad analogue actually. Once you're not looking to hole. Oral is definately a smoother, more pleaseant experience than nasal.
Great anti-depressant effects!
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Sounds promising, that's definately on my to try list as soon as I'm back in Europe. So in terms of trippiness I understand it's pretty worthless right? Still sounds like something nice for chilled afternoon.
 
Mental Kenny said:
So in terms of trippiness I understand it's pretty worthless right? Still sounds like something nice for chilled afternoon.
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Yeah, thats pretty much the height of it!... something nice for a chilled afternoon. It doesn't feel right to compare this analogue to ketamine as it's just not in the same spectrum of effects.
Duration is still very short, even with oral dosing, so it works out expensive this way. Easy to go through a gram in a day.
IM'ing seems to be the most economic ROA but I've never IM'ed before & I'd sooner IM some decent s-isomer K & hole than experience the full potential of NEnK.
 
Acid4Blood said:
Was too impatient to wait for a reply about oral dosing & with not wanting to face into another day of methoxetamine withdrawals I decided to divide 750mg NEnK into 3 bombs.... 300mg, 250mg & 200mg.
Took the 300mg bomb half an hour ago. Just starting to feel it now. Much more pleasant than snorted.
All i'm after is the mood lift which is now very prevailant, boardering on euphoric! Very slight dissociation. Nice & clean!
Not a bad analogue actually. Once you're not looking to hole. Oral is definately a smoother, more pleaseant experience than nasal.
Great anti-depressant effects!
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sounds like the effect I got orally dosing it, definately almost euphoric, although I think I just ate around 100mg, or enough to half fill a size 4 gelcap, I didn't weigh it, just used the same dose I would snort because I didn't have much left.

I'd like to try a big dose that way, I can't really manage to snort huge amounts of it. Oral MXE was a seriously crazy experience quite different to snorting a lot of it, I accidentally ate 5 doses because it was taking a while to come on, someone found me in a eyes open catatonic state completely unresponsive to outside stimuli hahaha.
 
Right, this is for Mugz, I've been locked to the couch stoned for 3 hours after 15mg UR-144 dissolved in hemp oil. It was quite good once I settled into it. Bear in mind I (almost) never get stoned. Wasn't much of a mindfuck, mostly physical. Took hold much quicker than expected too - I'd been led to believe it can take hours for this to hit orally, but nah, 45 minutes.
 
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