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I put myself into a rehab at a pretty high cost. I stayed 42 days and never felt the "pink cloud" they said I'd feel at least temporarily when getting out. I just relapsed within 48hrs after getting out of rehab. I have recently stopped, went through withdrawals cold turkey, and it felt like hell. Again. Since then I just don't feel like my old self E.G. No enjoyment in work or other activities that I used to really love. My drug of choice is heroin via snorting. So I'm not saying I'm a super junkie and I'm sure others here have had it worse than me. I go to na meetings now it seems like it works for some, but I dread it, I hate saying I'm powerless and that I have a disease I have a hard time with the higher power thing as well. I would like to hear that I will one day feel enthusiasm for life again because without that I will just talk myself into using again. Does anyone here relate? Has anyone experienced their lust for life returning?
 
Hey bored<3 Welcome to BL.. I feel better now than I probably have in my whole life.. I abused and was addicted to drugs for over two decades.. coke, opiates, and booze were the big ones.. give yourself more time.. and So many people struggle with the wording on those steps... here is a good way to look at the the powerless thing, the addiction come from the unconscious, the unconscious is a much older more powerful portion of the brain that will win in a struggle with the conscious given any amount of time at all.. also it just reminds us that even if we are able to come up with a plan that works for normal use we wont ever be happy with it and that may be something we are powerless over.. also there are other things out there besides the fellowships but I would really do the steps as they work here is a post that I put up in another thread hope it can help you out.. check out the links provided in it..

So we have the twelve step groups..

positives is that they have meetings that are dopamine factories and this is why we addicts usually walk out feeling really good from a meeting. We give ourselves mad credit with self applause and clean time (dopamine) the sense of belonging to a group (dopamine), meditation or prayer for those still suffering ( dopamine), the "high achieved from public speaking (dopamine and adrenalin), successfully working through our problems (dopamine), also the way meeting are its kinda like CBT a bit, as it is so common for people in a meeting to talk about an experience they had and then share how they were thinking about that experience in a negtive way so it was driving them mad or making them depressed and then people share how their sponsor or another person said why are you looking at this in this way when this is a far better way fro you to apraoce this or think about it... that combined with all the NA/AA worldwide approved catch phrases on how to alter your thought >Best wisdom or advice on staying clean you have heard at a recovery meeting??< and in result change your perception provide a pretty good cognitive behavior therapy formulated by aditx for addicts.. cognattive behavirail therapy has reslts as good or better than medication with SSRI's. And dpression is often the result of and main promoter of depression ( and yeah i said that correct).. this is why you see some of our most popular and most posted in threads are

>Today I am thankful for... ver. 2: thankful for all the darksiders!<

>Share something POSITIVE from your day!<

>Managing Depressive Thinking<

> Good things about being off drugs/getting sober<

>CONTROLLING DEPRESSIVE THINKING SCHOLARLY<

>Becoming Aware of Your Depressive Thoughts<

>DEPRESSION AND MENTAL CONTROL<


Then we have the steps..

Some of the important things they do is well the powerless thing, yeah people get all messed up on this one and i did to.. completelly awful way of wording there.. the addictive drive comes from our subconscious and it crazy but the part of brain that we do not follow its thought is much older and much more powerful that our conscious.. So basically this step tries to take us around the illusion that our conscious mind is in control and will be able to keep that promise of never using on will power alone. It also reminds us that there is and never will be a way for us as addicts to use responsible and still be happy. Sure a bunch of us came up with some cocimany way to use in moderation after the first 100 million grand ideas we had failed in less time than it would take to write the nonsense down, but we just dont seem to get much from moderate use and it causes cravings and suck IMO.

>the idea of the elephant and the rider<

Also the steps tell us to turn our will and life over to god.. but since he already gave that to us, for some unknow reason that had nothing to do with avoiding problems for us IMHO:).. So i just choose to follow my heart and listen to it and belive in it.. both these may sound a little crazy and mystical but they actually have a profound psychological benefit, especially for addicts. If you have read through the definition of addiction that is posted in the beginning of this thread > Addiction Guide < and then tie it in with the addiction cycle a little later in that thread, emotions are probably the biggest drive in addiction and relapse. We as clean and using addicts have untrue and insanely unnaturally high emotional response.. emotions are how the subconscious manipulates the conscious mind to do its bidding.. and it would not suprise me at all if some of this heighten emotion is due to the hypothalamus ramping up the strength of its emotional response to try to return to base line its effectiveness even with the drug we were addicted to still in our system and damping that response.

The brain likes the brain.. how the brain likes it brain:\ and the more we manipulate it the more it adjusts to include our manipulations and return to its baseline functioning.. good examples of this are the phenomena of tolerance and withdrawal.. because the brain constantly adjusts to incorporate the substances that are constantly used.. and when we take that substance out of the tolerance adjusted system it will swing out of adjustment for awhile and this is one of the reasons for all the negative symptoms.. also if you look at a possibility of how the computing system in the brain works, it could be something like problem that needs addressing is tagged with an emotion to alert, to drive and correlate this new problem with similar problems. In a normal unmanipulated brain the problem is logged as solved with a release of dopamine and the disappearance of that emotion. The problem with us addicts is that we circumvent this system by introducing our own dopamine witch hasn't come from a successful resolution.. Therefore I think it a really good bet that all these emotions we have logged as solved, but never dealt with and on top of that logged a deadly solution of use of a drug that causes tolerance, are still there and can be brought back by thinking related thoughts and thus exposed as problems again.

So we need to go back into the system and deal with all these problems. we also need to design a life that is really high in positive emotions and as low as possible in negative emotions. By turning our will and lives over to a higher power or by following our hearts we will issue the correct path for us, not what our parent say, not what the universities say, not what society is always saying is the correct way.. but instead we will do what is right in our eye's or a higher powers eyes and that means we will be doing the next right thing and avoiding guilt, shame, self loathing, etc, and promoting pride, self respect, peace, etc. when we follow the path that is correct for us we avoid resentments, anger, hopelessness, frustration.. and promote satisfaction, happiness, peace, a good sense of accomplishment.. etc.

So back to all the emotions we never dealt with.. we need to go back and deal with them and this is allot of what steps

4. We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of
ourselves.
5. We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another
human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. We were entirely ready to have God remove all these
defects of character.
7. We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.


Its a big clean of the system.. and i know that counseling is amazing but it will take a long long long time and allot of money to get to all those circumvented problems so as confession is so powerful that it has been attributed to god for many years and it free and readily avialble i would seriously consider this option.

8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and
became willing to make amends to them all.
9. We made direct amends to such people wherever
possible, except when to do so would injure them
or others.

this is making thing right when yo can and dealing with those issues so the emotions will also diapers or fade and be replaced with positive ones instead..

10. We continued to take personal inventory and when we
were wrong promptly admitted it.

A big part of this is keeping or system clean in the future.

So I did this for a couple of reasons nit the least of is so your son may know a little bit about the reasons for doing that crazily worded list and some of the benefits he will revive.

I f the whole god thing is a big deal breaker here is an alternate set of steps.. >Alternate version of the twelve steps<

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>SMART Recovery (Support Group information and discussion)<

Varied Approaches to Addiction Recovery

>why we dont get better right away<



Hope this helps=D
 
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Have you read about rational recovery/smart recovery. Its different, its not a powerless thing but an empowering type of thing that is based on morality, choices, and like i said empowering yourself.
 
Thanks neversickanymore and Dr Pepper for links and info. I suppose there's no easy way out of this and time will help. I will say the positive about going to meetings, is that it's the only place I know where to find non users. I surrounded myself with addicts for so long that it became the the norm. It's also a bit accepted or maybe even expected in my profession.
Again thanks for info and I'd like to check out Smart Recovery.
 
I could kick myself. Took opiates again last night to feel normal and comfortable in my own skin at a social event. Sets me back to f-ing zero. Don't feel terrible this morning. I didn't self destruct. But what really kills me is when people compliment my demeanor when I'm high. Things like "you're so laid back" or " I wish I could be that way without a drink in my hand" little do they know. Mainly I'm just ridden with guilt. After ruining the longest clean time I've had in years. On the other hand not to glamorize my actions but I really was so much more social, enthusiastic, and "laid back". I think most people like me better when I'm high. I know I do. Well they also have never seen me kicking or searching through $20,000 worth of empty bags harvesting crumbs as if it were a victory. I am disappointed in myself but I suppose I can just excuse it because " I'm powerless, diseased, and flawed". You know, I cried my eyes out when my friend od'ed but I envy her. I can't ever imagine feeling normal without H or some opiate flooding my brain with endorphins.
 
the absurd thing is,with time,you will feel like yourself again.
your new,improved self who fucking knows better.
it took me forever to feel better after quitting heroin.
and that's with subs.
I had two miserable years,but then,recently,I'm returning to the self I once had.
but it's evolved,you know.
it's different.
all I can say is that patience will be your key here.
when every minute is suffering even a day seems impossible.
but IME it gets better and eventually you'll be ok with it all.
good luck.
 
Don't beat your self up this is hard.. learn from what happened and keep moving forward.. everythime you use dust stop right away and identify what you did thaat caused this.. everytime dust yourself off and move forward. <3

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
Thomas A. Edison
 
Does anyone here relate?
I can relate and there's actually a passage in the basic text that i feel kind of exemplifies this-

who is an addict? said:
we forgot what it was like before we started using; we forgot about social graces. we acquired strange habits and mannerisms. we forgot how to work; we forgot how to play; we forgot how to express ourselves and how to show concern for others. we forgot how to feel.
personally, i had a lot of lust for life growing up but never was able to 'get lucky', so to speak. i lost and 'forgot' about a lot of what i consider lust for life and replaced it with a false sense of self, normalcy, and reality. i thought that going out and getting shit wasted and combining dangerous chemicals were what life were all about and proceeded to follow that lifestyle, endangering myself and my safety more and more as time progressed.


Has anyone experienced their lust for life returning?
flash forward to today, i actually can say that not only has my lust for life returned, but my love of life as well. i literally just today had an amazing moment of feeling normal, myself, and sane. it was kind of like one of those amazing spiritual moments where you're like, 'holy shit, i'm okay', except bigger and more expansive and more internal. it was like my old old self (you know, the self before the using self before the clean self) caught up with my current self and just kind of integrated into what i've been struggling so hard to synthesize all these years. you see, moments like these that i experience with clean time are exactly the kinds of moments that i had been looking for all along in drugs. if you're struggling with the whole powerlessness thing and can't wrap your head around God, pray about it. if you're already in na, stay. some people think that powerlessness over a disease as ugly as addiction is ridiculous, i think that it's better to be powerless over it than to assume responsibility and throw ourselves further down into the hopelessness and despair that we wade in enough as it is.
 
I have a hard time with the higher power language. I relate to your writing, Bore. I think it would almost be less offensive if somebody just said God.

You could come to feel like yourself again. You might even feel better than that.

It takes a long time. It's a difficult process. I didn't go to rehab.

I feel like myself though. I quit using and after awhile I recognized me again.

Only I'm not quite myself. I've had experiences. I've gotten older. Drugs changed me.

Once I quit taking drugs, I had to find and implement ways to feel like myself. I'm still in the process as I have not even been sober a year yet.

You are here. You are talking about your life and what you want to happen and how you want to feel.

We are all doing exactly that. It just looks a little bit different on everybody.

much love!!
 
Thanks everyone for the rational thoughts, I needed to hear. My addiction has an odd selective memory and tends to forget the horror show that life becomes when your only job is to get high everyday. I forget the misery, pain, and lack of desire for human relationships. It's so easy to glamorize the very few good things about using my DOC which are short lived as you guys must know. It really is inspiring to hear others have found theirselves again and that if I can stay sober and alive long enough I can get it back too. May be even a little better or at least wiser as you guys have pointed out. Thanks for all the responses.
Btw-Never applied that Edison quote to addiction but it fits like a glove doesn't it?
 
Love that Edison quote. Don't look back with regret. It's done. Can't change it. Use it as fuel to drive you forward. Just concentrate on the right now. You got this shit, man. You will feel normal and happy and healthy again. It happens. When it hits you, it's sooooo good. Just hold on. The pay off is on it's way.
 
have you considered going to a doc and getting on subox/subutex? maybe vivitrol shot since you seem to no longer be physically addicted? i know i was having a very similar problem before going to a clinic and sitting w/ a doc. we both come to subox as my best bet and since then.. NOTHING BUT GREAT THINGS! I actually feel like my old self. I've used sub before but never the "right" way. I have always used at very, very small doses just to buy myself time before I'd grab dope and shoot away. now at a much higher dose of subox, and a LEGAL dose, I feel healthy, motivated, and ready to live again. everyday I wake up and I am ready to be myself, ready to work, and ready to help anyone/everyone around me. It's weird but I am truly happy.
 
Man I just went through the exact thing OP. I had to move to a new state to get away from everything but I kicked it for the most part. I would say it took me at least a month before the zest for life came back IE picked up my guitar, got back outdoors, fucked a bunch etc. I know if I had a connect here I wouldnt be able to do it though. 0 meetings, 0 doctors, 0 interventions; Though it is a mind fuck still to this day. You CAN be happy with out dope and I am living proof.
 
have you considered going to a doc and getting on subox/subutex? maybe vivitrol shot since you seem to no longer be physically addicted? i know i was having a very similar problem before going to a clinic and sitting w/ a doc. we both come to subox as my best bet and since then.. NOTHING BUT GREAT THINGS! I actually feel like my old self. I've used sub before but never the "right" way. I have always used at very, very small doses just to buy myself time before I'd grab dope and shoot away. now at a much higher dose of subox, and a LEGAL dose, I feel healthy, motivated, and ready to live again. everyday I wake up and I am ready to be myself, ready to work, and ready to help anyone/everyone around me. It's weird but I am truly happy.

Suboxone numbs out my personality and kills my cock worse than dope. It is meant to bridge the gap and not be a daily supplement. Kicking subs is hard as shit too.
 
for me,subs work as an anti depressant as well.
I have mental illness and subs play a big part in me actually functioning.
it makes me last longer in bed.
it keeps me off heroin.
the only bad thing with subs,in my experience,is the price.
it's crazy expensive.that's an issue.
 
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