Negative effects of DMT

[skinwalker]

I know 'almost' everyone that has tried dmt completely loves it, like myself.
You dont here about the negatives very much.
I tried shrooms and dmt this weekend and loved it. Was researching serotonin syndrome and i may have experienced this slightly while under the deems. Kinda hesitant to try the combo again after reading and possibly experiencing this.
Has ne one experienced this or does ne one have negative physical effects while under or shortly thereafter? and no "Doesn't last long enough" responses please.

 

[helium-4]

You can not get serotonin syndrome from using DMT and shrooms (even in conjunction). DMT and 4-PO-DMT/4-HO-DMT are not serotonin releasers (or ruptake inhibitors), they agonists at the 5-ht2a receptors (the receptors theorized to be the source of the psychedelic properties of the traditional psychedelics [tryptamines and phenethylamines]). Apparently there is a possibility with the combination of DMT with an MAOi (high doses), for serotonin syndrome, but I feel like i need to look more into that, before i make an real judgments.

The largest risks with the potential for serotonin syndrome comes from combining serotonin releasers, potentially certain types of serotonin agonists, or some other form of drug that increases the amount of serotonin with in the body (ie SSRIs because of the extended period of serotonin the synapses due to them not being uptaked back into the neurons vesicles, or MAOi's because they prevent MAOs from removing the serotonin essentially from the synapses because the MAOi's bind with the MAO's and prevent the serotonin from being broken down).

I've found DMT to have some what of a bodyload. When breaking through or even just high doses, I feel like the DMT has a semi dissociative like effect (detaching from the physical body), so I don't notice much in the way of body load at the body. The suddenness still excites my body and causes me to get anxious (having anxiety problems doesn't help ), but when you are breaking through, there isn't much you an do.

Lower doses sometime I can get a body load that just makes the experience uncomfortable, but the bodyload is mainly in the way of a large pressure pushing upon all of my body. I haven't gotten any sort of nausea from DMT, but I've only smoked it.

 

[skinwalker]

Thanks for the response it really puts my mind at ease. It makes sense that with an maoi it could be a possibility, reason why it is on the wikipedia list.
I just want to still enjoy the deems, I feel like it has helped me in ways I cant explain and would hate to give it up.
I know what you mean about that initial anxiety, so powerful there is no way to really prepare yourself. I find packing the bowl brings it out, so ill wait a few after packing, then out of nowhere ill let it rip.
I agree low doses are uncomfortable and confusing, kinda like when you start to feel the comeup on shrooms - I think it is that uncertainty of how far your gonna go, unlike when you know you hit your peak and your like okay I can handle this.

 

[skinwalker]

Now that I think about it I did take an maoi, chocolate.....guess I better skip that next time

 

[villian]

Doesn't last long enough

 

[GratefulFloyd]

Now that I think about it I did take an maoi, chocolate.....guess I better skip that next time

Is this post serious?

 

[smellytim]

i cant imagine maoi + dmt could cause serotonin syndrome- its not like people have been taking these things together successfully for thousands of years.

 

[tBirdee]

I think what you thought was SS was really just you trippen bawlz broo

 

[skinwalker]

Is this post serious?

I know, bad post. A little too eager to reach my 50th post I admit.

Tbirdee: I think your right I was trippin on my ballz......oh wait......i mean trippin bawlz.

 

[cogito ergo sum]

Haha other than my normal dreaming becoming more vivid like back when I was a child, I haven't noticed anything negative. DMT is pretty much harmless to your body since your pineal gland supplies it naturally.

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

Haha other than my normal dreaming becoming more vivid like back when I was a child, I haven't noticed anything negative. DMT is pretty much harmless to your body since your pineal gland supplies it naturally.

Theoretically.

But Its funny you mention your dreams becoming more vivid, I have been doing an experiment since my last extraction...

Before bed I have been smoking less than 10mg of DMT (my scale wont weigh smaller increments, what I smoke says 0.00 G when I weight it, verry small amount). It is just barely enough to get that alertness almost like the fight or flight feeling, and when I close my eyes after several minutes of trying to drift off to sleep I will notice that the things I see with my eyes closed are a little more intricate and defined and interesting than usual. So its a slightly noticeable amount of DMT that I smoke.

Since doing this on a regular basis I have been having much more vivd dreams.

I have also been noticing a nice euphoric/energetic/antidepressant effect lasting well into the next day, equivalent in feeling to how I feel when I get really good sleep, but magnified by 30.

Sorry for going off topic.

 

[kkgb1035]

i dont know about anyone else on here but dmt really effected my sleep. I did make the mistake of abusing it using a few times a day for almost a week which i dont believe in at all , i think its to special of a substance.Anyway i started having really horrible thoughts and waking up trough out the night seeing demons in my room and a very unpleasent state of mind.

i do love deemster though and is definatly one of the most special magical things in life

 

[Ismene]

You don't really need to mix with deemster with mushrooms if you're takng an MAOI. The MAOI (particularly moclobemide) will turn the mushroom trip into something which is pretty much exactly the same as an oral DMT trip. It's something fucking magical - probably the greatest psychedelic experience you can have.

 

[electric spirit]

^ Still need to try that some time. But what are you talking about exactly when you say it's more like dmt? To me, moclo+dmt is more clear/crisp, both visually and mentally, and has a more solid commanding presence compared to a normal mushroom trip (if that makes any sense), would you agree with this?
Also, do you need less mushrooms or is it about the same in terms of intensity than without moclo?

 

[MrTiHKAL]

i dont know about anyone else on here but dmt really effected my sleep. I did make the mistake of abusing it using a few times a day for almost a week which i dont believe in at all , i think its to special of a substance.Anyway i started having really horrible thoughts and waking up trough out the night seeing demons in my room and a very unpleasent state of mind.

i do love deemster though and is definatly one of the most special magical things in life

I have found dmt to effect my sleep, if ive blasted off a few times it usually takes me a couple of hours before i can sleep but i have found I need less sleep, I usually need 7 hours to feel completely rested but the day after dmt i find i am completely fine on only 5 hours.

Also when I wake up and first open my eyes after a session I will be tripping (slight oev's) for about 5 seconds, this is if i wake up in the night or even if i have slept the full night, but i have never been scared by it, as it fades quickly.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed anything like this.

Peace

 

[Splitz]

^ You technically only need 4 hours sleep anyway. People who sleep 4 hours tend to live longer than those who sleep for 8.

 

[Ismene]

^ Still need to try that some time. But what are you talking about exactly when you say it's more like dmt? To me, moclo+dmt is more clear/crisp, both visually and mentally, and has a more solid commanding presence compared to a normal mushroom trip (if that makes any sense), would you agree with this?
Also, do you need less mushrooms or is it about the same in terms of intensity than without moclo?

Mushrooms and moclo for me is exactly the same as a DMT and moclo trip, only no nausea and it lasts 3 or 4 times longer. It has a very long-lasting peak with incredible DMT visuals.

I know it's supposedly not possible for the psilocin to be converted into DMT by the moclo but SOMETHING happens that makes it like a DMT trip rather than a mushroom trip. And I can't convice anyone of this in words - the only way you will ever understand what I'm talking about is to take mushrooms with moclobemide.

As for dosage it depends how comfortable you are with DMT. If you like the idea of being in DMT space for 5 or 6 hours with the world exploding around in you in jewels and fractals then take your normal dose of mushrooms and just add 300mg of moclobemide. It's a LOT more psychedelic than an ordinary mushroom trip. Lot better bodyhigh too.

 

[krissilasn]

Id say anxiety throws me off the most in higher doses of DMT smoked. Just cause of the fast onset I find it a bit hard to focus on the change.

 

[TheAppleCore]

DMT is pretty much harmless to your body since your pineal gland supplies it naturally.

Flawed logic. Your body only contains trace quantities of DMT at any given moment -- much less than those ingested for entheogenic purposes. Our bodies are not genetically adapted to process psychedelic quantities of DMT.

Although, as it happens, we are able to handle it quite well, and it is a relatively benign drug.

 

[Ismene]

Our bodies are not genetically adapted to process psychedelic quantities of DMT.

Flawed logic. If they arn't genetically designed to do it, how do they do it then?