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thizzlemonster86

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So i have come to the conclusion that once you have got a physical addiction to opiates and you dont take it for a long time before the MDMA jus doesnt work. So your basically withdrawing while the MDMA should be hitting you, but theres something going on there.

Not entirely sure why but if you try and roll while withdrawing on opiates at all it will fuck with your roll. Jus wanted to see if any on BL want to back this up. I found a couple different forums discussing this same thing. Basically every one of them that was addicted to opiates and some that had even the slightest addiction had to be not really fucked like nodding out but jus ok.

The trick is to find the safest possible ratio of Methadone/MDMA in my case. Not sure what to go by as far as a dose goes. I still need to figure that out still. But im thinking something like 10mg methadone a couple hours before my MDMA.

Also a couple people on the other forums said jus take enough opiate to not feel shitty then once you feel good(2 hours maybe?) then you take the MDMA. I actually think this can be somewhat safe if cautious of dangerous combo and as long as the opiate dose is very low. Like as low as you can without feeling like shit.

This actually makes a lot of sense now. The last few times i tried to roll it didnt work out to well lol. I know i had good pills. One time was a red deffy and the other a yellow tri-force(Zelda) and another time on "molly" that WAS untested but i was the only person with this problem every one of these times. I actually enjoyed the red defs a month or so before the dud(me not the pill). For the longest time i have been all worked up and anxious and just all aroun FREAKIN OUT about this.

I mean this has been going on in my head for months and i jus couldnt figure out why a decent dosed pill only had light stim effects on me 3 times in a row. But ALL times i had been starting to get VERY addicted to pain killers(Oxy,Fent,or whatever the fuck i could get my grimmy little hands on lol shit i would do H if thats all there was an im feelin real bad....fuck it). Also not only addicted heavly at this point but starting to get bad withdraws without it. Basically my POINT IS, Every one of those times i tried to roll i was also going through withdrawls. I think that can and probably will fuck everything up. Lots of other people that swear that this is happening.

Im going to post my experiences of this and update after i test it out. Not entirly sure if it will work because i will only have 10mg to take before the roll and that is not very much lol. Also i would appreciate everyones input on this. I really wanna know what others think of this.
 
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I agree, I've been on opiates/oids for a good deal of time now, and last time I rolled in withdrawl, it really sucked. The MDMA did make me feel a lot better, but it wasn't a fantastic roll, and yes I had good pills. A dose of a nice opiate at the end of your roll can be pretty amazing, just to mention, in my experience.
 
^^^^Yeah, a good opiate dose is very nice to have for AFTER The After Glow. I like to enjoy the after glow for an hour or two before i take the opiate cause at that point in the roll a good opiate dose will almost kill the rest of the roll.

Next time you should try my method. I bet you will have a good one man. Its not a definite thing, but i really think thats what going on there. This may not be the case for everyone that is addicted to opiates but it sure seems like a majority of them all have this in common. Have to take an opiate before the MDMA or it will jus suck and be a waste if you take it going though withdraws. Like I said earlier, one person had less severe addiction to opies and still ruin his roll. It seems like the withdraws are the culprit. Its like somehow the withdraws can cause some kind of chemical reaction so when you take the MDMA your brain doesnt process it the way it does for most people that are NOT addicted to opies. Its like we need that extra chemical for our brains/body to process the MDMA properly.

Very weird....
 
Morphling said:
I agree, I've been on opiates/oids for a good deal of time now, and last time I rolled in withdrawl, it really sucked. The MDMA did make me feel a lot better, but it wasn't a fantastic roll, and yes I had good pills. A dose of a nice opiate at the end of your roll can be pretty amazing, just to mention, in my experience.
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also im curious man, have you EVER taken any kind of opiate within a few hours of taking MDMA?
 
thizzlemonster86 said:
also im curious man, have you EVER taken any kind of opiate within a few hours of taking MDMA?
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i can chime in here. i have been on opiates for about seven years now. the first four being oxycontin and heroin, then i got on suboxone and have been on a maintenance program since.

rolling in withdrawl, if you arent TOO addicted isnt all that bad, but once you start coming down you will NOT be in good shape. if you are a daily user its probably not worth doing unless you have something to get you back to normal, just my experience. im not particularly a fan of being high on opiates and taking ecstasy. unless you are on suboxone or methadone, you should take your opiate at the dose that makes you feel "normal" and nothing more--an opiate high clouds the ecstasy experience and dulls some of the "magic" IME. however, once you start coming down opiates can work pretty well as "landing gear", but keep in mind the opiated not-giving-a-fuck feeling will most likely overshadow the sparkly MDxx afterglow. nowadays, i take a tiny bit less suboxone than normal to make myself even more susceptible to the roll, i just make sure have a benzo or some K and weed to come down with!

as always, be very careful when combining drugs, especially drugs that make your body go in opposite directions. know your limits and keep in mind YMMV.
 
thizzlemonster86 said:
also im curious man, have you EVER taken any kind of opiate within a few hours of taking MDMA?
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Ahh, yes, I have. I can definitely say that my better rolls were when I was a LOT less addicted addicted to opiates. I distinctly remember taking 3 15 mg IR oxys a few hours before one roll, which was ok, and one 60mg ER morphine another time. I think, subjectively, the ER morphine interfered less with the roll, and the ER mechanism is probably good when you're opiate dependent. The first time I ever mixed opiates and E, I had to have been maybe 18, and a friend of mine was trying to sell some IR morphine at a rave, and couldn't, so she just gave em to me. I necked em, thinking what the hell, and had a great time. Said 'great time' was greatly enhanced by the really super hot and awesome guy that I was dating at the time making out with me whilst I was in my E/morphine induced cuddle-puddle on the floor, but my friends did keep coming by and asking me if I was ok, and I sure as hell was!

Course, that was probably the first time I had ever taken an opiate stronger than hydrocodone in a low dose, and I wasn't dependent on anything at the time. I will speculate that a few bumps of K might pull you out of w/d's enough to enjoy a roll more, if you did em before dropping the E. Base speculation, as I wasn't able to get any K when I wanted to try this last.

I do know one poster that says a nice big shot o H at the end of his roll brings the roll back, but I can't back that up, as I haven't done it. When I was deep into my IV heroin habit, I wasn't much interested in thizzing. Will report back next time I do, and see how I respond to big shot of hydromorphone at the the end of my roll =D
 
Morphling said:
Ahh, yes, I have. I can definitely say that my better rolls were when I was a LOT less addicted addicted to opiates. I distinctly remember taking 3 15 mg IR oxys a few hours before one roll, which was ok, and one 60mg ER morphine another time. I think, subjectively, the ER morphine interfered less with the roll, and the ER mechanism is probably good when you're opiate dependent. The first time I ever mixed opiates and E, I had to have been maybe 18, and a friend of mine was trying to sell some IR morphine at a rave, and couldn't, so she just gave em to me. I necked em, thinking what the hell, and had a great time. Said 'great time' was greatly enhanced by the really super hot and awesome guy that I was dating at the time making out with me whilst I was in my E/morphine induced cuddle-puddle on the floor, but my friends did keep coming by and asking me if I was ok, and I sure as hell was!

Course, that was probably the first time I had ever taken an opiate stronger than hydrocodone in a low dose, and I wasn't dependent on anything at the time. I will speculate that a few bumps of K might pull you out of w/d's enough to enjoy a roll more, if you did em before dropping the E. Base speculation, as I wasn't able to get any K when I wanted to try this last.

I do know one poster that says a nice big shot o H at the end of his roll brings the roll back, but I can't back that up, as I haven't done it. When I was deep into my IV heroin habit, I wasn't much interested in thizzing. Will report back next time I do, and see how I respond to big shot of hydromorphone at the the end of my roll =D
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Yes it seems that way for me too. Its like as soon as i got full blown addicted i started having these issues with the MDMA. Its as if the addiction itself has altered my chemistry in a way that effects certain things. It kinda makes sense though. This nasty addiction will physically affect you in ways that no drug does.
 
I'm not an opiate user but I may be able to offer an explanation.
When you activate opioid receptors in the brain, they in turn activate a whole cascade of other receptors - GABA, serotonin and dopamine all work together to create the 'high'.
So there are two reasons you may not be getting high with MDMA.
You just have a higher tolerance to MDMA due to the dopamine and serotonin receptors being over-used on a regular basis, try taking a little more without opiates and see how it goes.
The other reason is you may have depleted your store of serotonin - and dopamine especially - from opiate use.
 
Your right but in a few senses. As an opiate addict I can't enjoy ANYthing even remotely stimulating, as it will always cause overstimulation and make me crave and take more opioids. However this is the opposite of what you said, I wouldn't take MDMA withdrawaling because you're so overly sensitize, it just makes you feel terrible.

On a side note, when it comes to cocaine and opioid addiction, for me it's worse. As soon as the coke enters my system it almost instantly antagonizes my methadone and I hate it, and 30 mins - an hour later once it starts wearing off I actually feel much better. Very strange.
 
Super_Sonic said:
I'm not an opiate user but I may be able to offer an explanation.
When you activate opioid receptors in the brain, they in turn activate a whole cascade of other receptors - GABA, serotonin and dopamine all work together to create the 'high'.
So there are two reasons you may not be getting high with MDMA.
You just have a higher tolerance to MDMA due to the dopamine and serotonin receptors being over-used on a regular basis, try taking a little more without opiates and see how it goes.
The other reason is you may have depleted your store of serotonin - and dopamine especially - from opiate use.
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Interesting theory, and im sure alot of you said is happening. Both my serotonin and dopamine system have been taking a beating tha last few years. BUT, I didnt take the opiates the last couple times i took MDMA and i was going through withdraws both times and i believe that might have affected my roll. That is the whole point of me taking a small amount of opiate before my roll this time so im not in withdraws an feeling like dog shit. But i do appreciate the input, thank you.
 
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