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SmeK

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Hey just curious here... i used to be a heavy smoker but ive cut down over the last year to an occassional bong or two ... because of really bad effects..
When i was stoned before.. if im worried bout something ill start to twitch like my arms legs etc.... it was like i was doing it conciously but yet couldnt control it ( weird ) and also having ' whiteys ' where my vision would go and id feel like i was dying and couldnt breathe .. sometimes id even faint.. =/ im wondering if anybody else has experienced this and if anybody has an explanation??
 
ive had effects similar to what you describe. i've got low blood pressure and whenever i stand up after sitting down for a long time, i lose vision and orientation and almost black out for about 20-30 seconds as all the blood rushes from my head. the twitching thing sounds like just a nervous habit. annoying yes, and can be beaten just by focusing on the problem. the best solution i ever heard (worked first time for me when i was younger) was, whenever u catch yourself twitching your leg or blinking or whatever, stop yourself and take 3 deep slow breaths. ur body should start being conditioned to stay relaxed in your nervous state and you'll forget all about the twitching.. took me a few days to get over it i think. yeh as for the other thing, maybe ask your doctor to check your blood pressure next time your there, he might be able to give you some supplements or something? anybody else got ideas?
 
It's happened to me before(almost fainting/vision white), and i've seen two ppl totally pass out directly after taking large tokes. All three were one off incidents. If it happens regularly to you i would say go see your doc. be frank and open about it, there might be and underlying reason(such as blood pressure)
 
hehe... cool, other people experience the 'white outs' too...
i copped a glorious one today. stood up from the couch, nearly made it to the back door before my vision nearly faded to a complete white - i quickly made my way back to the couch! i know it's probably a good indicator that i'm not looking after myself (i know i'm not)... but its so much fun! its like a free trip...
i guess i'm lucky - i've never passed out before (i'm not including those drinking binges when i was younger)
the whole rush to the head thing, well, i'd never associated it with smoking. it happened to me before i ever choofed, and it doesn't seem to happen at a greater frequency than before. I think i just have to eat more.
of course, if you're really concerned, see a doctor. better safe than sorry :)
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Thats why I have stopped smoking the stuff. It's a real shame when weed decides to turn on ya.
SmeK do the leg twitches happen to you even when your laying down? That's when I really notice them. Thats after sitting/standing up becomes too unbearable and scary to be honest.
It probably is a nerve related thing like someone up *there* said. I do have elevated blood pressure, high for my age, and anxious/OhSeeDee'y personality. anxiety/"nerves" causes bp elevation.
just out of interest, has an SSRI figured in your equation at all?
 
simpledimple.. did u get the twitching after taking an ssri???
I took zoloft 3 years ago for about 2 months.. i immediately started titching after taking it!! this has been going on for 3 years.. i get twitching ALL the time.. worse when i lay down??
even a neuro specialist doesnt know wats up
 
Im on SSRI's, tho have withdrawn for 1 week and will contuinue to withdraw this week hopefully :)
I did find that i was twitching majorly some nights when bent and on them. I passed this off as just me, though it did happen a-l-o-t
 
volume-A Yeah I did, and still do. I also get these twitches I hate on my face, sort of like frowning and slight nose twitches but not voluntarily. I was put on aropax, it would have been nice to hear your zoloft treatment was better.
I notice it more when I'm laying down too, when I was on them just before sleep..so when your body is in it's most physically relaxed state but when your still concious to know whats happening.
I've heard and read the twitching, tics and tardive dyskinetia(sp?) are irreversable. So I have a real bad feeling that if it isn't reversable then no more pleasent relaxed stonings from the good ole days we all love. That's real convenient too because ecstacy, speed, psychadelics are affected negatively by them too. Convenient for the WOD's that is. To prescribe massive amounts to young people and in the face of permanently damaging their minds is dispicable.
There's twitches on weed without SSRI use, but theres other unrelated twitches when you add in SSRIs.
The big question is, why and how the hell are these drugs effecting dopamine (I assue they are since this controls movement is what I have read), they aren't as fine tuned as the name would suggest I don't think.
On the twitching on weed when laying down on your back do you kind of notice yourself, aswell as the twitches.. constantly adjusting your toes/feet slightly continually?
Weed and SSRI's don't mix, along with SSRI's and anything else recreational apart from benzo's. Long term I have no idea but I hope one day ill be able to have a smoke happily again!
Being stoned, even when it is good is a fragile state, SSRIs wreak havoc with it I think. I can't see how it couldn't.
SSRI's ease you in to accepting things. For instance with weed, I tried smoking not long after being on the medication, the difference was massive, it was a *fucked* stoning, one or two cones and I was tripping shit. But you keep smoking in the weeks following and it becomes normal, still with really messed up effects that you just deal with, then you blame it on the weed, but it's the SSRI.
funki, I wouldn't hold my breath on the twitches having disappeared totally. In the beginning the twitches are more prevailent I noticed that too. But they do cause permanent movement damage I think. Even if you very rarely get twitches and never noticeable tics, you might for instance go to throw a ball one day and it flies the wrong way. You might pour a glass of water and your hand is slightly stiffer than it used to be and you drop the bottle, you may not even make the connection and it's impossible to know for sure of course, but you know this: SSRIs effect movement, SSRIs effect movement in some more than others, SSRIs affect on movement becomes more advanced and at different rates in some than others. From what I've read the people really complaining and taking legal action are the ones who were prescribed or stepped up to =or>40mg paroxetine. For the other SSRIs I don't know but zoloft is obviously a mofo too.
 
In the midst of a grief related period, I tried Aropax (Paroxetine) for a week. I stopped because I was tripping full time, and anxiety was worse than ever.
I was smoking 6-8 joints a day when taking the SSRI. I really didn't think at the time that this would have caused the unbearable drug induced sense of strange tripping, or a complete inability to sleep - 5 days straight - and the heightened feelings of anxiety; anxiety being something I rarely noticed from dope itself.
But after reading the above posts, I'm beginning to think smoking may have contributed considerably, and it does make good sense. Going against the Dr's advice at the time, I went off Aropax and tried valium for the grief, which I found effective.
I did an experiment a year or so later and took a 20mg aropax without smoking or taking any other drugs including coffee for that day. The feelings were recognisable as soon as it came on - frustrated anxiety.
I know a girl who used aropax for a buzz, taking 60-80mg everyday as a starting dose. This really fucked her up, and to make matters worse she was E'ing, speeding and drinking as well, upping the MDMA dose to compensate for down-regulation or 5HT depletion. She's off it all now, but not surprisingly still has lots of troubles.
Another guy I know has been on Aropax since 94. Once a big smoker, he said the Aropax had made him feel like giving up dope, which he did. His dose was 60mg/day when I last saw him over 2 years ago. He experienced twitching and other discomforts, but accepted them in preference to how he is without the drug, which is impossible to describe without shocking. He had also changed in appearance, displaying similar characteristics that long term MAOI's users seem to.
I have the Aropax pharmacology paper released by the company in 1992. It states Aropax should only be used when taken in doses not exceeding 40mg/day. There is no consideration of patients being on the drug long enough for a developed tolerance to require doses higher than 40mg. Does this mean it was considered a cure? ;)
An interesting side note is that Paroxetine has much of the MDMA molecule in its structure. Were designers trying to emulate some of the properties of MDMA with this invention? I don’t know of any other antidepressant drugs modeled around the methylenedioxyphenyl group.
Paroxetine = (-)-trans-4R-(4'-fluorophenyl)-3S-[(3',4'-methylenedioxyphenoxy) methyl] piperidine HCl hemihydrate.
…and for the inevitable question; no, you cannot easily make MDMA from it.
 
ill 2nd that mr mod. weed and ssri`s dun mix .
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From Depression and Cannabis:
Patients who use cannabis to "relax" may be treating the anxiousness sometimes associated with depression. Cannabis aids the insomnia sometimes present in depression and can improve appetite. Better pain control with cannabis can reduce chronic pain related depression. While cannabis cannot yet be considered a primary treatment of major depression it may improve mood when used under physicians supervision and in combination with therapy and/or SSRI’s.
Seems like they're not pointing to any specific bad reactions between SSRIs and cannabis...
From UK Medicines Information - Does cannabis interact with antidepressants?:
2. Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors
A single case report describes the advent of mania in a patient taking fluoxetine (20mg daily) and cannabis (9). Symptoms included euphoria, excitement, agitation and delusions of grandeur. Before starting fluoxetine, the patient had used cannabis by itself uneventfully. Upon resumption of fluoxetine alone, the patient complained of feeling "hyper". This suggests that if an interaction occurred at all, it was a potentiation of the rare manic-inducing properties of fluoxetine. However, the possibility that fluoxetine alone caused her symptoms cannot be discounted.
There are no other reports of this reaction with fluoxetine and cannabis, and no interactions have been described between cannabis and any other SSRI. Of particular note is one study in which fluoxetine was given to 22 alcoholics in an attempt to decrease their utilisation of cannabis (10). Despite concomitant use in most patients no interaction was reported. Fluoxetine use in these patients was associated with a decreased utilisation of cannabis.
Both SSRIs and cannabis are very widely used. There are no published studies suggesting that co-administration should be routinely avoided although combinations other than cannabis with fluoxetine have not been formally tested.
Some information that I stumbled on that may help.
BigTrancer :)
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yeh
i think bongs every day have killed my short term memory..
i've got it back in the last week (since i've cut down from a lot a day, to maybe 1 bong a day).
 
I used to be a heavy bong smoker for around 3-4 years and I did find that my short term memory deteriorated significantly. In the last 8 or so months I have cut down *a lot* and have found that stm does improve some-what although not necessarily to the same level that it was once at.
What's worried me is that at times of high concentration- such as a challenging math problem or at the climax of a golf swing while concentrating on the ball, I get this inability to think or focus on anything- like my vision is scrambled for a split second and all my thoughts are stopped- it's as if my brain ceases to function entirely for that 1/4 of a second. Is this common to anybody else? It doesn't happen to me all the time, only once every few weeks now but when it does it's pretty intense and I'm starting to think that maybe it's not ever going to go away considering the fact that I've stopped major usage for a long period of time yet these problems are persisting- no there's no point seeing a doctor because it's more than likely he wont be able to give me any long term solutions, even if he thinks he can he'll just prescribe me some shit that I wont even know if it is making difference because it doesn't happen often enough for me or anybody else to judge it's effectiveness.
Wha I want to know is- has anybody else experienced anything like this (and it's not the same as the loss-of-vision previously described by others as the circumstances are quite different) and does this kind of thing go away with time?
ps- I'm not on any pharmaceutical drugs
 
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