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New JWH Urine TesT!!!, detect time really 72hrs??? PLEASE HELP!!
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Just use either A) Real weed or B) One of the JWHs with no napthalene ring such as 250, should produce very different metabolites.
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Mmhm. That's the conclusion a few people are drawing. Obviously real weed would be the prime choice...but it's not happening in most of our situations.
These tests may start to fade out after 018 and 073 are made illegal. Who knows....a couple weeks left...
Mmhm. That's the conclusion a few people are drawing. Obviously real weed would be the prime choice...but it's not happening in most of our situations.
These tests may start to fade out after 018 and 073 are made illegal. Who knows....a couple weeks left...
Yeah I really hope they do. My question is if Redwood can detect metabolites JWH-019 and 250 in Saliva, why can they not detect them in urine? Part of me wants to believe they are different but the cautious part of me thinks this is because they can't differentiate them.
WTF????
i thought this stuff was undetected, researched all over google and big user of this site...how come i only stumbled upon this now?!?!?!?
here is my story if someone can please help me out:
i am awaiting my papers in the mail to get put on probation. i got caught with some rolls, xanax, and mj. all of this is in the state of new jersey, so i will be put on probation there.
the thing is, i thought i would be in the clear smoking JWH-018, so i ordered 4 g's of it....kinda pricey investment, and now i see this. going to be pretty pissed if i cant smoke it. so i havent started probation yet, and ive been clean from everything else. what would you guys recommend, me wait and see until i get on probation to see if they test for it? how would i find this out? can i start smoking it tomorrw (when i get the jwh in the mail)???
i should be getting the probation papers in the mail within the next 1-2 weeks.....
anyone any advice!!! please help
i thought this stuff was undetected, researched all over google and big user of this site...how come i only stumbled upon this now?!?!?!?
here is my story if someone can please help me out:
i am awaiting my papers in the mail to get put on probation. i got caught with some rolls, xanax, and mj. all of this is in the state of new jersey, so i will be put on probation there.
the thing is, i thought i would be in the clear smoking JWH-018, so i ordered 4 g's of it....kinda pricey investment, and now i see this. going to be pretty pissed if i cant smoke it. so i havent started probation yet, and ive been clean from everything else. what would you guys recommend, me wait and see until i get on probation to see if they test for it? how would i find this out? can i start smoking it tomorrw (when i get the jwh in the mail)???
i should be getting the probation papers in the mail within the next 1-2 weeks.....
anyone any advice!!! please help
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It depends on your probation. However, buying that much JWH-018 wasn't a great choice. See if you can return it. Many vendors accept returns of unopened goods. JWH-018 is about to become a schedule I controlled substance. If they detect it in you, you're going to jail.
JWH-250 is a better choice if you are choosing to go this route. While several labs now test for 018 and 073, only one rather obscure lab tests for 250. Also, since 250 is completely legal, they probably won't test for it unless your probation conditions specifically mention that you're not allowed to use it. Right now, I'm on bail for a drug related offense and I get random drug tests. My bail agreement only prohibits testing positive for controlled substances. It is unlikely that they would test me for 250 but if they did, I would have a legal leg to stand on.
Also, with my drug test program, they reserve the right to send the tests off to a lab for further analysis. The normal cups I piss in don't test for any JWH compounds. The lab could if they wanted to.
I would definitely not use JWH-018 and maybe not any other analogues because at this point, it is unknown if they share common metabolites that may trigger a false positive on the test. Some members who are more knowledgeable than me suspect that other chemicals have different metabolites but that is all speculation. If you have any experiences with testing, please let us know 
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If it is an instant test, it will not test for JWH, or any drug that isn't on the cup. With these kinds of tests, you piss in the cup, they look at it, and if you pass, you dump it in the toilet and go on your way.
If you piss in a cup and it gets sent away, that means it's going to a lab. Even if it's going to a lab, that doesn't mean that it will necessarily get tested for JWH compounds. Only a few labs test for JWH and it costs extra. It is not part of a normal test.
Right now, I'm on bail, not probation, but I assume the procedures would be similar. When I first went in, I took an instant test and tested positive for THC. Since this was 6 days after I got arrested, they knew I would be positive for THC so it didn't go against me. They then had me pour the sample from the instant test into another cup to be sent off to monitor my THC levels so they could make sure I wasn't smoking anymore.
If you go in and test clean from the start, they'll probably be less likely to suspect you of trying to beat the system. You can start asking them questions, but that will only make them suspicious. The pretrial people that do my tests are pretty secretive about them. I asked about how the color system works and they wouldn't really tell me anything. With the help of some knowledge of probability, I've determined that my random color code system is far from random. Since JWH-018 is soon to be a controlled substance, they will probably reserve the right to test for it by default. However, they may never actually run the test. It is up to you to take the risk or not. If I were you, I'd just buy JWH-250. It feels about the same and it is quite different structurally from 018. I'm not a chemist but after looking at the way JWH-018 gets metabolized, it seems quite unlikely to me that JWH-250 could possibly share any metabolites with 018.
I realize a lot of this post may be a little off subject, but I just figured I'd share everything I know about the system. Good luck.
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any speculation on the metabolism of JWH-019 and how it may differ from JWH-018... they seem like very similar chemicals and I can't seem to find much data on it. I know it was in some of the JWH-018 and 073-free smoking blends but I would like to know more as it is possible that I was smoking that, 081, or 250.
When you say reserve the right to test by default, what makes you think that JWH-018 will be any more routinely tested for than say Ketamine or Soma?
I think these tests will phase out, seriously. I can't imagine six months from now that these labs will be testing for 018/073 on the 'regular'...I imagine them to become obscure tests, only tested for if suspected or caught red handed sort of situation. Similar to say Ketamine.
Also just found this on a toxicology website:
"How is JWH-018 and JWH-073 metabolized in urine?
Both JWH-018 and JWH-073 metabolize extensively in humans via oxidation and glucuronide conjugation. Depending on dosage, the hydroxylated JWH-018 and JWH-073 and the carboxylated JWH-018 metabolites can be detected up to 72 hours in urine. Parent drug excreted in human urine has not been reported.
What are the cut-off levels?
There are no cut-off levels for OUR LAB’s Urine Synthetic Cannabinoid Test. Toxicology result reporting for JWH-018 and JWH-073 will indicate either “Detected” or “Not Detected.” The cut-off level for the oral fluid test is 0.5 ng/mL for JWH-018, JWH-073 and JWH-250.
Will a standard drug test detect synthetic cannabinoids??
Conventional drug test panels will not detect the broad range of synthetic cannabinoids. They pass undetected in standard urine or oral fluid testing for such drugs as cocaine, marijuana, heroin and amphetamines. Our Lab’s Urine or Oral Fluid Synthetic Cannabinoid Test can be ordered with your standard panel to ensure detection.
How accurate and reliable is the our LAB Urine Synthetic Cannabinoid Test?
Our Lab’s test will utilize the most sophisticated, sensitive and specific equipment and technology available, LC/MS/MS (liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry/mass spectrometry) to confirm JWH-018 and JWH-073 urine metabolites.
To reduce false-negative results, the detection method relies on monitoring multiple metabolites for each of the compounds. Other labs that only look for the parent drug in urine will report many false negative results. Our Lab’s test methodology provides the most definitive synthetic cannabinoid biomarker test results."
"How is JWH-018 and JWH-073 metabolized in urine?
Both JWH-018 and JWH-073 metabolize extensively in humans via oxidation and glucuronide conjugation. Depending on dosage, the hydroxylated JWH-018 and JWH-073 and the carboxylated JWH-018 metabolites can be detected up to 72 hours in urine. Parent drug excreted in human urine has not been reported.
What are the cut-off levels?
There are no cut-off levels for OUR LAB’s Urine Synthetic Cannabinoid Test. Toxicology result reporting for JWH-018 and JWH-073 will indicate either “Detected” or “Not Detected.” The cut-off level for the oral fluid test is 0.5 ng/mL for JWH-018, JWH-073 and JWH-250.
Will a standard drug test detect synthetic cannabinoids??
Conventional drug test panels will not detect the broad range of synthetic cannabinoids. They pass undetected in standard urine or oral fluid testing for such drugs as cocaine, marijuana, heroin and amphetamines. Our Lab’s Urine or Oral Fluid Synthetic Cannabinoid Test can be ordered with your standard panel to ensure detection.
How accurate and reliable is the our LAB Urine Synthetic Cannabinoid Test?
Our Lab’s test will utilize the most sophisticated, sensitive and specific equipment and technology available, LC/MS/MS (liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry/mass spectrometry) to confirm JWH-018 and JWH-073 urine metabolites.
To reduce false-negative results, the detection method relies on monitoring multiple metabolites for each of the compounds. Other labs that only look for the parent drug in urine will report many false negative results. Our Lab’s test methodology provides the most definitive synthetic cannabinoid biomarker test results."
yep been clean since. Just noticed that some labs are testing for multiple metabolites to come to conclusion, so it seems like if you had one or two of them present, that they couldn't be sure. So confusing. Just don't want to start testing positive from the 250.
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It probably won't be tested for. The JWH tests are a separate service. In all likelihood, they wouldn't test for it. But since JWH-018 and some others are now controlled substances and tests are available, that is not a risk I'm willing to take. I'm also not going to go use ketamine or something else that is detectable and illegal. JWH is all over the media now and it is used the most by people that are getting drug tested. While it is unlikely to be tested for, it isn't worth jail time to find out.
Also, about if 250 shows up, if they ever JWH test me, I'll tell you guys. It's so different chemically that I'm not really worried about it though but I completely understand the people that don't want to take that risk.
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So it seems like the test detects various metabolites, the way they mentioned other tests showing false negatives by only testing for the parent drug makes me think that there may be some other substance out there that you could possibly consume to throw out the proportion of the various metabolites thus making it look like you have consumed some things that produce the same metabolites but in different proportions?
does this sound feasible? i dont really know how metabolism works exactly, but i would think the further through the process you go, the more simply structured the molecules that you are left with... no?
does this sound feasible? i dont really know how metabolism works exactly, but i would think the further through the process you go, the more simply structured the molecules that you are left with... no?
If only it was this easy. The thing is, with UPLC/MS/MS (as is the same with GC/MS and LC/MS/MS), there is technically no false positives. This specific metabolite test doesn't have a cutoff level. Yes or no.
The three metabolites that are tested for all must be present, one being a de-alkyl metabolite, another is an indole metabolite, the final is a naphthalene metabolite, which is why a lot of people think 250 isn't going to share common metabolites from ingestion as the others (073/018/etc) with a naphthalene ring.
If you aren't being tested for them now, it's pretty safe to say that you may be OK - unless suspicion is aroused, of course. Keep your mouth shut and you may just be all right.
Truly, I wouldn't know...has a naphthalene and indole ring...your guess is as good as mine.
Promising that you say that, AliceD420. The new blends contain most likely 250/081, or aren't even part of the "JWH Family".
Spice/K2 is just not mentioned in my jurisdiction. There's people failing for THC/Cocaine/Opiates, and the media portrays "Spice" as a highschool/teenager problem. I could see in a family court/juvenile drug court program that they would be more inclined to test for them. In jurisdictions that they test for the synths, it seems these are the states that don't have a ready supply of dank pot to smoke.
Personally, I'm kind of just hoping, just waiting for it to all be illegal and the tests rendered obscure due to lack of availability of the drug itself.
synthetic cannabinoids aren't even on the radar. hopefully it stays that way for two more weeks.
Alice, can we talk in private? I can't private message you, but do you have MSN/AIM? Send me a private message
Promising that you say that, AliceD420. The new blends contain most likely 250/081, or aren't even part of the "JWH Family".
Spice/K2 is just not mentioned in my jurisdiction. There's people failing for THC/Cocaine/Opiates, and the media portrays "Spice" as a highschool/teenager problem. I could see in a family court/juvenile drug court program that they would be more inclined to test for them. In jurisdictions that they test for the synths, it seems these are the states that don't have a ready supply of dank pot to smoke.
Personally, I'm kind of just hoping, just waiting for it to all be illegal and the tests rendered obscure due to lack of availability of the drug itself.
synthetic cannabinoids aren't even on the radar. hopefully it stays that way for two more weeks.
Alice, can we talk in private? I can't private message you, but do you have MSN/AIM? Send me a private message
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I'm worried they may contain 019 or 200, which seem the most likely to trigger a false negative, but there is no way to figure that out definitively. I wish I knew for sure but I won't have smoked any of them in 4 weeks next time I could test so I should be OK... I didn't smoke it much in the few weeks before that either. They have only tested us once but it's always in the back of my mind.