New here & asking advice before I potentially end up with a serious problem.

[MilfyMommy]

Hey everyone! I'm 39 years old and I'm from Ohio. I deal with a lot of mental health issues on a daily basis, as well as chronic pain. I don't have a village, as in family to lean on and I literally have no friends so I'm such a home body. I would be happy to meet friends in this community though, I'm just not the best at starting up conversation.

Anywho, so I finally signed up as an actual member cause I've been lurking for a few years without an account. I have no one I feel I can be fully transparent with but this seems like an extremely safe space. I have had the same Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner for over a decade and I have a legit script for Adderall because I have major ADHD. I also have a malabsorption issue which my PNP has documented in my medical charts because he had me come to the office, take my medicine, have my blood drawn and then they drew it every x amount of hours. I was pretty much there all day long. He was trying to help me prove to my other doctors like my PCP that think I'm just any other addict on the street that no, this medication is in fact dumping out of my system extremely fast. This is why he prescribes me 4 x 20 mg a day, which is pretty much unheard of especially in the state of Ohio, but he's willing to back me up and I'm extremely lucky for that. The problem is over the past several months I've noticed my ADHD symptoms are spiraling out of control even though I'm medicated to the max. I've even started taking a few more here and there because I guess I'm basically "chasing the dopamine" because I get so depressed when I crash and burn between 4-6 pm every day. I don't want to continue down this path because I don't want to end up with a full blown addiction. Does anyone have any suggestions? Are there any ADHD medications that are stronger than Adderall? Oh, I should also note I CANNOT have ER anything because my body will not break it down and the capsule will come out WHOLE when I use the restroom! My PNP is also aware of this and I know he'd be willing to work with me and whatever suggestions I were to make. (and yes I know how extremely rare and lucky it is to have an amazing Psychiatrist Nurse Practitioner like him). Any thoughts, advice, ideas? Please throw it my way!

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[Jnowhere]

Well, I have one concern that may or may not Affect you. During The last Presidental Administration, The DEA made comments about prescription amphetamines being the next 'Opiod Crisis'.

I have no idea how Trump and his administration will or will not view this. I am a pain patient and have been limited by my state Democratic Governor but a mostly Republican legislature. They lowered the 90mg morphine equivalent to 60mg. Which is ridiculous because I have real pain and a life shorting condition. Also I was supposed to dead over 8 years ago. I have been good with my meds and need an increase, but I am lucky to get what I do.

I am in Michigan. Not to far from Ohio, lol, and spent 7 years living in 3 cities/ towns there. I do know that Ohio is not really that crazy about making people suffer. However, even though the Democrats brought The 'Opiod Crisis' about; the Republicans offered no resistance.

So how will this administration act?
Trump's first term all he did was get China to stop shipping fentanyl here. But the labs in China began shipping huge quantities of the precursor drugs to the Mexican Cartels.

The most issues that have come up were under Obama and Biden. However the Republicans are on the same idiotic side of this issue.

The prescription amphetamines could be a target if the media makes it one. Neither party can be trusted when it comes to scheduled drugs. Especially since many younger people are using them recreationally and actually many to help them even though they are in many cases getting them illegally. The scary thing is if the media starts or some group on any side starts a. "Think about the children campaign" and it targets prescription amphetamines. That is real trouble.

Sarah Brenner is the new head of The FDA and she did stuff with Opiod Crisis bs but, she is preventative medicine physician. Whatever that is and seems to be focused on nano technologies and other futuristic ideas. No clue what she will do.

It must be noted that during President Trump's first term he went through 5 different heads of the FDA, and no real impact to people on any Scheduled drugs. But who knows. That caos was probably good.

My advice is keep an eye open for any attempts to go after any prescription amphetamines.

You should try looking up what is legal in America as far as prescription amphetamines and read the what is available and compare what you know to it.
You know your body and what you have tried.

If you find any other meds that you haven't tried research them.

Try topics or threads on here related to it; or start your own thread asking people on Bluelight who are on prescription amphetamines asking about their experiences with any prescription amphetamines you haven't tried. Find out how it worked or didn't for them. Also any side effects and any issues with these drugs.

You can try using sites such as Drug.com or Web.md or other legitimate sites to find out what is available and if it is IR or ER which you indicated is a "no go" for you as explained. Lol. Sorry I know people have all sorts of different reactions but that was a first for me, hearing that.

That malabsorbtion issue is a very scary thing if you are on controlled substances ( scheduled legal prescription drugs and schedule 2 at that) That is scary.

I know it may be tough but you are better off not taking more than you are prescribed and risk causing a huge tolerance increase.

As someone on prescription pain killers and severely limited tolerance scares me because I have been good but after so many years and more pain, your tolerance goes up.
And that's what I am dealing with.

The politicians trying to control the doctors is horrible. I am talking about what they do now. All because some people abuse them for recreational purposes, then those millions or even tens of millions suffer. It is ridiculous and there are always going to difficult situations like yours in which the medicine doesn't absorb properly and is flushed away, literally.

Yeah your best is to go on to sites and find out what is available; and research the effects ect... Then maybe starting a thread on here asking people who are on prescription amphetamines about them and side effects and strength ect...
Good luck and welcome to Bluelight.

 

[MilfyMommy]

Well, I have one concern that may or may not Affect you. During The last Presidental Administration, The DEA made comments about prescription amphetamines being the next 'Opiod Crisis'.

I have no idea how Trump and his administration will or will not view this. I am a pain patient and have been limited by my state Democratic Governor but a mostly Republican legislature. They lowered the 90mg morphine equivalent to 60mg. Which is ridiculous because I have real pain and a life shorting condition. Also I was supposed to dead over 8 years ago. I have been good with my meds and need an increase, but I am lucky to get what I do.

I am in Michigan. Not to far from Ohio, lol, and spent 7 years living in 3 cities/ towns there. I do know that Ohio is not really that crazy about making people suffer. However, even though the Democrats brought The 'Opiod Crisis' about; the Republicans offered no resistance.

So how will this administration act?
Trump's first term all he did was get China to stop shipping fentanyl here. But the labs in China began shipping huge quantities of the precursor drugs to the Mexican Cartels.

The most issues that have come up were under Obama and Biden. However the Republicans are on the same idiotic side of this issue.

The prescription amphetamines could be a target if the media makes it one. Neither party can be trusted when it comes to scheduled drugs. Especially since many younger people are using them recreationally and actually many to help them even though they are in many cases getting them illegally. The scary thing is if the media starts or some group on any side starts a. "Think about the children campaign" and it targets prescription amphetamines. That is real trouble.

Sarah Brenner is the new head of The FDA and she did stuff with Opiod Crisis bs but, she is preventative medicine physician. Whatever that is and seems to be focused on nano technologies and other futuristic ideas. No clue what she will do.

It must be noted that during President Trump's first term he went through 5 different heads of the FDA, and no real impact to people on any Scheduled drugs. But who knows. That caos was probably good.

My advice is keep an eye open for any attempts to go after any prescription amphetamines.

You should try looking up what is legal in America as far as prescription amphetamines and read the what is available and compare what you know to it.
You know your body and what you have tried.

If you find any other meds that you haven't tried research them.

Try topics or threads on here related to it; or start your own thread asking people on Bluelight who are on prescription amphetamines asking about their experiences with any prescription amphetamines you haven't tried. Find out how it worked or didn't for them. Also any side effects and any issues with these drugs.

You can try using sites such as Drug.com or Web.md or other legitimate sites to find out what is available and if it is IR or ER which you indicated is a "no go" for you as explained. Lol. Sorry I know people have all sorts of different reactions but that was a first for me, hearing that.

That malabsorbtion issue is a very scary thing if you are on controlled substances ( scheduled legal prescription drugs and schedule 2 at that) That is scary.

I know it may be tough but you are better off not taking more than you are prescribed and risk causing a huge tolerance increase.

As someone on prescription pain killers and severely limited tolerance scares me because I have been good but after so many years and more pain, your tolerance goes up.
And that's what I am dealing with.

The politicians trying to control the doctors is horrible. I am talking about what they do now. All because some people abuse them for recreational purposes, then those millions or even tens of millions suffer. It is ridiculous and there are always going to difficult situations like yours in which the medicine doesn't absorb properly and is flushed away, literally.

Yeah your best is to go on to sites and find out what is available; and research the effects ect... Then maybe starting a thread on here asking people who are on prescription amphetamines about them and side effects and strength ect...
Good luck and welcome to Bluelight.

I am definitely concerned because RFK Jr. has made it clear he's targeting prescription amphetamines and I read something about him wanting to throw us in some sort of camps, I couldn't even bring myself to read it cause that's just absurd and terrifying. & Yes I definitely don't want to take more than prescribed because I could end up with a serious addiction and I don't want to ruin my life. Which is why today is the day I decided to sign up on the forums and post!

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I am definitely concerned because RFK Jr. has made it clear he's targeting prescription amphetamines and I read something about him wanting to throw us in some sort of camps, I couldn't even bring myself to read it cause that's just absurd and terrifying. & Yes I definitely don't want to take more than prescribed because I could end up with a serious addiction and I don't want to ruin my life. Which is why today is the day I decided to sign up on the forums and post!

I would be far More worried about being dependent on Xanax as the withdrawl is the worst of all drugs in existence. Amphetamine you will survive without. These will be death camps if they Happen, people withdrawing cold from high doses of opioids xylazine and benzos with little medical oversight. Blue state Jails do a better job of dealing with withdrawals.

I can’t offer you specific advice because I don’t understand what’s best for your medical condition. If you have chronic pain you might want to try getting totally sober. I’ve had pain cleared up after being off opioids for a few weeks as they can actually make pain worse in the long run. But if you’re still in pain you can always go back on drugs though…but this may not be right for you depending on what your condition is you might be better off staying on drugs

 

[Jnowhere]

Oh, Shit I forgot about that little weasel who can barely speak. He may have short hair and dress well; but he is a rippie. Rich hippie. They are the worst. Although not usually ain't drug at all, rich hippies are entitled self righteous know it all who are delusional because of their money and that family name. In this case; the most arrogant of the rich oligarch type families in America .

I am not against people making and having plenty of money or inherenting it.

I just hate when they do and it makes them think they are somehow superior and we should all bow down. Wow, his grand father was a bootlegger and corrupt business man. His Dad betrayed the mafia and got him and his Brother aka JFK both killed.

JFK with the CIA and other Financial interests at stake that was enough to get them both killed. J. Edgar Hoover hated them and a lone gun man gets the FBI off, because they should have and most likely did know that JFK had a target on him and The CIA and the Mafia(

Joseph Kennedy the bootlegger crook made a deal with the mob to rig Illinois and West Virginia in the elections in exchange for leaving the mob alone).
Well that genius RFK was the attorney General under big brother JFK ; made going after the mob, his biggest priority and crusade.

The mafia had dirt and basically owned the biggest blackmailer in American History( people would not even speak about homosexuals in public. They had pictures and maybe even video of. J Edgar Hoover) who was terrified of one thing; being throw out of the closet and they could do that and in early 60's America; that would have been one the biggest scandal ever till that time.
So FBI complicit, Mafia betrayed and huge hearings; so cut off the head. Kill RFK and the mobs blood would have run red in the streets. Kill JFK and RFK is as impotent as a 90 year man who has been castrated. LBJ was happy to see him go and may have known or helped. Everyone wanted him dead( in certain govt circles and the military industrial complex became JFK wanted no more Vietnam bs. CIA over his plans to dismantle the CIA and not doing what was needed in the Bay of pigs and no follow up.) The mob was betrayed and they could get people to help the CIA that they couldn't.

All these forces against JFK and RFK put the nails in both their coffins. RFK is really difficult but mind controlled assissin.

So your Dad was a moron RFK Jr and your rich because your Grandfather was involved in organized crime.
Wow, we should listen to and respect him because people died and he has money. His family name, they are cursed and his Grandfather was an actual Nazi sympathizer. Not to mention all the other scandals. Ted drunkenly killed a woman. The rapist nephew and the murder of Martha motley by a relative and others.

He is one of those herbal medicine nutcases. He could cause problems, and you are right. Sorry for the rant.
He could make both our lives worse.

Why is this non- doctor who is head of health and human services a allowed to do this). This could be a problem for you and me both.

RFK jr, is about as qualified to give medical advice as he is to be a singing coach. This is bad , real bad.

 

[Jnowhere]

I am definitely concerned because RFK Jr. has made it clear he's targeting prescription amphetamines and I read something about him wanting to throw us in some sort of camps, I couldn't even bring myself to read it cause that's just absurd and terrifying. & Yes I definitely don't want to take more than prescribed because I could end up with a serious addiction and I don't want to ruin my life. Which is why today is the day I decided to sign up on the forums and post!

RFK jrs idea to create " voluntary camps based on the 12 step model.
His idea is also to if following the 12 step model would not allow for medications to deal with opiod withdrawals.

How are a bunch of sick people going to connect with the group or something stupid. Yeah they will 6 ft under it. He has no medical training and thinks because he was addicted to heroin from age 15 to 29 that he knows addiction?

He was able to pay for his drugs and he has no clue about recovery other than his own.

Voluntary is going to mean prison or the farms. If someone's is caught, more than likely.

He based his ideas on an Italian program he read about or saw somewhere. Is that program still going? It was a program in the 1970's and I haven't heard about it existing today.

This idiot is also anti vaccines. Not getting into Covid. However he is talking about childhood vaccines and the disproven link to autism.

He is a real threat to freedom. He is a big government knows best for peoples lives. This is scary.

He is really is out in left field. He has not medical background and sticks his nose into medical issues?
I really don't like it when people unqualified are given lots of power especially over people's lives.

He is a 12 stepper who thinks that is the cure for everyone. Great it worked for you. But AA is basically a cult. Do a bunch of people sick from addiction really going to want to work on a farm?

 

[nevermindAng]

Hey everyone! I'm 39 years old and I'm from Ohio. I deal with a lot of mental health issues on a daily basis, as well as chronic pain. I don't have a village, as in family to lean on and I literally have no friends so I'm such a home body. I would be happy to meet friends in this community though, I'm just not the best at starting up conversation.

Anywho, so I finally signed up as an actual member cause I've been lurking for a few years without an account. I have no one I feel I can be fully transparent with but this seems like an extremely safe space. I have had the same Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner for over a decade and I have a legit script for Adderall because I have major ADHD. I also have a malabsorption issue which my PNP has documented in my medical charts because he had me come to the office, take my medicine, have my blood drawn and then they drew it every x amount of hours. I was pretty much there all day long. He was trying to help me prove to my other doctors like my PCP that think I'm just any other addict on the street that no, this medication is in fact dumping out of my system extremely fast. This is why he prescribes me 4 x 20 mg a day, which is pretty much unheard of especially in the state of Ohio, but he's willing to back me up and I'm extremely lucky for that. The problem is over the past several months I've noticed my ADHD symptoms are spiraling out of control even though I'm medicated to the max. I've even started taking a few more here and there because I guess I'm basically "chasing the dopamine" because I get so depressed when I crash and burn between 4-6 pm every day. I don't want to continue down this path because I don't want to end up with a full blown addiction. Does anyone have any suggestions? Are there any ADHD medications that are stronger than Adderall? Oh, I should also note I CANNOT have ER anything because my body will not break it down and the capsule will come out WHOLE when I use the restroom! My PNP is also aware of this and I know he'd be willing to work with me and whatever suggestions I were to make. (and yes I know how extremely rare and lucky it is to have an amazing Psychiatrist Nurse Practitioner like him). Any thoughts, advice, ideas? Please throw it my way!

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[nevermindAng]

Hihi, my long time counselor took Vyvanse. Before he took Vyvanse he took Adderall. He started with a small dose (5mgs twice a day in the am) then worked his way up to the highest (60mgs a day, I’m pretty sure) they prescribed. Years went bye and it stop managing his Adhd. They then prescribed him Vyvanse. I never asked the amount he took, you'll have to ask your PNP on dosages. Also I would say if your ADHD symptoms are out of control, life debilitating, I recommend some Adhd therapy or group Adhd therapy. Being around people going through what yr going through might help you find more answers. Good luck!

 

[Coffeeshroom]

Hey there and welcome.

Glad you decided to join. Sorry to hear about this crappy situation (politics and all)

Glad to see you have a doc fighting for you atleast. Very rare these days.

 

[foodcrisis]

I am definitely concerned because RFK Jr. has made it clear he's targeting prescription amphetamines and I read something about him wanting to throw us in some sort of camps, I couldn't even bring myself to read it cause that's just absurd and terrifying. & Yes I definitely don't want to take more than prescribed because I could end up with a serious addiction and I don't want to ruin my life. Which is why today is the day I decided to sign up on the forums and post!

i didn't read everything in this thread, was just skimming real quick... but this totally freaked me out about the camps, so i did some searching... went to a few sites before i found "However, contrary to how some people interpreted his words, Kennedy did not say or imply anyone would be "sent" to such locations against their will." that's from a yahoo site, i have no idea if they are an accurate source https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-yes-rfk-jr-030000179.html

everything says it's being sent to farms to grow vegetables they can eat... i dunno. that might be for some people. he's talking about sending illegal drug users and people with scripts... supposedly people with all sorts of different problems he wants to help... if he doesn't force people, i don't think it's bad.. maybe people can't find a break to quit and this will help them... i'd still be weary though. on the other hand, i've heard of programs sending drug users to do stuff like farm i'm pretty sure. it can keep people away from their connects and stuff.

 

[foodcrisis]

Voluntary is going to mean prison or the farms. If someone's is caught, more than likely.

i didn't see this... but that sounds like it's for the people using illegal drugs?... i dunno if they are gonna just force the people with scripts to go to camps.. i definitely didn't read enough about this though.

i'm just trying to clear it up easy for the OP cause they said the thought of going to a camp made them paranoid.

 

[Jnowhere]

They will only initially use it for illegal drugs. But this will never come to be a reality.
But it in theory it could end up if someone is addicted to prescription drugs; under certain circumstances.
Like trying to get them illegally. That wouldn't be a stretch. RFK Jr. Is a menance and even the Democrats don't want him, and he's a Kennedy.

 

[Didgital]

Welcome to Bluelight!

 

[Skorpio]

Have you ever been prescribed vyvanse? The medication is an instant release format, but it has the amino acid lysine attached to an amphetamine molecule, so once it gets in your body, it slowly metabolizes into amphetamine.

This could potentially be an extended duration mechanism which wouldn’t be affected by your absorption issues.

 

[Naja03]

Hey everyone! I'm 39 years old and I'm from Ohio. I deal with a lot of mental health issues on a daily basis, as well as chronic pain. I don't have a village, as in family to lean on and I literally have no friends so I'm such a home body. I would be happy to meet friends in this community though, I'm just not the best at starting up conversation.

Anywho, so I finally signed up as an actual member cause I've been lurking for a few years without an account. I have no one I feel I can be fully transparent with but this seems like an extremely safe space. I have had the same Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner for over a decade and I have a legit script for Adderall because I have major ADHD. I also have a malabsorption issue which my PNP has documented in my medical charts because he had me come to the office, take my medicine, have my blood drawn and then they drew it every x amount of hours. I was pretty much there all day long. He was trying to help me prove to my other doctors like my PCP that think I'm just any other addict on the street that no, this medication is in fact dumping out of my system extremely fast. This is why he prescribes me 4 x 20 mg a day, which is pretty much unheard of especially in the state of Ohio, but he's willing to back me up and I'm extremely lucky for that. The problem is over the past several months I've noticed my ADHD symptoms are spiraling out of control even though I'm medicated to the max. I've even started taking a few more here and there because I guess I'm basically "chasing the dopamine" because I get so depressed when I crash and burn between 4-6 pm every day. I don't want to continue down this path because I don't want to end up with a full blown addiction. Does anyone have any suggestions? Are there any ADHD medications that are stronger than Adderall? Oh, I should also note I CANNOT have ER anything because my body will not break it down and the capsule will come out WHOLE when I use the restroom! My PNP is also aware of this and I know he'd be willing to work with me and whatever suggestions I were to make. (and yes I know how extremely rare and lucky it is to have an amazing Psychiatrist Nurse Practitioner like him). Any thoughts, advice, ideas? Please throw it my way!

Thanks in advance guys!

I just realized that I didn't read other replies before I responded but I hope I can help you out. I have malabsorption problems too, and you need to see a GI doctor and possibly others to determine what is causing it because they weren't taking me seriously even though I lost 95 lbs in under 8 months and my PCP was retiring so I saw a new one every single appointment - no one was paying attention to me. I'd had issues absorbing medications for decades & eventually I began losing my ability to swallow - I was tested and it's called dysphagia (a dysmotility disorder) I had collected quite a lot of conditions by then and since but when I was diagnosed with hEDS, POTS & CVS - two types of dysautonomia and MCAS commonly seen together over a decade ago they never really explained any of it to me and I had no clue why I was experiencing lots of issues including malabsorption caused by another dysmotility disorder gastroparesis (partial paralysis of the stomach) and or how serious it actually is... I almost died in 2022 and I was supposed to have a few types of tubes put in - different people need different types but there's one (a "G tube gastronomy one that that goes directly into a part of your belly so you can get nutrition, medication and fluids and other necessary things), unfortunately I was in a very poor quality hospital and they thought I was starving myself and watched me eat for 6 days and I still lost 7 lbs in their care. Tbh I have a great Uncle that's a doctor and he said that he didn't trust them with my life after they were given all the info from my GI, PCP etc and still treated me like I was at fault. I need a feeding tube and did then because of the inability to swallow and I refeed (what little Liquid IV & yogurt I get down only partially - comes right back up)- my GI tract is a mess.
And I was given unheard of amounts of painkillers in the 2000s which caused me to become physically dependent on opiates and eventually they wrote methadone with oxys and I realized that nothing would ever work so I cut out everything but the methadone just to keep from withdrawals because no rehab would take me as I wasn't seen as an addict just physically dependent and yes there's a difference and there's no shame in either. Imo you need to get a referral to a GI to figure out what is causing the malabsorption & what to do to fix it because you're not absorbing nutrients or anything else either, not just the meds. Sorry I wrote a book and talked about myself too much but I was just thinking maybe something would resonate with you. Gastroparesis can be caused by other things so please research it. This is a life of death issue. I'll be thinking about you

 

[Jnowhere]

I maybe off here, but due to the malabsorbtion issues did they ever offer you a intrathecal pump. Basically an implanted pump( surgically) that delivers pain meds through a catheter to the spine.( all inside the body).

Basically an surgically implanted epidural pump device. Which causes fewer side effects and uses less medicine.

Also I don't know, but in the case of milfymommy is there even any liquid amphetamines for this or have they not made any for the pump. They have more that just morphine available but I am not sure about amphetamines.

Could that be an answer to people with malabsorbtion issues?

 

[Skorpio]

I maybe off here, but due to the malabsorbtion issues did they ever offer you a intrathecal pump. Basically an implanted pump( surgically) that delivers pain meds through a catheter to the spine.( all inside the body).

Basically an surgically implanted epidural pump device. Which causes fewer side effects and uses less medicine.

Also I don't know, but in the case of milfymommy is there even any liquid amphetamines for this or have they not made any for the pump. They have more that just morphine available but I am not sure about amphetamines.

Could that be an answer to people with malabsorbtion issues?

Intrathecal is a nuclear option, as it is a vector for getting infections right into the brain. Probably the best option we have for pain relief as intrathecal morphine is loads more potent than even IV, and there are drugs like ziconotide, which block pain completely without being addictive (though it needs to be intrathecal as it would cause fatal paralysis if administered peripherally).

But Jnowhere does have a very good point. If the GI tract is no good for drugs, you may have to look into other options. They make a transdermal patch of dexmethylphenidate called daytrana, which would be probably the safest non-GI route. Barring that I wonder if you could get some nasal spray from a compounding pharmacy. I think a central IV line would be a big ask for daily stimulant medications, but if you run out of options, this would be preferable to an intrathecal line.

Just remember any port connecting the outside of your body to the blood in any way bypasses the built up defenses of the gut immune system, so you need to be extremely diligent about keeping it sterile.

As for formulations, if it is something you really need to function, and you have supportive doctors, you can get drugs compounded for rare routes of administration. This would mean you would need to frequent compounding pharmacies which are more rare, and insurance coverage might be a bigger hassle, but if there is a will, there is a way.

Anyway @MilfyMommy, if you do log back in and see this definitely shoot us an update. You’ve got a whole thread full of people rooting for you.

 

[Jnowhere]

Didn't know it was a risk factor for infections. The chemotherapy clinic that was advertising and promoting it didn't really, make that risk clear. I just was looking to find a better method than a PIC line.
A Pic line, which I had seemed to be not the best idea outside a hospital because of infections. The openness of it seemed dangerous so That's what I came up with. Opps, sorry.