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[Elicious]

Hello, My name is Eli, I'm a newbie here looking for advice. For a long time, I've craved to use more, new drugs. I'm 21 and have been into weed since a young teen (I managed to get a medical rec to do it legally here in Cali) and, since a late teen, have drank whenever I could get my hands on alcohol. And to get some, I wouldn't just lamely steal a drink from my parents, get a fake ID, or have someone buy for me. I've built a couple nearly risk-proof elaborate plans to get a bottle. Like the time my coworker friend and I at a grocery store job we had given our 2 weeks notice to, walked 2 bottles of wine right out the door in our bags at the end of our very last shift. It was just $10 cheap wine from one of the market's shipments. The store received weekly boxes of either 6 or 8 from this small local business, so we edited their handwritten invoice to say 6 instead of 8, put them into the smaller box the 6 ct normally came in, & took the extra 2. The store probably never noticed that they paid for 2 more than they had, or maybe they took it up with the brewery for "giving them the wrong amount". Either way, it was pretty easy bc we were the only staff in the back for that shift and there was no surveillance.

Anyway, back to my life/history with using, I've also at a few times done shrooms and DXM, but nothing more.
Now that I'm 21, drinking is a lot more often, but not so excessive (some day drinking, but a 750ml of liquor lasts me 7 days at least, usually more. And I love to combine weed and liquor.
Also being 21, I've realized clubbing may be a possible resource for meeting people who sell (I haven't tried seeking that sort of thing, only imagined it like what might happen in a movie). Basically, I have a fixation on this desire to use drugs that's hard to shake, and I may actually have some sort of biological pre-disposition for seeking escape/drugs. Got lots of alcohol and drug addled/recovered druggies in the extensive fam.

For the past month or so since I found out about them, I've been trying to shake the idea/desire to use poppy pods. The craving for them, despite never having tried them, is STRONG. I'm pretty contempt with my life right now because I have plans to move to a new city in August where my sister, who I'm very close with, lives. I've had a passion for cooking since I was a young kid, but any plans I made to pursue that, such as arrangements to go to culinary school or get a start in restaurants/bakeries, went to shit.
My oldest sister (I'm the youngest of 3), is very successful at age 24 off in NY after graduating from NYU, and in comparison to her success, my other sister and I have always felt sort of in-superior or lacking. Ive spent the last 3 years feeling rather unworthy or incapable of building a happy life for myself. Until recently when I decided I was finally gonna make a change and not allow myself to pause and feel crushed when I hit huge obstacles or barriers. I tried to make this move happen in 2020, but with the pandemic arising around then, my housing plans fell through. This time, I've gotten further and it looks like its actually happening. However, even after signing my housing contract, there's this big doubt or anxiety in me that, just like twice before, that the plan is gonna fall through at some point and I'm gonna be crushed back down where I belong.

I can't shake the thought that I can tap a button on my phone and have pods delivered (granted, I haven't checked this US site I found for legitimacy, so I may not have a source after all).

What I want to know/ask is, how possible would it be for me to dabble in poppy pod/seed tea in very small doses, and still function well in every day life including online college classwork? I've done a lot of research, and would plan to use a weak extraction method (not my espresso machine) to extract small starting doses of 3-5 grams pod shell carefully to avoid thebaine which, as I understand it, will make it more harmful to your system, and possibly more addictive. But I recognize that maybe I'm just holding onto this ideal sunshine, rainbows and kitty cats dream most new drug users have where they magically evade falling into a deep, mega-hooked, mess-up-your-life lifestyle.

Maybe instead, since it seems I already know the answer to that question, I could ask, Are there any "safer" drugs (maybe dissos or RCs?) I could get a hold of to satisfy my "cravings" for PST/PPT or something stronger and more dangerous? I don't think this craving will go away and I can't afford to seek help in counseling or NA type meetings which I wouldn't even belong in to begin with since I've like never done hard drugs/narcotics. If it comes out that I want to or actually do drugs, I won't be able to move to this new city and attend classes and things. Furthermore, my mom would be all over me, forcing me to stay where I am to focus on "recovery". Lol, recovery from what? I don't have a problem. Yet. That's what I'm here to avoid. And please don't tell me the only way to avoid addiction is to not do addicting shit, because that's not help. I'm gonna do some drugs at some point, be that now or later. I just want to make the smartest decisions with it. God I sound weak.

Anyway, now that you sort of understand my situation, please help if you can, in whatever way (besides the aforementioned un-helpful example). I apologize if half of that didn't make sense i'm stoned and tipsy as I write this. I accept your advice/comments/help, and its nice to meet y'all and to be here! .........

 

[Robi]

welcome to BL, was interested in taking poppy seed"tea" but im succeeding on staying off opioids, so that keeping that off of my drug bucket list, enjoyed your post and wish you well, hope you get great advice and the is a good thread on poppy seed tea

 

[arrall]

Welcome to Bluelight!

What I want to know/ask is, how possible would it be for me to dabble in poppy pod/seed tea in very small doses, and still function well in every day life including online college classwork? I've done a lot of research, and would plan to use a weak extraction method (not my espresso machine) to extract small starting doses of 3-5 grams pod shell carefully to avoid thebaine which, as I understand it, will make it more harmful to your system, and possibly more addictive. But I recognize that maybe I'm just holding onto this ideal sunshine, rainbows and kitty cats dream most new drug users have where they magically don't fall into a deep, mega-hooked, mess-up-your-life lifestyle.

I don't know if starting poppy seed tea is a good idea to be honest. You are already struggling with anxiety. Opiates, while initially helping with anxiety and mental illness, will only make things worse in the long run.

 

[Nas47]

Be welcome Eli

 

[Elicious]

welcome to BL, was interested in taking poppy seed"tea" but im succeeding on staying off opioids, so that keeping that off of my drug bucket list, enjoyed your post and wish you well, hope you get great advice and the is a good thread on poppy seed tea

Thank you

 

[Elicious]

Welcome to Bluelight!


I don't know if starting poppy seed tea is a good idea to be honest. You are already struggling with anxiety. Opiates, while initially helping with anxiety and mental illness, will only make things worse in the long run.

Ok that's noted. good to know. I don't have bad anxiety as much as when I was a little younger, its def not something I face daily, but maybe that's just the weed talking most of the time.

 

[Jabberwocky]

@Elicious poppy pods could easily lead to a full blown addiction easier than you'd think

have you heard of kratom? it's more forgiving but also can be highly addictive, but it's a lot more suitable for something like studying because it's also stimulating and a great work aid

 

[Elicious]

@Elicious poppy pods could easily lead to a full blown addiction easier than you'd think

have you heard of kratom? it's more forgiving but also can be highly addictive, but it's a lot more suitable for something like studying because it's also stimulating and a great work aid

I've heard a little about it, it's also natural right? I think when I first heard of it a while ago I looked it up and saw all this FDA warning shit and assumed it was made illegal and that it's manufacture was under high watch in the US. It's fairly new in the US and research-wise, right? I wanna know more. What do you mean by its more forgiving, but also highly addictive? If you've used it, what were/are your takeaways from it?
Thanks for the advice btw.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I've heard a little about it, it's also natural right? I think when I first heard of it a while ago I looked it up and saw all this FDA warning shit and assumed it was made illegal and that it's manufacture was under high watch in the US. It's fairly new in the US and research-wise, right? I wanna know more. What do you mean by its more forgiving, but also highly addictive? If you've used it, what were/are your takeaways from it?
Thanks for the advice btw.

its not new, its just become more popular in the last few years in the US, it has been used in southeast Asia for generations

kratom has been around in the US for well over 15 years now, you can find it in most headshops even some gas stations sell it

its a natural plant, it has opioid and stimulant properties, simultaneously sedating and stimulating (more sedating in higher doses)

it helped me get off heroin 10 years ago, been using it every day since

its a great coffee replacement and helps a lot for work/study and also gets you buzzed at the same time

hard to compare it to anything, the high is unique, strong but subtle... it's not like coffee or adderall, it's like low dose oxycodone with adrenal and SSRI like qualities to it, it wakes you up and stimulates you but also calms you down, very unique buzz to it

its definitely addictive and has bad withdrawals if you take it every day, but ultimately its safer, easier to manage, more predictable and more forgiving than poppy pod tea (and cheaper/more available too)

its the better option IMO

 

[Elicious]

its not new, its just become more popular in the last few years in the US, it has been used in southeast Asia for generations

kratom has been around in the US for well over 15 years now, you can find it in most headshops even some gas stations sell it

its a natural plant, it has opioid and stimulant properties, simultaneously sedating and stimulating (more sedating in higher doses)

it helped me get off heroin 10 years ago, been using it every day since

its a great coffee replacement and helps a lot for work/study and also gets you buzzed at the same time

hard to compare it to anything, it's not like coffee or adderall, it's like low dose oxycodone with adrenal and SSRI like qualities to it

it's definitely addictive and has bad withdrawals if you take it every day, but ultimately its safer and more forgiving than poppy pod tea (and cheaper/more available too)

Ok, im looking more into it and the different strains/leaves and I'm kinda relating it to weed with white, green, and red relating to sativa, hybrid, and indica. I know they're very different drugs, but one company describes white veined varieties as being more stimulating and red more sedative, with green in between.

wow you've been using it a lot for a while, It'd be really difficult to get off of at this point, yea? Do you experience withdraw symptoms after a few hours of taking it? How does that work? Just wondering, no judgement. I guess I don't care if I do end up using it every day (unless it becomes too expensive in the long run), but how possible is it to use only a few times a week or to taper off of it? I don't see why I would have to stop unless i'm taking dangerous amounts.
Speaking of which, how much does tolerance increase? Do people become numb to it?

Its interesting how you describe it's effect as low does oxycodone with aderall and SSRI qualities, bc I was actually diagnosed with ADHD as a kid, but never took anything for it bc my mom was against western medicine (she's Japanese and prefers natural/homeopathic/eastern medicine, lol which I guess you coouuuld call Kratom, since its from Southeast Asia, jk).
I learned to manage my adhd in other ways growing up, but at times, have definitely wished I had medication to help. And about a year ago I was looking for some sort of stimulant drug to use recreationally, so I was gonna seek therapy in order to get some adderall. I figured it was the easiest drug I could get my hands on, second to weed, but I decided it wasn't a good decision to get hooked on something I couldn't get enough of to sustain. I through it through more and recognized that I'd probably be in withdraw from the time the bottle ran out til the new perscription came in. I considered getting it to use properly for help with my adhd symptoms, but knowing me, if anyone was gonna get addicted to it after getting a taste at recommended dose, It would be me. Plus, weed helps with my focus already, I've never used medication, I probably don't need it.

Rant over, I think I may get some, it seems surprisingly easy. I found shops in person to buy some, but have you ever bought online? I found a site, but wanna make sure there aren't scammers to look out for in case I do decide to purchase.

 

[Jabberwocky]

wow you've been using it a lot for a while, It'd be really difficult to get off of at this point, yea? Do you experience withdraw symptoms after a few hours of taking it? How does that work?

I recently went through cold turkey withdrawals from 8 years of continuous daily heavy use (30g+ day). The withdrawals are really just as bad as oxycontin. I could compare it to heroin withdrawal, but they are less intense but also worse in their own way. It was pretty bad, however, I'm describing a long term dependence here.

typical opioid withdrawals hit within 8-12 hours, however kratom is a bit different. The withdrawals don't really hit until 20-24 hours. For me at least.

But again, I'm describing heavy long term use. Kratom is a bit less addictive than typical opioids.

but how possible is it to use only a few times a week or to taper off of it? I don't see why I would have to stop unless i'm taking dangerous amounts.
Speaking of which, how much does tolerance increase? Do people become numb to it?

Kratom is very easy to taper IMO and has a broad dosing spectrum. 1-2g is stimulating and mild, 2-6g is more stimulating and gives you a lot more of a buzz, 6g+ takes on more of a typical opioid high, sedating and you can nod out

tolerance develops very quickly, especially to the opioid effects

but yeah, it has a very complex pharmacology

it has opioid effects, it releases adrenaline, it has SSRI qualities and also a D2/5-HT antagonistic qualities (like antipsychotic drugs)

it can get you quite high, but also has anti-abuse potential because if you try to take too much you simply get sick and puke (but does not cause respiratory depression, so you can't die from overdose)

it also lowers blood sugar and blood pressure

it's really quite an amazing plant with a lot of potential and cool features

 

[Elicious]

I recently went through cold turkey withdrawals from 8 years of continuous daily heavy use (30g+ day). The withdrawals are really just as bad as oxycontin. I could compare it to heroin withdrawal, but they are less intense but also worse in their own way. It was pretty bad, however, I'm describing a long term dependence here.

typical opioid withdrawals hit within 8-12 hours, however kratom is a bit different. The withdrawals don't really hit until 20-24 hours. For me at least.

But again, I'm describing heavy long term use. Kratom is a bit less addictive than typical opioids.


Kratom is very easy to taper IMO and has a broad dosing spectrum. 1-2g is stimulating and mild, 2-6g is more stimulating and gives you a lot more of a buzz, 6g+ takes on more of a typical opioid high, sedating and you can nod out

tolerance develops very quickly, especially to the opioid effects

but yeah, it has a very complex pharmacology

it has opioid effects, it releases adrenaline, it has SSRI qualities and also a D2/5-HT antagonistic qualities (like antipsychotic drugs)

it can get you quite high, but also has anti-abuse potential because if you try to take too much you simply get sick and puke (but does not cause respiratory depression, so you can't die from overdose)

it also lowers blood sugar and blood pressure

it's really quite an amazing plant with a lot of potential and cool features

OK, Thanks that all very helpful. I'm looking into pricing and am actually finding so far, with a little math, that pods seem to be cheaper than K powder even. Its still cheap, but probably not the best thing for my wallet but don't get me wrong, imma still do it lol.

I assume you use powder form, how do you make it taste alright? I guess I can just gulp it down like a shot...

Also what do you think is a good/reasonable price for some (like per g)? Some products/companies I've found today have way higher prices than others per amnt. and idk if that's quality or what.

 

[Elicious]

OK, Thanks that all very helpful. I'm looking into pricing and am actually finding so far, with a little math, that pods seem to be cheaper than K powder even. Its still cheap, but probably not the best thing for my wallet but don't get me wrong, imma still do it lol.

I assume you use powder form, how do you make it taste alright? I guess I can just gulp it down like a shot...

Also what do you think is a good/reasonable price for some (like per g)? Some products/companies I've found today have way higher prices than others per amnt. and idk if that's quality or what.

Nevermind mosta that, I just bought some. Better have been a legit site they took cc, some scammy looking sites took Zelle only, I took that as a red flag.

 

[arrall]

Using kratom for anything but already-present physical opioid addiction and severe physical pain/injury will not end well. Kratom does not last long, so you have to take it every 2-4 hours which means that physical dependency builds quite quickly.
If you are struggling with anxiety, there are numerous safer and more effective drug-based and non-drug-based solutions.

 

[acklac7]

Welcome!

 

[Elicious]

Using kratom for anything but already-present physical opioid addiction and severe physical pain/injury will not end well. Kratom does not last long, so you have to take it every 2-4 hours which means that physical dependency builds quite quickly.
If you are struggling with anxiety, there are numerous safer and more effective drug-based and non-drug-based solutions.

Ok, As I understood it, Kratom can last many hours, that's not to say dependence and tolerance won't build up quickly. I know it can/will.

I'm just looking for something to occupy these cravings. They say people spend 15% of the day (close to 4 hours) thinking about food, but for me it feels like more time is spent thinking about drugs. I may've rushed into buying that K bc I just (and I don't wanna say need, but) really want something that can satisfy.

What are these alternative numerous safer/more effective solutions you mention? I'd love to look into them.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I assume you use powder form, how do you make it taste alright? I guess I can just gulp it down like a shot...

yeah, I used regular bulk powder

personally the taste of kratom doesn't bother me at all, I kinda like it now tbh

putting it into liquid or making tea is by far the most gross taste

I used the toss and wash method, just dump some on your tongue and chase it down with a drink (it's easier than it sounds, just takes a bit of practice if you do it incorrectly and it gets in the back of your throat you will choke on powder or vomit which is unpleasant)

Also what do you think is a good/reasonable price for some (like per g)? Some products/companies I've found today have way higher prices than others per amnt. and idk if that's quality or what.

can't discuss prices unfortunately

most kratom is the same price anyways, I would just avoid the gas station brands because they're typically low quality

some good brands are NJOY/fire wholesale, O.P.M.S., Remarkable Herbs

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ok, As I understood it, Kratom can last many hours, that's not to say dependence and tolerance won't build up quickly. I know it can/will.

I'm just looking for something to occupy these cravings. They say people spend 15% of the day (close to 4 hours) thinking about food, but for me it feels like more time is spent thinking about drugs. I may've rushed into buying that K bc I just (and I don't wanna say need, but) really want something that can satisfy.

What are these alternative numerous safer/more effective solutions you mention? I'd love to look into them.

without tolerance effects last about 4-5 hours if you take a high dose, once tolerance sets in the buzz only lasts about 2 hours and this leads people to start compulsively redosing

one of they key things with kratom is not to redose during the day, try to stick to only 1 dose in the morning for example



but kratom is a bit different to typical opioids, I can control my use a lot more than other drugs, I don't feel compelled to redose as much as other drugs

 

[Elicious]

one of they key things with kratom is not to redose during the day, try to stick to only 1 dose in the morning for example

Yeah, just a dose in the morning is kinda what I had in mind, or maybe at evening/night, but maybe that's what all people have in mind, then things change.

but kratom is a bit different to typical opioids, I can control my use a lot more than other drugs, I don't feel compelled to redose as much as other drugs

Are you usually able to abstain from redosing during the day? Does coming off of it when you're out or at work and things affect your mood a lot?

Btw, I know im asking a lot of questions, you don't have to answer them all if you don't like them or whatever. I could probably turn to google more.

 

[Jabberwocky]

you usually able to abstain from redosing during the day? Does coming off of it when you're out or at work and things affect your mood a lot?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. During all my kratom use I have been as low as 6g per day and as high as 60g.

I usually only crave kratom in the mornings and early afternoon. It really depends on where I'm at in life. It's easier to control but also can be just as hard as other drugs at times.