Opioids Need opinion on best bang 4 buck with norcos.

[en10se]

So I just got back into using hydrocodone recreationaly, I got a script of the norco 10/325 8 days ago from a boxers fracture. I had also been using norcos from a recent cosmetic surgery 5 weeks ago. My new hand doctor had cut my norco dose from the 10s to the 5s so I decided to use other OTC meds to try and boost the positive effects from opiates. The combo I used tonight had be pretty disappointed and I am not trying to repeat it. My normal dose of hydrocodone was 20mgHydro/650MG APAP, and I would wait 4-6 hours before re-dosing( Doing anywhere from around 60mg-80mg Hydro per day. ).

Since they cut my dose from 10 to 5 per pill, I planned on using 10mg/650mg with some potentiators (I know i am not using that word right probably). I also don't have many only 30 quantity, and the pain in my hand is minimal so the pills are only being used for recreational purposes.

Heres what I took this evening with disappointed results; [It caused acid reflux, and increased my bp/hr more then I'd like] Also I'd add the euphoria was not up too par.

[EMPTY STOMACH NO FOOD 3-4 HOurs]
0:00 500ML Ruby gfj [30% Juice from concentrate] Which was the best they had at the store.
0:00 50mg DPH [1 UNISOM GELCAP]
0:00 220MG NAPROXEN [1 ALEVE TABLET]
0:00 2g calcium carbonate [2 TUMS]
1:00 CHEWED 10MG Hydrocodone/650 APAP [2 norcos]
1:00 500ml TONIC WATER w/quinine
2:00 Smoked cigs
2:30 Ate carls JR Burger and Fries
3:00 Took 2G calcium carbonate [2Tums]
5:00 oddly enough , 4 hours after using the 2 norcos, the only euphoria started here. mabey the enZymes stalled stuff or mabey the potentiators dirtyed my high so much that sobering up was euphoric itsself...

What would you recommend I do to basically increase the euphoria from hydrocodone but decrease the side effects I stated above. I don't want to CWE because I only have a small amount of hydros, and also wouldn't know how to dose correctly if I did CWE a large amount(But if i did cwe how wud I divide that into seperate doses, so I can not lose much yeild by cwe'ing more then once/twice) If I wanted to take 20mg [my regular dose] I would have to consume 325mg APAP x4 Which I would prefer not too also. All those things I used are just being used to try and increase hydrocodone analgesic / euphoria effects. I have GERD already and the combo I used today definitely upset my acid reflux which ruins any high I would get anyway [ I have mostly silent reflux and It causes trouble breathing If my esophagus gets acid in it ]

TY IN ADVANCE ALL. MUCH APPRECIATED.

edit:also wud like to add that I prefer not 2 use the drug tagament because it is known to cause gynecomastia and I cant risk that. [ just had gynecomastia removal surgery]

 

[needhelp101]

I would throw in that GFJ and cigs put a tole on acid reflux. Also ik forsure aleve increases bp because it is a nsaid. Yu may want to take less dph , cuz 50mg may be dirtyin yur high. If i was you I'd cut back on the dph to 25mg and mabey just remove aleve altogether <Naproxen only slightly increases norcos effects anywayZ>. Definitly see what others add because I only use opiates occasionaly so idk.
but Also I doubt that 1.3grAms of apap is that bad if u use short term; so u cud just take 4 (5/325's); but dnt quote me on dat...

 

[Aidens]

Personally, since you say you're looking for only recreation(assuming you wouldn't care if the duration is a little less) I would do a CWE or even two if the first wasn't good enough, then rail the product obtained. Not sure if you fly like that but opiate "rushes"(quotations because they're nowhere near injecting substances) for me through insufflating are great.

I emphasize that a CWE is quite necessary because I know people that have retardedly crushed entire vicodins with all the APAP in them and snorted them that way, which is way too much acetaminophen to be put into your nasal cavity. My one friend can't really even smell things anymore since he did it so much.

 

[en10se]

if i was to intranasaly use the hydro my only 2 questions wud be, how do you dose any amount of norco after cwe was done (assuming yu cwe more then yu expect to use at one time) also 2nd question how wud i change the cwe hydro liquid into powdered form (oven/microwave) or wud i snort the liquid . also isnt oral Ba of Hydro higher then intranasal?

 

[Dawglaw]

Cwe and then plug the liquid.

 

[en10se]

Lets say I am going to just take the cwe'd norco oraly. wud best bet be Cwe 16 pills (4 doses) And then how would I divide those doses. Like if you have x amount of ML, would measuring the X Ml in 4 be the same amount in each ML? does the hydro evenly distribute throughout the liquid. Also if i got the liquid back into powder (Idk how to do that) then would that be easier to measure the dose in 4?

 

[wezface]

Mix it around a bit and it will be evenly distributed, yes. You can get the liquid back into powder by boiling it down, then using a plate to get the last of moisture out (plate with goop on it on the stove) but honestly, I really think the BA of hydro is just as good orally as with insufflation so I would just stick with drinking the liquid.

 

[wezface]

Honestly, though, that much APAP isn't really too bad for you short term. They say anything over 4,000mg/day is bad, and that is on the longer term. You really should be able to just eat them. If you don't want to, do the CWE then drink the liquid.

 

[en10se]

last question 28 norco 5s left and i prefer ~20mg no apap, so is this sound good?
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crush 16 norco (80mg)
add to warm water
wait
cool that in freezer w/o freezing it
put thru pre damped coffee filter
wait for the extraction
put that solution thru another pre damped coffe filter
then seperate into 4 doses (20mg each)?
How much water would be minimal for double filtering 80mg hydro 5.2k apap (16norcos)

 

[wezface]

Use cold water from the start
Use at least 1/2 cup of water if you're wanting to break this into quarters
Use two coffee filters per filter

 

[en10se]

ok i cwed 12 (60mg) and split the final
product into 1/3rd (~35ml) will post results when the dose kicks in.

 

[en10se]

i think i made my saftey curve too high. If 1/3rd (20mg~) of the 110ml~ only produced very mild effects. Would it be safe to say drinking the other 2/3rd (40mg~) solution tomrow morning would provide a decent high?

 

[en10se]

also i read u lose 30% yield, i did the cwe pretty damn well imo do u think i lost 30% so 60mg wud be like 42mg? also if the norco 5/325s have orange dye in them so the final solution after 2 filters should still be orange right? (still clear). also i heard 1g apap dissolves in 100ml does that mean the max I could potentiatly get is 750mg if say the solution had 75ml

 

[Aidens]

also i read u lose 30% yield, i did the cwe pretty damn well imo do u think i lost 30% so 60mg wud be like 42mg? also if the norco 5/325s have orange dye in them so the final solution after 2 filters should still be orange right? (still clear). also i heard 1g apap dissolves in 100ml does that mean the max I could potentiatly get is 750mg if say the solution had 75ml

To be honest I would not have done them all at once, it is impossible to accurately measure doses. You never know how much APAP is left in the solution. Don't boil down the solution either, warm it if you want and use a hair dryer but don't boil it that's no good

 

[en10se]

i put the 75ml in oven on 170degreese
for 10min-30min will that evap some of the liquid w/o killing any hydro? also where does the tylenol when yu evap the liquid? im sure i shud re Colden and then re filter after i evap some of the liquid

 

[en10se]

ok last message: I ended up evapin a little of it and went from 75 to 50ml. then cooled it and put thru a cwe. no sludge left behind and i drank the 50ml. I wud assume its safe if only .5g / 50ml of apap can be present at 22degrees then i shud be safe.

 

[en10se]

ok thnks for al input it was my first norco cwe. and it was suceesful w/ no acid reflux or bp/hr increase. the 50mg solution had a perfect dose for me. feeling clean euphoria. ty all , u can close this thread.