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Septonn said:
Too bad sleep's out of the question after a few doses.. as I, again, found out last night :\
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Hmmm, i dosed about 200mg at 5ish, 100 about 7ish, and another 100 about 9ish....got to sleep by half 6 this morning, so not too bad. was doing meph from midnight till 3ish too....did have some diaz about 6 though.

ColtDan said:
Is 4-fa better than meph?
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Don't be a fucking twat. Fucking excellent together though, i prefer it to the pirate/M1 combo.

I could get away with 4-fa in public, unlike meph wandering round with a white saltcrust round my nose, looking for somewhere fot redose every 45 mins etc.....
 
Gutted that the SSRIs im on mean i cant take 4fa - it does feel good for a while until the violeneltly excruciating headache kicks in. Never want to go through that again. Not sure if it was serotonin syndrome, but i was on the verge of dialling 999. Puking my guts out saved the day. Thank fuck.
 
Read my reply to your thread in OD.

If it actually is 4MMA I would be very careful as it is likely to be toxic to a degree. To what extent I have no idea. Perhaps fastandbulbous might check in and give us his esteemed opinion.
 
cheers its not the one i was think of that killed a lass in york last year but still guessed it was did not want it but the guy is sending me 250 mg to try it so looks like my new start is no hold for now

just been looking back through my posts to try and find the thread about it and realized what a bunch of pretentious cunts some of the blue lighters are in here you can ask the simplest of questions and get slagged to fuck it really is a wonder at times why anyone uses this place as you're looked down upon with such hatred for wanting to know what's in something like they are so much better than you because you take rc and branded chemicals no wonder i've just walked out of some of my threads when im getting slagged of by someone who in the next breath sing the praises of crack and smack rant over lol
 
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4-methylamphetamine is turning up increasingly in Europe as speed, either by itself or more commonly as a mix with regular amphetamine.

Apparently 4-methyl-BMK is uncontrolled so it makes sense for criminal gangs to use it as a precursor instead on BMK.

It is more toxic than amphetamine with users reporting uncomfortable side effects and authorities across the continent and UK reporting hospitalisations and deaths.

Could this be what killed the girl in York?
 
yer i am begin to think thats what it is my post do not go far enough back to find it now and i cant find it on google think its going in the bin

the individuals had consumed a powder sold as ‘speed’ and were recreational drug users. In four
of the deaths, a sample of powder collected during the course of the investigations was analysed
and found to contain 4-methylamphetamine, amphetamine and caffeine. In two of these samples
the active substances were quantified and 4-methylamphetamine was present in greater amounts
than amphetamine (and caffeine).
Denmark reported one death (December 2010) where 4-methylamphetamine or its isomers were
detected post-mortem. Amphetamine was also detected, among other substances.
The Netherlands reported six deaths (four in 2011 and two in 2012) where 4-methylamphetamine
was detected in post-mortem blood. In all cases amphetamine was also detected.
The United Kingdom reported three deaths (between October 2010 and January 2012) where
4-methylamphetamine was detected in post-mortem blood. Amphetamine was detected in only
one case.
Non-fatal intoxications

A total of nine non-fatal intoxications were reported by four Member States (Belgium, France,
Sweden, and the United Kingdom). 4-Methylamphetamine was detected in biological samples
(urine or blood) in six of these cases (Belgium and Sweden).
Belgium reported three non-fatal intoxications (two occurred in August 2011 and one in September
2011). In two cases, 4-methylamphetamine was detected in blood or urine. In the third case,
analysis of a powder collected as part of the investigation was found to contain
4-methylamphetamine (64 %), amphetamine (16 %) and caffeine (15 %).
Sweden reported four non-fatal intoxications from urine samples collected in May 2012 from
emergency wards at two hospitals as part of the STRIDA project (see section 3.2.2).
France reported a non-fatal intoxication (from June 2010). While the user thought that he was using
amphetamine (in a white paste), analysis found it to be a mixture of amphetamine (10 %) and
4-methylamphetamine (22). The user injected intravenously 1.5 grams of the paste over a twelve hour
period. Twenty four hours later, he was admitted into hospital with nausea, sweating,
paranoia, hallucinations and symptoms of depression once the effects of the substance were gone.
The user had also consumed alcohol, cannabis, Zyprexa 10 mg (olanzapine), Tégrétol
(carbamazepine) and methadone.
The United Kingdom reported a non-fatal intoxication (from April 2012). Toxicology results are not
currently available. However, analysis of a substance seized as part of the investigation detected
4-methylamphetamine and amphetamine


yer this is the stuff and damn it i've had it before now i know what it is its always getting sold in york
 
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Mailmonkey said:
alright 4-fa is really quite nice, after a few doses :sus:

=D
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Good to know =D

Have been pondering about some of those FA/FMA ones cos could do with a decent stim wot ain't peev. Only slight concern I have is that, although they're all pretty cheap, I'm wondering how they are in terms of value for money. Have heard wildly differing dosage recommendations for 4-FA - ranging from 20-30mg to 200mg. Ideally I'd like a stim that's fun for a (loooooong) day/night but ideally is also suited to 2-3 day perk sessions now and then... and even more ideally not so fiendy that ends up turning into a week or more. Comedowns I'm not particularly fussed about as I never really get especially unpleasant stim comedowns - just need to sleep a lot and get some nourishment in me usually. But obviously if soul-destroying comedowns are a feature of any of the FA/FMA jobbies I'd maybe have to reconsider sesh lengths.

So what's the general feeling on any (or all) of these FA/FMA thingies in terms of one-off speedy funtimes versus slightly longer sessions?
 
im generally against 4fma. tried it just a couple of times and always made me feel somewhat unpleasant. hard to describe really. well actually when i read through the 34ctmp thread, i felt on 4fma like some do on that...

4fa i love dearly, but ive only used it in single doses, or a single redose at most... and my doses are lowish (highest being 130mg). but im sensitive like that.
im actually surprised so many havent yet tried 4fa... its quite a nice stim...

3fa is also apparently quite nice, and i think some here would like a lot
 
I'm in the 200mg camp with 4-FA. I find it very much an MDMA-lite, tolerance builds really quickly so I'm not sure if it would be any good for 3 day sessions, but maybe, I tend to have one or two doses max, but it has kept me up all night on occasion. Don't find it fiendy in the slightest, but I don't find MDMA fiendy either.

I do remember taking 80mg doses when I was starting out with it and that having a nice enough effect, make of that what you will.
 
200mg 4fa, 300mg pirate, single podge. Full on, but gooood.

this would be a high dose if you have no tolerance to either. So don't read this as a dosing "guide".
 
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