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Neo-doves Part II

No its tempting though, maybe tonight. Was there a comedown on the NDs. If there was did it get worse the more you take?
 
gumby11 said:
No its tempting though, maybe tonight. Was there a comedown on the NDs. If there was did it get worse the more you take?
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yes and yes... had a 'comedown' as bad as any previous this week.... not fun... though there was a cocktail of other substances in the mix, but it was predominantly neo products.
 
Had 4 ND2s over 8 hours. Probably couldve done with just two. The effects off the first one were great, felt loved up and floaty and chicks were diggin me. Felt a bit detached when i went to a party where people were drinking, but after a few drinks felt loose and confident. One thing I noticed was my heart was beating heaps fast after i started drinking. Had a good nights sleep after 5 mgs of valium, and had no comedown whatsoever today.
 
If these are the same ND2s that were pulled from sale a while ago they are def. worth trying. (Unless you take a lot of drugs all ofthe time) The old ones were subtle, but guarenteed you a great night out/in.

I remeber feeling very talkative, uplifted, and a nice overall feeling of euphoria. They were not head strong like MDMA or some of the old range of ***s.
 
I was told the ND2 conent is very similar to the old one but "a bit different"

no comedown? i'll have to give them a try
 
The new version of sub coca is milder but more of a head than body high. It actually gave me more confidence and serene happiness than the original SC which is more speedy, albeit also more rushy. It was very clean and hardly any comedown today.

WOnder if the new ND2s are the same as the old ND2s that were out briefly last summer. Those were nice and clean but not as long-lasting as neodoves.
 
Phase_dancer and dr platypus, are you planning on doing any testing of the new products?
 
^ It's a possibility of course but we'll have to see what 'fallout' occurs with the previous test results (it's quite possible more is to follow). There's also a few other OTC products presently sold in Aus, that aren't without problems. I'd like to see these analysed as well.
 
First, I would like to report that I have tried the ND2’s. In my opinion, albeit subjective, the active substance is a phenethylamine, and probably an amphetamine analogue. The reason I say this is due to the increased duration of effect, and that it had a comedown that was equivalent to that of an 8-day meth binge (and this was only after one sitting of 3 ND2’s). Further to this, the chemical appeared to have a strong norepinephrine/epinephrine activity, mild dopaminergic activity, and little to no seretonergic activity.

Second, with regard to the old products, it would appear that Customs feel that they have the right to prevent these substances from being imported into states where the substances are not scheduled and there are no analogue laws – and thus legal? Specifically, Customs have determined that the ingredients are ‘drugs’, as defined in the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956, Regulation 5, which includes derivatives of substances which are scheduled drugs in the regulation.

According to the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956, Regulation 5(20), a derivative is defined as being “any substance chemically derived from the isomer or mixture of isomers and from which the isomer or mixture of isomers may be regenerated, and includes a salt of the isomer or mixture of isomers”. However, I suspect that this reasoning is erroneous, though hinges on the definition of derivative.

I believe that the substances contained within the neo range cannot/were not derived from chemicals that are scheduled within the act. Further to this, from my understanding, the regeneration of the products into isomers of any items scheduled in the act is not feasible

Specifically, Dimethylcathinone (Metamfepramone) is not pharmacologically derived from Diethylcathinone (Amfepramone), but is synthesised using α- bromopropiophenone (which can be derived from propiophenone) and dimethylamine, both chemicals that are not listed in Schedule 4 of the act. Further, the reduction of Dimethylcathinone to Diethylcathinone is pharmacologically implausible. Rather, if one was wishing to synthesise Diethylcathinone, he or she would use α- bromopropiophenone and diethylamine.

Do you think that what I am arguing here is correct?

Also, I was wondering whether anybody might provide some information on the precursor chemicals necessary for the synthesis of Phthalimidopropiophenenone and 4-Methyl-Methcathinone, and whether the reduction of the substances into cathinone and methcathinone respectively, is plausible within the laboratory (not in vivo), as is being suggested by Customs?

Any assistance with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I have posted the same questions in advanced drug discussion as I thought that I might be sampling from a different population with regard to collecting this data.
 
From my point of view, dimethylcathinone and 4-methylmethylcathinone would be considered derivatives of both cathinone and methylcathinone. The latter chemicals are scheduled under the Prohibited Import Regulations.

I doubt it has anything to do with how they are synthesised, as that would not be the intention of the legislation. Parliament wants to catch any chemical that is structurally similar, and therefore may exhibit similar pharmacological activity, to chemicals that are scheduled.

MDMA is not synthesised from methylamphetamine, but surely MDMA would be seen as a "derivative" of methylamphetamine. It certainly is referred to as being part of the "amphetamine" family of drugs.
 
i tried the new nd2. popped three. here's my notes comparing old(nd) with new(nd2)
-very white and a finer powder than the nd
- slight(unfamliar) smell, completely different to nd.
- roughly same come on time(for me about 20mins)
-a more gradual increase in effects than nd(prefer the nd)
- initial peak(for want of a better word) shorter than nd
- i found myself more relaxed than with the nd. ie i could listen to more than 2 tracks without gettin up (i got very fidgety and always had to be doing something while on nd much to the disdain of wife)
- way less fiendish than nd( i felt less of a insatiable pervert and didnt need to fuck for 4 hrs straight)..........much to the disdain of my wife
- probably the same difficulty sleeping as with nd
- to me they feel like being high on good weed but with no stoned/down feelings, very alert. does that make sense?
-no comedown at all( didnt have with nd either)
- didnt dry my mouth out like nd did, easier to urinate, overall better in water input/output
Conclusions- deff cleaner and less body load/physiological impact than nd(except as stated below(CONCERNS). less fiendish and less moreish than nd.
prolly need 3 to get a similar strength(not effect) to the nd
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CONCERNS. my wife and i both found our hands shaking, that is probably constant through out duration, but only noticeable when picking things up, opening doors etc. i recall reading somewhere about some substance that gave users "parkinson's like symptoms". never notice this effect with any other drugs i have had(not a long list mind u

read ya later
 
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Biscuit said:
From my point of view, dimethylcathinone and 4-methylmethylcathinone would be considered derivatives of both cathinone and methylcathinone. The latter chemicals are scheduled under the Prohibited Import Regulations.

I doubt it has anything to do with how they are synthesised, as that would not be the intention of the legislation. Parliament wants to catch any chemical that is structurally similar, and therefore may exhibit similar pharmacological activity, to chemicals that are scheduled.

MDMA is not synthesised from methylamphetamine, but surely MDMA would be seen as a "derivative" of methylamphetamine. It certainly is referred to as being part of the "amphetamine" family of drugs.
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Thanks for the info Biscuit. I believe that the point of diagreement pertains to the interpretation of the word 'chemically derived' versus 'structurally derived'(as per the clause in the WA Misuse of Drugs Act 1985 in which 'structural derivatives of methoxy phenethylamines are prohibited. Further to this, the actual definition of derivative that Customs provide does not seem to include mention of strcuture, only to those substances chemically derived from isomers or mixture of isomers from which the isomer or mixture of isomers may be regenerated.

I belive that a lawyer could use your argument, stating that my interpretation isn't in the spirit of the regulation, but I don't know how that would stand up.
 
Anyone tried the SCD's yet?

I plan to test them at an event on the weekend along with a cohort of mates. I will post a detailed trip report soon. It would be nice to know what I'm getting myself into though.
 
Mona Lisa said:
The new version of sub coca is milder but more of a head than body high. It actually gave me more confidence and serene happiness than the original SC which is more speedy, albeit also more rushy. It was very clean and hardly any comedown today.

WOnder if the new ND2s are the same as the old ND2s that were out briefly last summer. Those were nice and clean but not as long-lasting as neodoves.
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Just read that then.. Interesting, I enjoyed the rushing of the SC's.. The confidence part sounds good, I wonder if they make you talk as much shit as the SC's do. :\
 
Have snorted a capsule of ND2 with a friend (1/2 each), found that the effects were an increase in talkativeness, mild clean euphoria, slight stimulation and a fucking massive burn in the nostril. The effects after a line of about 1/6 of the capsule lasted 30 minutes or less and were definately not intense. Was able to sleep as soon as my head hit the pillow approx 2 hours after last doasge. Was starting to get a headache as the effects wore off, but no bad feelings the day after.
 
crappybones said:
so has anyone ordered any from the new range? what does scd even stand for? sub coca dove? hah
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I just read "Sub Coca Dragon" on a German site. I thought it would have been Sub Coca Dove.
 
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