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New here and withdrawing from subs cold turkey from 16-24mg daily

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euphorictide

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Today is day 3 of my withdraw. This is not by choice, but my reasons are very personal. I don't have a Dr appt for 3 weeks so detox might as well be done now, since I've been thinking about it a lot. I was taking 16-24 mg daily and had to quit cold turkey. I've been on subs since 08 but got pregnant and stopped, but i wasn't on them long enough. I got back on in '10, 4 years ago been since. I'm losing it over here. I can't get my klonopin that I'm prescribed for severe anxiety and panic disorder for another 13 days, and those would've been a tremendous help. Any suggestions on what to do? I jumped off at a quite high dose, I already feel horrible and I'm terrified of the days and weeks to come. Right now my stomach feels like it's just giving up on me and I feel extremely nauseous. I can't sleep. I have fioricet, which are barbiturates but they aren't making much of a difference except making me jittery.
 
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I hope your not going through bupe withdrawals and benzo withdrawals at the same time. Either way I hope you can get through without severe discomfort.

The only suggestions I have would be for you to try to get your hands on more buprenorphine and do a proper taper. Forgive me if I misread and your saying you refuse to take anymore bupe. I get it if that's what you wanna do, but not doing a proper taper is just setting yourself up for a bad situation.

Perhaps you can get your hands on some benzos to help ease any discomfort. If your not looking to acquire any more illegal substances then perhaps you can look up loperamide and see if it's something you'd like to try. I've never tried kratom myself, but I've heard good things about it.

Sorry if my post wasn't really what you were looking for, but without doing a taper off that amount then you kind of dug yourself in a hole, but like I said if you can't get anymore bupe then get some comfort meds to lighten the blow. You can get through it. Best of luck to you.
 
Ouch :(

I did a slow taper after years of use and oh my god ... You are strong for making it this far. Don't give up!!! If you made it this far then the worst is already past you!

Keep a positive mindset and remember that everything is going to be ok.

Exercise and sex will help too.
 
Lol captain, my sex drive has been depleted along with my will.
What it comes down to is I don't have any more subs. I was trying to keep it out but I might as well tell the reason. I had a group of friends over Friday night, not the best crowd, but I thought I could trust them since I've known most of them since I was in high school. My subs x and klonopin were stolen. Before they came I thought of removing all controlled substances from my medicine cabinet but figured in the end I didn't need to. I was dead wrong. I feel like such an idiot. I might as well have put my money on my kitchen table too. I look like a fool. So this is the end result. Even if I filed a police report, it's useless, it just sits there collecting dust. I know I can't call my Dr because at the end of '10 my home caught fire and completely burnt within minutes. Firemen said we were lucky to escape with our lives. All my meds were in there. Even with proof of the fire my Dr wouldn't help me. I'm up shits creek. By the time my next appointment comes, the worst should be over I'd think so I figure might as well tough it out now.
 
euphorictide said:
Lol captain, my sex drive has been depleted along with my will.
What it comes down to is I don't have any more subs. I was trying to keep it out but I might as well tell the reason. I had a group of friends over Friday night, not the best crowd, but I thought I could trust them since I've known most of them since I was in high school. My subs x and klonopin were stolen. Before they came I thought of removing all controlled substances from my medicine cabinet but figured in the end I didn't need to. I was dead wrong. I feel like such an idiot. I might as well have put my money on my kitchen table too. I look like a fool. So this is the end result. Even if I filed a police report, it's useless, it just sits there collecting dust. I know I can't call my Dr because at the end of '10 my home caught fire and completely burnt within minutes. Firemen said we were lucky to escape with our lives. All my meds were in there. Even with proof of the fire my Dr wouldn't help me. I'm up shits creek. By the time my next appointment comes, the worst should be over I'd think so I figure might as well tough it out now.
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That is such bad luck; I am so sorry to hear about that.

I was writhing around for about 3 weeks. That isn't as long as the worst withdrawal so I was thankful.

You're getting a clonazepam refill in the future? That will definitely help.

You're doing great - just hang in there. You will begin to feel better soon.
 
Are you able to see another doctor and get some medications to help get you through this?

If not do you have enough money to get some phenibut and since you are mad maxing it off a really high dose with no tapper some loporimide loperamide.. im not sure if you are aware but loperamide is a strong opiate its just gets flushed out ot the blood brain barrier really quickly so it has a real hard time making you "high" im not usually to big a fan of it cause I have seen allot of people end up getting physically dependent on it or have it keep people in withdrawals for a longer time period. But in a situation like this where someone is jumping from such a high dose and has nothing really to help them with the withdrawls. Have you jumped from suboxone before?
 
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I have fioricet right now which is a barbiturate. Isn't loperamide brand name Imodium? I'm wondering how that can be an opiate. Just curious. I think Imodium will he'll help cuz I'm sure I'll have unpleasant effects that will require Imodium probably by today since it was close enough yesterday. I meant I'm going into day 4 since I've now been awake 24 hours.

I do get a script for klonopin, but not for almost 2 weeks.
This is what I have that I feel could assist me right now that are prescribed to me: neuontin, wellbutrin, seroquel (A's it's only rx'd at night) last night I only took half a 200mg pill and I'm still up so next time I'll take the whole thing.

There is one massive set back for me and leaves me clueless on what to do... Being Suboxone it's a strong opioid and nearly 40 times stronger than morphine, while using this my back pain isn't half as bad as it normally it's. I've been seeing a neurosurgeon who wants me to have back surgery but I keep prolonging it. Now, I really don't know what to do. The pain in my back is there 100% and I can't handle that on top of withdraw. I'm only 30 if you were wondering since I mentioned my back.
 
Fuck that shit, file a damn police report. You did'nt derserve that shit and its worth a shot anyways. id do it before i got ill for 3 weeks and have possible seizures from benzo withdraws due to a bunch of little pricks!

Go get your shit back or get more! Even see a different doc and explain and just ask for a few of each to stay out of withdraw. Someone's gotta help you out.

Good luck to you!
 
If my Dr wouldn't help me after a for l fire, because he said there was evidence a for occurred but not that my rx was in that fire.

I honestly don't know who took my scripts, I had 6 people here. Two I consider my best friends and they only drink. They wouldn't have done it. They had other opportunities over the past few years, and have no need for them. The other 4 are questionable.

A police report won't help. I had a break in 2 years ago, had a plasma tv, laptop and other things stolen. Nothing was ever done. The police here are a joke.

I can't get more, I don't have enough $ for 3 weeks of subs. I'm on disability for a wide range of ailments from severe anxiety, bipolar, my back and chronic daily headaches every day. The worst part is I have a 4 year old and feel rather shitty that I can basically only lay around curled in a ball.
 
Can you get some help with your child while you are sick? That's awful to be sick and needing to take care of a four year old at the same time!

Hang in there and tell yourself that every day that you go through being sick is one more day that you have put both the misery and subs behind you.<3
 
euphorictide said:
I have fioricet right now which is a barbiturate. Isn't loperamide brand name Imodium? I'm wondering how that can be an opiate. Just curious. I think Imodium will he'll help cuz I'm sure I'll have unpleasant effects that will require Imodium probably by today since it was close enough yesterday. I meant I'm going into day 4 since I've now been awake 24 hours.

I do get a script for klonopin, but not for almost 2 weeks.
This is what I have that I feel could assist me right now that are prescribed to me: neurontin, wellbutrin, seroquel (A's it's only rx'd at night) last night I only took half a 200mg pill and I'm still up so next time I'll take the whole thing.

There is one massive set back for me and leaves me clueless on what to do... Being Suboxone it's a strong opioid and nearly 40 times stronger than morphine, while using this my back pain isn't half as bad as it normally it's. I've been seeing a neurosurgeon who wants me to have back surgery but I keep prolonging it. Now, I really don't know what to do. The pain in my back is there 100% and I can't handle that on top of withdraw. I'm only 30 if you were wondering since I mentioned my back.
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So you are planning on resuming the suboxone when your script comes up again? If this is the case I would add loperamide to the that combination. It is a strong opiate. Thats how it works to stop diarrhea it bonds with the opiate receptors in your stomach to cause the same constipatory effects that opiates tend to do. The reason it is sold over the counter is that as soon as it passes the blood brain barrier it is immediately pumped back out by a process in the brain. It does interact with the opiate receptors in the brain but on such a limited bases that it does not produce much if any high and therefore is deemed to have a very low potential for abuse. It does however work really well for your exact situation. It is probably the best thing for cases where someone has a long time in between when they can get their medications or opiates. The neurontin is also a very good medication, the phenibut I was telling you about is pretty much an analog of that medication thats available through the internet.

Just a little heads up.. anything that seems to be typed in blue is usually a link.. so like the loperamide and the phenibut I typed above is linked to descriptions of those drugs. Here is some stuff on Loperamide. I know when I found out about loperamide I was blown away at how many times I had been really sick and a quick trip down to get an over the counter diarrhea medication would have made all the difference.

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol
 
To get you through a period without medication, as nsa said the benefit of loperamide cannot emphasized enough. Even with massive heroin tolerances this OTC drug made things bearable for me when I had to go a couple days without.
 
OP, what everyone has mentioned about loperamide is true. There were countless times <I> said "yaaaaa right, what the fuck is an OTC gonna do for me" and once he tried it, he was absolutely blown away at its effects. It makes complete sense too, as what causes constipation? opiates do.. what does loperamide do? you got it! Kratom also helps tremendously.

<I am> actually in a similar situation right now. He went from heavy H>subs>kratom>now loperamide. He's nowhere outta the woods as today is day 1 completely off everything and he's at about 90% comfort. SWIM cold turkeyed his sub with no problem at all with kratom but then had a hefty kratom habit and became worrisome that the worst was about to come.

This is what <I have> done in the past and is doing at the current moment:

2 Tagamet (cimetidine) pills
**wait 30-45 minutes**
20mg-40mg loperamide (just make sure their only ingredient is loperamide w/out any anti-gas & also no gel caps as those will create more discomfort)
drink down with grapefruit juice, or tonic water, or both as a cocktail (this along with the tagamet greatly enhances the loperamide's effects via central activity providing better relief)

You'll only need to dose the tagamet once per day but depending on the relief you get from the lope you might need to dose twice per day. Granted sub detox lasts forever and you won't wanna be mega dosing lope for weeks on end but you can decide that yourself. If it's a long stretch you'll wanna taper the lope too.

<I have> never used and then kicked kratom so he needed advice on that before, but he has experience in quitting every opiate there is at some time or another.

Best of luck!

EDIT: Hey KillTheKick.. and a warm welcome to Bluelight=D.. just a little heads up we dont use swim or any other representation for ourselves. The reason we dont practice this is it provides no legal protection and is hard to read. Nice post and I look forward to seeing you around the boards of Bluelight!
 
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Sorry, I have been curled in fetal position in my bed all day, still no sleep.

I'm not sure if I should go back. I think if I've detoxed do far and by then at next appointment it'd be nearly 3 weeks. But what makes me consider going back to the Dr is three reasons: a. The detox is reportedly extremely long and next appointment I'd probably have a slew of symptoms. B. To assist with back pain so I'm not in misery with my back anymore c. I don't trust myself after detox is complete. Regardless how badly I want sobriety. I'd rather taper. I feel a taper would be better.
 
Hang in there your doing great.. IMO you really need to get some Loperamide.. you have a little one to take care of and because of that I will just break it to you that you have at least ten more days to go until it starts to get better.. sending all my love<3<3<3 the advice given by KilltheKick is spot on and if I were you I would follow consider following it. You can then taper off the loperamide and still be able to function. Please heavily consider this. <3<3<3
 
euphorictide said:
If my Dr wouldn't help me after a for l fire, because he said there was evidence a for occurred but not that my rx was in that fire.

I honestly don't know who took my scripts, I had 6 people here. Two I consider my best friends and they only drink. They wouldn't have done it. They had other opportunities over the past few years, and have no need for them. The other 4 are questionable.

A police report won't help. I had a break in 2 years ago, had a plasma tv, laptop and other things stolen. Nothing was ever done. The police here are a joke.

I can't get more, I don't have enough $ for 3 weeks of subs. I'm on disability for a wide range of ailments from severe anxiety, bipolar, my back and chronic daily headaches every day. The worst part is I have a 4 year old and feel rather shitty that I can basically only lay around curled in a ball.
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Even around friends I trust implicitly i still hide my meds that I'm completely dependant on. It's just the nature of the beast and how desirable they are to some ppl.
 
euphorictide said:
Sorry, I have been curled in fetal position in my bed all day, still no sleep.

I'm not sure if I should go back. I think if I've detoxed do far and by then at next appointment it'd be nearly 3 weeks. But what makes me consider going back to the Dr is three reasons: a. The detox is reportedly extremely long and next appointment I'd probably have a slew of symptoms. B. To assist with back pain so I'm not in misery with my back anymore c. I don't trust myself after detox is complete. Regardless how badly I want sobriety. I'd rather taper. I feel a taper would be better.
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I tried a "spartan" oxy taper mainly for financial reasons and to get tolerance down for the last 2 weeks. Anyway I didn't know what was happening inside of me, when my doc took my bp it was dangerously high at 120/190. I strongly advise medical help with those kind of drugs.
 
Why on Earth did you come off of bupe at that high a dose? That's insane. Did I read your post right and that you said you stopped because you were pregnant? If that's the case, who told you to do that? Doctors recommend you stay on your maintenance medication because withdrawal is much worse for the baby.
 
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