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negative response to weed - bad idea to try acid?

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TropicThunder

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hi all.

well, some friends and I are tossing up trying lsd sometime in the near future. I'm keen to try it, but I'm a bit worried because while they smoke weed regularly, and I used to smoke with them, I had to stop because out of nowhere i started getting these weird feelings everytime I got baked.

I'd be sitting there, having a good time stoned, and suddenly I'd get a stupid thought about how I didn't fit in with the group and was some weird outcast (been mates with them since i started high school). everytime I'd look back after it, and either couldn't remember what I was thinking or if i could it would be completely retarded, though at the time it would seem blatantly obvious and true (one particular thought was "why am i sitting here with a beer? noone else has a beer. they must think i'm an alcoholic because I always have a beer when noone else is") which is ridiculous because I was just... having a beer! it didn't make sense at all the next day. it was always stupid thoughts like that, and eventually I just stopped smoking weed because it was happening every time and it started making me depressed everytime i smoked (this was GONE after I slept it off, never had any mental issues, depression or any of that stuff. I'd just get stuck in a loop of thoughts like that.

so my question is, with this reaction to weed, is trying lsd a bad idea? i've been doing alot of reading here about how underlying issues can cause problems, but apart from having a shit time from weed i'm generally a happy person.

cheers!
 
I'd say "not necessarily" to your original question.

I often get that exact same reaction to weed in social situations; it can be quite the anxiety provoker.

I find LSD much less anxiety provoking than pot. However I also don't do LSD in social situations.

Have you tried smoking weed by yourself? What does it do for you like that?

You should only do LSD with people you are completely comfortable with.
 
I tried smoking a couple of times by myself - never to get totally baked, but just to chill out/pass time watching tv or whatever. it didn't happen as much (from memory, I stopped smoking ~6 months ago) but i was only doing it by myself not long after i started and only when the anxiety was starting to creep in.

From what I've read on here, alot of people get this way with weed, I was just worried that lsd would have a similar affect.

it would probably be with 4 or 5 people. they're all very good mates - hang out with them every day, but not everyone is sure they want to do it so it might just be a couple.
 
It sounds like there's some apprehension in the group.

Even though you hang out every day doesn't necessarily mean they're good trip partners.

I guess you'll find out when you dose. It's kind of hard to know until then. You'll figure it out one way or another.

Personally I've tried using psychedelics around people but I don't know anyone who is good to trip around. Most people around here are all about alcohol and stimulants and aren't comfortable with themselves enough to trip. I have learned this by trying it and now I know that tripping is a solitary activity for me. :)
 
Yep, there's definitely some apprehension but we'll see how it pans out.

not sure when we'll be doing it but it's available so shouldn't be too long, guess I'll find out either way lol. not worried about the people I'm doing it with but who knows? might hate it.

just wanted to get that weed issue cleared because that was my main issue with it. cheers for the help.
 
JMHO if weed makes you paranoid and afraid with mild dissociative - loss of control feelings then you are a high probability candidate to completely FREAK out because LSD does that dissociative thing but adds full blown hallucinations and sometimes will make predisposed individuals have psychotic breaks.

It is rare, most people have a stable enough personality to handle it.

I post this though because I have witnessed people take psychedelics and have a psychotic break. This was like 12 years ago, but my guess is LSD is still LSD!

That being said it could be the most amazing experience of your life! Search your soul for what you feel is right inside and true to your heart!
 
I would tread carefully; I have seen people (myself included) create stories in their head about what others are thinking and then get subsequently lost in uncomfortable thought loops. Perhaps you should try taking a low dose (half a tab) and see what unfolds. Worst case scenario have some benzos nearby to relax you if things get stressful.

I don't mean to deter you--trying L has the potential to open your mind to some amazing things. I just want you to be safe and have a good time :)
 
TropicThunder said:
I'd just get stuck in a loop of thoughts like that.

so my question is, with this reaction to weed, is trying lsd a bad idea? i've been doing alot of reading here about how underlying issues can cause problems, but apart from having a shit time from weed i'm generally a happy person.

cheers!
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I encourage you to check out a couple recent threads from the last couple days if you haven't already:

"The LSD/Psychedelic Thought Loop"

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=473346

"Have i messed up my brain on psyhadelics(sic)??"

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=472990

Acid can be heavy stuff, in both positive and negative terms. If someone has as an adverse reaction to weed, they may have an adverse reaction to acid as well, and if they decide to do acid they should start with a very low dose of acid at first. If they have a reliable friend that knows the strength of the hits, its responsible to at first try no more than 1/3 of a regular dose. For example if a friend says 1 hit is a good dose, a first timer should start off with no more than 1/3 of a hit.

People that don't have any pre-existing mental health problems and are generally happy should be fine, but acid can be a catalyst for underlying hereditary mental health issues. Acid can trigger psychosis in people that have underlying mental health issues that haven't surfaced yet. Usually these mental health symptoms start to show in people's early adulthood, so acid has a higher potential of triggering any conditions someone may have in people that haven't reached adulthood yet. Al though it could potentially trigger a mental condition at probably any age. Acid can be very intense, and somewhat traumatic. It can be either positive trauma or negative trauma so it is important for those considering trying acid to look into whether their family has a history of schizophrenia or any other serous mental health conditions. If no, then most people should be completely fine if they start with a low dose and make their way up slowly.

Out of many people that have generally positive reactions to acid, very few have extremely adverse reactions to it when using it responsibly. Al though some people experience temporary psychosis and some people notice adverse effects for months to occasionally years afterwards. My understanding of people that notice long term effects of acid, such as Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD), in general tend to have done considerable amounts over an extended period of time, so do research, and if one decides to try acid, don't overdo it. Respect LSD.
 
In short: it depends what the reason is for your negative response to weed, it might be because you + weed is just coincedentally a bad combo because of your makeup, it might be because you have underlaying anxiety or issues that only come out sometimes as these 'weird feelings' but really have a reason that either show themselves in the course of your life or with some kind of therapy.

If you want to try acid anyway, whatever else you do start extra slow with the dose. If you can't be positive about the dose titrate your way up from zero. If you don't know what I mean by titrate, please look it up as sometimes its a vital way to relatively maximal possible safety. LSD can be treatment in and of itself but it can also backfire especially if used unprofessionally (which is of course the majority of cases) :)
 
If you get anxious on weed it doesn't mean you'll definitely be anxious on acid.

Like has been said keep the dose low and you'll probably have a great time... high doses of acid have the potential and generally do provoke more social anxiety and mindfuck then any amount of weed ever could though.
 
i think you'll be fine - but, don't go into it thinking you might have a bad time - the worry itself can make you feel badly.. long ago i took my first strong dose and i remember saying to my friend 'i think we might have taken too much!' and he laughed hysterically.. but the idea that something was mysteriously dangerous about acid stayed with me and worried me sometimes.. its great to know the facts about LSD because you can then feel safe.. :)
 
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Indeed. You can genuinely convince yourself you've gone 'insane' on LSD. This can freak people out alot as they think they're stuck like this forever (has happened to me more then once). Its important to know no matter how crazy you feel you WILL eventually sober up and regain your sanity. After some experience, I actually get a thrill from feeling insane and manic on psychedelics now.

Tip to OP: Don't smoke weed while your peaking on the acid.
 
I really can't stand cannabis - it does my head in, in a very negative way. Never has a drug provoked so much paranoia, anxiety (panic attacks), depressive thoughts, and misery than the cannabinoid family of drugs.

Lucy, and other psychedelics however - I get on great with them. They are completely different. Everybody has sketchy moments on psychedelics, you just learn over time how it works, and that you are not really the butt-end of some evil cosmic joke but rather part of the flowing beauty of our wonderous and unexplored universe. Things may appear strange when embarking on these jouneys, but that is what exploration is about - discovering the undiscovered and embracing it's awesome nature.
 
For me personally I decided to try mushrooms before messing with acid. It will show you what tripping is like with a more mellow edge, and while still extremely intense you can (in my experience) swerve your mind in and out of the hallucinations.
 
I get weird anxiety like that when i get high too.. honestly weed isnt my fav of all the drugs but on the other hand LSD is pure amazing! ha, my suggestion would be to try acid either alone or with someone you trust a lot, in a very comfortable place with cool music (Darkside of the moon is a classic for tripping) and go for a walk.... but never do it at a party or with a lot of people cuz thats when it could easily turn bad
 
To the OP:

You're in good company--the great Alexander Shulgin has traversed the psychedelic landscape relatively unscathed only to be undone by the evil weed. You can read all about it in PIHKAL/TIHKAL.

PS: I'm the same way, and gave up the reefer over five years ago... :)
 
I read about Shulgin not liking weed. It wasn't much on it though. I wish thos eparts of PIHKAL/TIHKAL were available online.

I suppose the non-chemistry stuff is only in the printed books?

I really would like to read more on his view of marijuana. I myself find psychedelics smooth sailing while weed can be hit and miss sometimes. It can also send me into full blown panic attacks but not often. I do still enjoy smoking a joint once in a while.
 
PepperSocks said:
I read about Shulgin not liking weed. It wasn't much on it though. I wish thos eparts of PIHKAL/TIHKAL were available online.

I suppose the non-chemistry stuff is only in the printed books?

I really would like to read more on his view of marijuana. I myself find psychedelics smooth sailing while weed can be hit and miss sometimes. It can also send me into full blown panic attacks but not often. I do still enjoy smoking a joint once in a while.
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yea i guess we have to buy the books for those parts:\
 
puckboy said:
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Indeed. You can genuinely convince yourself you've gone 'insane' on LSD. This can freak people out alot as they think they're stuck like this forever (has happened to me more then once). Its important to know no matter how crazy you feel you WILL eventually sober up and regain your sanity. After some experience, I actually get a thrill from feeling insane and manic on psychedelics now.

Tip to OP: Don't smoke weed while your peaking on the acid.
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It is shocking at first. I like the feeling of going nuts too. The first time it felt like i was odly somewhere familiar I had been many times before. It makes me think.. maybe all the "crazy" people have a more complete grasp on reality... we just look down on it because it isn't conducive to functioning in society and obviously wasn't helping the species back in the super old school days.

The only thing that can bother you is the loops though. They can be pretty knarly. You'll feel like your gonna be stuck in this really weird place that exists as a different unique reality... like there is the world but then you took acid and it didn't change you, you changed the world around you....
 
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