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emkee_reinvented

emkee_reinvented

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When this was released was eleven day's before the Childcare letter was delivered. A day later I found out the cop was playing Judge Dredd. He seperated me and my kids for 2 mths and 13 days. Only a judge can do that! Tomorow I am seeing a lawyer. First time I actually have case she sounded very convincing.

Goal kids stay at home and I see em every other weekend. Healthiest situation was assured to me.

Making this below a minor problem. If I win, otherwise not grabbing that bottle will be lot harder. But my work is done, so I should quit right. Sure a jugde will appreciate it. But there is no evidence, its all on assumption. So keepin my big mouth shut at certain times is essential. Aside from quiting.

As of 1 and 1/2 year my usage escalated, it starded with a beer here and there.
But the 0.7 liter of 40% i am reaching daily. That was not my plan. I wake and drink.

I need to let it go. I have got some benzo to ease the transition. But keep delaying the inevintable, I need to stop. Any advise or tips? Or support.
 
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@emkee_reinvented taper down to avoid withdrawal and being ill
Try and go to a 0.35L a day then back down to beers then to weaker beers then decrease the amount of beers by 1 can/bottle every day
That's the advice I've seen being given to alcoholics at the drug meetings I've been to
Benzos will help yes but they are another evil demon if you got addicted to them its even worse than alcohol
I'd also be worried the benzos will throw your inhibitions out the window and you'd say 'fuck it' and drink more
Also try fill your mornings with something so you don't wake and drink. You need a whole new routine for best success rates
Good luck
 
The first step really is recognizing that you have a problem, so congrats on overcoming that first hurdle!

My advice to you would be to taper down on the drinking and that way you won't have to rely on the benzos quite as much. If you can lower by 50-100ml a day, that would be excellent. With that said, beer is much better in terms of a taper plan and you may want to switch to the equivalent (in units) of beer and taper that way (it's a lower percentage and you tend to drink it slower than liquor). You absolutely have to create and stick to a taper plan and follow through. You also want to be on the benzos for as short a time as possible as you don't want to trade one addiction for another.

I think completely changing your mentality regarding alcohol is necessary and I highly recommend "This Naked Mind" by Annie Grace as a great start to re-framing your relationship with this substance. Here is a free link to the .pdf of the book: https://www.docdroid.net/3wVw87h/this-naked-mind-pdf-final-annie-grace-1-pdf#page=2

A support network is enormously helpful and you may want to look into AA, SMART (non-12-step) or other recovery programs. This site is also a great resource, so well done for reaching out here. It can be really helpful to have people that have been through it as a resource. If you really cannot stop by yourself, there is no shame in going to an in/out patient rehab.

Exercise, eating healthily and finding ways to occupy the time you used to spend drinking are absolutely paramount in developing a life without alcohol. Alcohol and drugs often leave a big void in your life that you don't know how to fill. Alcohol also depletes a lot of vitamins and minerals in the body, so you may want to look at supplements in addition to eating healthily (https://www.bouldermedicalcenter.com/nutrition-recommendations-consume-alcohol/)

Finally, don't beat yourself up too much about your problem with alcohol, even the strongest and best of us can fall prey to addiction. Also, should you relapse, you need to pick yourself up and get back on that horse. Often times it can take multiple attempts to get sober.

Best of luck, I believe in you.
 
I know this is often not recommended here, but whenever I've quit alcohol r anything it's pretty well been cold turkey, but with this level of alcohol it would be best to talk to your doctor, or ER, and make your way to a detox facility. If you're somewhere that's not geographically or financially possible to do the hospital and detox parts of that plan you should at least talk to your doctor. There are meds that can help with witthdrawals and with cravings. Even antabuse as a last line makes you sick if you drink.

In lieu of all that you've got to start cutting back while you're at home as much as you reasonably can. I'd take that .7, make it a .6, .5, .4 etc because the lower your habit, the less of a bad experience you'll have when you stop.

If you can to the hospital --> detox route though I'd say go for it. Hospital will stabilize and prescribe something like valium usually (though you already have benzos) and detox can monitor you and make sure you're safe.

Most of all. the only time I was ever able to quit anything was once I was finally fed so fed up I just couldnt take it anymore. I've gone on to relapse and quit again and have these ups and downs, with everything in between many times. You feel fed up? Just absolutely sick of/from it more than the whatever the benefits are?

I get so sick of it completely, and when I'm starting to get better or I've been out of it for months even (never made years) that fuckin bug starts buzzing in my ear again and the ideal of being intoxicated completely overrides in time. Try not to forget where you are right now when youre sober. Keep your life moving forward, do things for your recovery, and dont forget. There's a lot covered in the posts before mine so I'm leaving in there.
 
Fed up that sums it up.

Thanks for the support and help much needed right now.

I allready read about tapering alcohol with alcohol. Bypassing Benzo addiction. Which I am just as close by as my drinking. Keeping a strict regime is some what worrying but I really need to stop this nonsense.

A dr. or AA is atm out of the question. If I can't stop myself I will consider that option's.

For now I just wanna stop it ASAP. Without getting a delerium.

Some Acamprosate would be nice, but no dr's atm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acamprosate
 
Tapering as of tomorrow. And indeed beer would be probably wise to use.

But overal its the ammount of Alcohol I should keep track of. Like keepin notes of the ammount and time of ingestion. Otherwise the danger of doing more then intended is the tarpit.
 
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In lieu of all that you've got to start cutting back while you're at home as much as you reasonably can. I'd take that .7, make it a .6, .5, .4 etc because the lower your habit, the less of a bad experience you'll have when you stop.

If you can to the hospital --> detox route though I'd say go for it. Hospital will stabilize and prescribe something like valium usually (though you already have benzos) and detox can monitor you and make sure you're safe.
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Some how there seem's to be a connection between body health and severity of wd's.

I think diet plays a big role to. As i never experienced wd's before. But it kinda escaleted my abuse.
 
So far so good, the tapering plan. Got some beers, a good ammount of weed and no benzo's this day.

But a caculated reduction seems very crucial. I know myself very well. I got of GHB by myself and of Kratom, so that tapering part I get.

But don't ask why Alcohol seem's to have a bit more strenght of grip. While it drugwise is crappier then the other two I mentioned.

My ADHD meds could be a significant factor as they allow me to drink without getting drunk. Maybe quitting those for a while would be wise. I have no obligation's and met a few psychiatrist's that supported the take as needed. So stopping or at least halving should pose no problem's. I am guessing the dex-Amphetamine is the main reason i can drink.

Taking 40mg max a day. But it allow's me to be intoxicated without getting drunk.
 
Alex_1991 said:
I know this is often not recommended here, but whenever I've quit alcohol r anything it's pretty well been cold turkey, but with this level of alcohol it would be best to talk to your doctor, or ER, and make your way to a detox facility. If you're somewhere that's not geographically or financially possible to do the hospital and detox parts of that plan you should at least talk to your doctor. There are meds that can help with witthdrawals and with cravings. Even antabuse as a last line makes you sick if you drink.

In lieu of all that you've got to start cutting back while you're at home as much as you reasonably can. I'd take that .7, make it a .6, .5, .4 etc because the lower your habit, the less of a bad experience you'll have when you stop.

If you can to the hospital --> detox route though I'd say go for it. Hospital will stabilize and prescribe something like valium usually (though you already have benzos) and detox can monitor you and make sure you're safe.

Most of all. the only time I was ever able to quit anything was once I was finally fed so fed up I just couldnt take it anymore. I've gone on to relapse and quit again and have these ups and downs, with everything in between many times. You feel fed up? Just absolutely sick of/from it more than the whatever the benefits are?

I get so sick of it completely, and when I'm starting to get better or I've been out of it for months even (never made years) that fuckin bug starts buzzing in my ear again and the ideal of being intoxicated completely overrides in time. Try not to forget where you are right now when youre sober. Keep your life moving forward, do things for your recovery, and dont forget. There's a lot covered in the posts before mine so I'm leaving in there.
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There is no hospital over here, but I have a feeeling dr's are not really helpful. Especially informing them about addiction's.

When in dying need ok. But no way otherwise.

The relapses are a point of concern me thinks
 
I've never really had the same problem as you, but am a seemingly irredeemable binge drinker so can sympathise with your plight. I see you've chosen to go with the alcohol taper, which I also would suggest.

I wish you the best.

You may at some point wish to examine what caused you to fall into the trap. If there was a singular event in your life, perhaps....or a series of events. Or in which situations you first started drinking to excess, if any. Maybe it was certain people.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Tapering as of tomorrow. And indeed beer would be probably wise to use.

But overal its the ammount of Alcohol I should keep track of. Like keepin notes of the ammount and time of ingestion. Otherwise the danger of doing more then intended is the tarpit.
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I just ran into this scenario myself, I was up to 750 ml of Vodka per day. My liver didn't like that, and I was miserable and wound up in the hospital. My body was itching all over (it was torture) and felt like non-stop prickly hairs, my eyes turned yellow, etc. I haven't had a drink in over a week at this point, and what I did prior to winding up in the hospital (thankfully) was switch from 750 ml of vodka to 13% red wine, 750 ml. Then 13% red wine to 8% red wine. It helped my brain think I was drinking the same amount, but wasn't. At that point I got hospitalized, but the alcohol withdrawals were almost non-existent. I still am thankful for that, it's been over a week since I've had a drink and I feel amazing.
 
700 ml of 80 proof a day is about 23 standard drinks a day. Recomedation for adult males is 14 standard drinks a week, so, (23x7) - (14) = 147. So you're just shy of 150 too many drinks a week if your aiming for moderate drinking, if anyone's interested. I used to love counting drinks and searching endlessly for country standards for moderate drinking that matched my own level of drinking (about the same as poster's) but I never could find a country that considers 150 or so drinks a week moderate drinking. Then again some poorer countries don't have published standards, so maybe technically there's an out.
 
Isn't it 16.86 drinks (1 drink = ~14 grams of ethanol) at 1.5 oz per standard drink for 750 ml of 40 percent/80 proof liquor? I know when I went to the 750 ml red wine 13 percent alcohol, about 6 drinks, that was the hardest drop point
 
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Yes that's right, I was using 30ml shot I think. I've done both ways iirc.

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Of the two methods for counting drinks mentioned above, for me the best one, indeed the only effective one (I swear by it actually), for withdrawing from alcohol, is the ativan drip.

In order to use this method, which I have personally tested (remember I swear by it), count your ethanol consumption by either, or both methods at once (sometimes confusing the two is okay, don't worry about it if that happens, its normal), while observing for any signs of kindling. Once you observe what may be kindling (or may not be really, sometimes its hard to tell), know that you are on the right track. Keep counting drinks and watch that kindling! Once you get you firmly establish that yes indeed, you are kindling, (yikes! this is starting to get concerning), you're ready to jump off. Get someone close to drive you, or if none are available at the moment, call a driver to drive you, to the emergency room (You're in luck, there may not even be a wait for you!). Then let some kind soul place an ativan drip in your arm.

cont.

Once you finish your ativan drip and your blood pressure drops from 250 (remember your doctor wants you under 130), you can receive your 10 day ativan prescription. If you run out of your ativan early ask for a refill, but plan ahead, as they may cut you off if you keep asking for more ativan. Politely decline the handout with street directions to the rehab center. You can tell them "Thank you, I know where it is."

Seriously though stop drinking!😉
 
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Ativan drip, you must be dreaming. Or I am as that aint gonna happen. DIY is the only option I have forget medical support. I am Dutch!

Going to my volunteer job in about 3 hours. Luckily those Corona mask's will hide some of the resuming fumes of Ethanol. At least I hope. Then I'll see how to proceed.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
As of 1 and 1/2 year my usage escalated, it starded with a beer here and there.
But the 0.7 liter of 40% i am reaching daily. That was not my plan. I wake and drink.

I need to let it go. I have got some benzo to ease the transition. But keep delaying the inevintable, I need to stop. Any advise or tips? Or support.
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You might not be in as dangerous situation as you may think mate. From the research I've done it can take 10+ years to attain a full physical dependence with booze. That's not to say you shouldn't be careful and you should definitely try to taper as BK38 said above, but in my experience that can be done relatively quickly.

I didn't drink much at all until my mid 40s - when I stopped IVing smack and discovered vodka. Tolerance slowly rose for a couple of years until I lost my job due to a phenazepam bender. I was out of work for two years and was hitting the vodka hard - down to the shop first thing in the morning and drinking all day, up to 1L every day. One morning I woke up feeling so fucking shit that I couldn't even face a drink. As I started feeling better later on I decided to see how long I could abstain for. I went for seven days with nothing more than a little anxiety and sweating for the first three days. Unfortunately my addictive personality took over and I got back on the booze. I still have vodka benders but having a full time job again has curbed it a lot. Although I normally still drink alcohol nearly every night I have had several periods of abstinence for a week with no ill effects.

The point of this story is that you may not be as dependent as you think you are...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
The point of this story is that you may not be as dependent as you think you are...
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The fear is greater then the risk, I do agree. A recent thread also mentioned severe WD's were mostly seen in individual's with vitamin and mineral deficiences. Magnesium playing a role if I recall, all the previous times i did quick taper's and had no WD's

But I halved at least today. A shitty day but hey, it was not caused by the lesser ammount of Alcohol. I quit my volunteer job after an incident.

Got my furry GF, a Siberian Bushcat . My mom and Granny thhat care a lot about me. Time to find a new direction to avoid becoming a hermit making art.

I do consider to taper, another day or so and then switch to a nighttime dose of a Benzo at night. As needed. Thanks for the assuring response.
 
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. From the research I've done it can take 10+ years to attain a full physical dependence with booze.
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This is interesting. I had been drinking for roughly 2 years and honestly stopping drinking was way more easier than I thought, in terms of withdrawals, I was expecting torture from what I've heard but it was nothing even close to heroin/fentanyl withdrawals. I literally had them threaten to call the police on me when they wanted to admit me to the hospital because I was terrified of withdrawaling from alcohol, luckily, for no reason.
 
FUBAR that sounds about right to me as to taking 10 years or so to develop serious alcohol dependance, I was somewhere around 11 years when I went through withdrawal. I had been clean and sober over 12 years before that relapse but I met a woman who got me drunk so she could get pregnant with my kids. Its okay though, its seems to be working out so far.
 
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