New Combo-- wondering?

[telepathetic]

So, my fiance as i've posted in another thread has extreme tryptamine sensitivity, a normal person's one hit is like ten for her. Anywho, I was wondering about this combination:
30-45 minutes before dropping, pre-loading with 1mg of phrenzepam.
After that, taking 21mg 4-aco-dmt fumarate with 200mg methylone.

How do you think this'd work out?
Also, regarding roll-type substances + trips, in your experiance when the roll ends, does the crash come still even though you are tripping? Is this a bad idea? We both normally have horrible crashes from methylone.

 

[kobilica]

Crash comes, yes.

 

[Solipsis]

Not to alarm you but I've gotten myself a hospitalized panic attack from 4-AcO-DMT and methylone. It did involve GHB and a tablet of codeine, can't really say what really precipitated it...

Realize though that phenazepam is not really a very safe benzo, considering amnesia and stuff, and you should be very careful with benzo's and psychedelics in the first place so I would be extremely careful with what you are proposing and if you must, then stay on the lower side of the benzo dosing (rather too little than too much), don't redose the benzo and make sure you don't redose methylone either.

 

[Psychonautical]

I am immensely confused as to how 4-aco-dmt made you have a hospitialized Panic attack.

My guess is this, GHB plays with your memory. You become forgetful, and if you are becoming forgetful while tripping i can imagine that the concept of forgetting something would make a person fused in a psychedelic who is immensely aware of the brain functions, would fall into a paniced mindstate. i can totally understand why that would make someone Panic. That possibly mixed with the slightly more anxious buzz of the methylone, i could totally see random thought weirdness occuring. Spikes of anxious stimulation on top of a strong psychedelic feeling with almost no real memory of what happened 5 minutes ago.

example

On New Years my girlfriend Polished off 3/4's 1.4 LITER bottle of citrus vodka, and then wished to consume some 2c-i. About 40 minutes after swallowing the 2c-i she started to puke. About 5 minutes into her puke fest she calls my name, and i leave the party and she asks me "Chris, why the hell am i puking up rainbows??"

and i was like "did you forget that you took some 2c-i"

Her responce was " When did i take that?"
i told her 40 minutes ago, and she had absolutely no recollection of consuming it. she got nervous and went to lie down,
Rested for about an hour and then came out of the bedroom high as a kite exclaiming at the top of her lungs that she had "figured it all out" ^.^ she didn't ever appear drunk anymore, it was more or less like she had to puke to get the alcohol out that was blocking her short term memory and causing her to experience quite the scramble whilst peaking.

You see i think your short term memory plays a valuable role in psychedelics.
Obliterating it with GHB or Alcohol on top of an already slightly anxious stimulant
It's no wonder some problems developed.

I really really enjoy 4-aco-dmt, high dose amounts of it feel immensely like the time i drank ayahuasca without the vomiting and shitting.

 

[stormyweathers]

if she feels hits at a 10:1 ratio, 21mg would be a terrible idea

 

[TheAzo]

Also, regarding roll-type substances + trips, in your experiance when the roll ends, does the crash come still even though you are tripping? Is this a bad idea? We both normally have horrible crashes from methylone.

Yes, you do crash even though you're tripping, and that's probably not going to make for a good trip.


And, having read that other thread, she should take a lower dose, without other drugs involved, until she stays in control, before considering adding other drugs.

 

[greenmeanies]

yeah from your other posts, this sounds like a terrible idea.

has she ever even had M1 and 4-aco-DMT combined? those are full doses of each, and remember that 1+1=3 more often than not.

 

[Solipsis]

I don't buy the short term memory thing.

A couple of factors that contributed to my hospitalization were that I was already chronically anxious and tired and
psilocin, stimulants and GHB withdrawals can ALL cause panic attacks. That said, what happened was I somehow thought I had combined the wrong things (mainly the GHB and codeine even though it was no problem at all in reality) and it was getting harder and harder for me to breathe. In reality this was not the case. Because I overcompensated for my breathing I apparently hyperventilated so much that my blood became quite alkaline which can produce the subsequent disturbing symptoms I got after hospitalization i.e. shaking, really weird feelings of my heart and blood vessels and the idea that I was breathing less and less.
This was a vicious circle that really had not been necessary.
The thing is this wasn't a bad trip or something because psychologically I was feeling fine. It was the breathing that got me so worried. Like I couldn't feel myself breathing anymore or that I lost my autonomic nervous system or whatever so that I had to breathe consciously and in an entirely wrong way.

I withdrew from GHB because from chronic use I tend to get withdrawals pretty fast after relatively short binges. And the slow breathing made me refrain from taking any more GHB or any more dope at all for that matter. It was a combination of factors that
got way out of hand.

It was a fucked up night and it pretty much happened when I was past the peak of both M1 and psilacetin (though the psychedelic effects stayed lurking for a longer time than realized, a freaky effect of the stuff!). I probably shouldn't advise against this combination in general but this was what happened nonetheless.