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[Transform]

While the NBOMe series should all be legal, the inevtiable inclusion of small amounts of the 2C-X precursor is enough to stop UK vendors stocking them and might well be enough to wind one up with a conviction for possession.

 

[SpecialK_]

Snorting 2Cs is fucking awful, I've vowed to myself that I'm never going to suffer it again. It's not just serotonergics that give you the shits, dopaminergics/adrenergics do too (who doesn't like a nice coke-poo?), and MDMA is a mixed monoamine releaser, so it's probably a combination of factors. Then again, tobacco and cannabis both make me need to shit, as do some trips, the only drugs that don't are downers/opies.

Comeup shiteeeeeee! Was a popular term in the mephedrone days.

Anyone heard of Ocean Snow? I'm interested in finding out what's in this shit. My friend was quite unstable mentally and this really pushed him over. Some sort've understanding of what the drug was would aid in helping him.

 

[OTGee]

Ok thanks, was worried there as I really enjoy aMT and its the kinda thing I couldn't imagine many dealers stocking if it became illegal. It is pretty shit as I am very interested in DPT, MiPT, DMT and all the 4-ACO + 5-MEO shizzle but now I do not see me being able to obtain any. I mean 4-aco and 5-meo mipt and whatever else is in that 'series' that I use to organise them in my head. (maybe someone will understand what I mean)

I tried to order DOC the other day and its a class A in the UK, oh well maybe another time. Cant find any UK vendors for any other psychedelics really either so thats why im assuming they must be illegal or something. DALT doesn't seem like exactly what I want but it seems like its a worthwhile thing to have in the stash

 

[33Hz]

I just heard about MDME and it looks quite promising. I ordered some last night whilst high, but then this morning I started to wish I hadn't as I already have enough drugs for the weekend, so I cancelled my order.

It's just mislabeled 6-ABP. I'd stay clear of that vendor if I were you. He seems a bit sketchy. He was selling MXE under a stupid name as well.

 

[OTGee]

4-ACO-DALT
4-ACO-DET
4-ACO-DIPT
4-ACO-DMT
4-ACO-DPT
4-ACO-MET
4-ACO-MIPT
4-HO-DET
4-HO-DIPT
4-HO-DPT
4-HO-MET
4-HO-MIPT
5-MEO-AMT
5-MEO-DALT
5-MEO-DIPT
5-MEO-DMT
5-MEO-MET
5-MEO-MIPT

For the list of the 'series' I was refering to in my previous post, these are some of the substances I am most interested in taking.

 

[Vader]

Those are all ring-hydroxy tryptamines/esters or ethers of ring-hydroxy tryptamines, and apart from 4-AcO-DALT, 5-MeO-DALT and 5-MeO-AMT, all of them have alkyl substituents on the amine nitrogen and are therefore class A. 5-MeO-AMT sounds like a poison, it seems to be enjoyable for a few people but it's not a gamble I'd take.

While the NBOMe series should all be legal, the inevtiable inclusion of small amounts of the 2C-X precursor is enough to stop UK vendors stocking them and might well be enough to wind one up with a conviction for possession.

What's the law concerning traces of controlled substances? Does it have to be a usable quantity? Is there any precedent, or is someone going to have to find out the hard way?

 

[up.in.bristol]

The hard way, the black flag way I'm afraid,...

 

[OTGee]

Those are all ring-hydroxy tryptamines/esters or ethers of ring-hydroxy tryptamines, and apart from 4-AcO-DALT, 5-MeO-DALT and 5-MeO-AMT, all of them have alkyl substituents on the amine nitrogen and are therefore class A. 5-MeO-AMT sounds like a poison, it seems to be enjoyable for a few people but it's not a gamble I'd take.

What's the law concerning traces of controlled substances? Does it have to be a usable quantity? Is there any precedent, or is someone going to have to find out the hard way?

Okay, thanks for all your info mate. What a shame

 

[effie]

What's -DALT in it's various guises like? Worth a try, anyone?

 

[hx_]

What's the law concerning traces of controlled substances? Does it have to be a usable quantity? Is there any precedent, or is someone going to have to find out the hard way?

Something to do with the "admixture" clauses of the laws, if ANY illegal drug is contained the whole amount is as illegal as the drug it contains, otherwise people would just massively dilute things in order to import them legally

5-meo-dalt is odd. Like the Cannabis of the tryptamines - odd headrushy buzz and massive hunger/tiredness/actual muscle weakness.

 

[effie]

Hmm. Thanks hx_, not sure if I fancy that, but might give it a whirl sometime just because it's a legal tryptamine.. I am a huge fan of aMT though so will mostly stick to that I reckon.

 

[hx_]

Its an interesting one, and the "visuals" if you can call them that are interesting, kind of seems like a non downwards moving and transparent version of the matrix letters distorting the visual field. ie, everything looks distorted but clear at the same time, only on the edges of thousands of tiny square/geomtrical shapes. But you only sense them not see them. Bloody difficult to explain.

The hunger is something else tho, like when you have a heavy ganja smoke when already hungry. I get a proper I NEED TO EAT OR ILL STARVE feeling.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Those are all ring-hydroxy tryptamines/esters or ethers of ring-hydroxy tryptamines, and apart from 4-AcO-DALT, 5-MeO-DALT and 5-MeO-AMT, all of them have alkyl substituents on the amine nitrogen and are therefore class A. 5-MeO-AMT sounds like a poison, it seems to be enjoyable for a few people but it's not a gamble I'd take.

What's the law concerning traces of controlled substances? Does it have to be a usable quantity? Is there any precedent, or is someone going to have to find out the hard way?

As long as it is below 1% they will have difficulty prosecuting you. Especially if the illegal chemical in question is rolled in with another chemical that costs way way more. I think this is covered by the MoDA, where it states you must deliberately be in possession of a controlled substance. I'm sure if you bought in a ton of epsom salts that was 1% coke though you'd get pretty done though.

 

[Transform]

Further, it could well be several % as an impurity. So long as it does the trick, many of the labs producing this stuff are pretty unscrupulous and won't be bothered about supplying 95% purity or even lower.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Further, it could well be several % as an impurity. So long as it does the trick, many of the labs producing this stuff are pretty unscrupulous and won't be bothered about supplying 95% purity or even lower.

Very true. There is a guy over in ADD who got taken to court in Japan for importing a very small quantity. I had heard that they could just put some sort of scavenger in at the end, which would remove the 2CI?

 

[Transform]

I've a sneaking suspicion that it would be possible to use a modified simon's reagent to destroy the primary amine (2C-I), but I don't know how well this would work, and I know for sure it would push the price up quite considerably.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Even if you doubled the price it would still be a super cost effective psych I think. I mean bulk (personal) it would still cost less than a penny a dose.

 

[heizenburgthedon]

*snip*

I do believe you are trying to hard to promote yer goods n' wares - read the forum guidelines. NO DEALING

 

[killerd]

What's -DALT in it's various guises like? Worth a try, anyone?

I rather like DALT me, I'm still getting to know it though. I have the freebase and dose it orally, (dissolved in vodka 10 mins after some antacids as I would anything). Lower doses say ~25 mg are pleasant, 'the cannabis of tryptamines' is a pretty good description, all around quite nice, has a bit of warmth to it, mild headrush at times. The duration is astonishingly short - u can be in bed asleep at a normal hour, and the next day be fully functional, just with a slight, pleasant afterglow. It's quite relaxed, not tried it out and about but I'm pretty sure I'd want something uppy with it if I didn't wanna just lay around and chill. It gives you quite the munchies, I like taking it before I eat a meal.
Once I (naively) took about 35mgs then 50mgs an hour later, and it was a different beast, but I'd combined this with a good dose of Kratom so can't really be too specific, now this had me thoroughly out of it, the heaviness and trippiness I experienced I would def attribute to the DALT. I don't know if the DALT potentiates the cns depressant action of the Krat or what but retrospectively I'm not sure the combo / amounts I dosed then was all that safe so I don't plan on going there again.

I later read that Shulgin only did doses up to 20 mgs, which I think is definately something to consider. I think generally it's 10-15% impure, but assuming there's nothing too horrid in there I don't really mind what with the low dose & cost.

Also I'm curious as to what a bit might be like coming down after a night of stims, I've not tried this though.

But yeah to answer your question I'd say it's worth a look.

edit: 5-MeO-DALT in the above - sorry have realised I wasn't being specific!

 

[Shambles]

Still got some 4-AcO-DALT knocking about I've never gotten around to trying. Was gifted it ages ago but didn't fancy sampling whilst I was on the tramadol. Which means it's now become feasible to play with. Only got a tiddle though and never did get a great deal of info on it. Was a PD thread but seemed highly variable in terms of dose and effect last I looked so still not entirely sure how to make best use of it. Answers on a postcard...