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Need Help With Norco 10/325 Generic Abuse; I Humbly Seek Any Guidance

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Hello fellow Bluelighters! I've been abusing Norco 10/325 generics for about 3 years. This is due to the many stress-causing scenarios that goes with life (job, personal relationships, unlucky draws in society, etc.). While I am cautiously weary on the implications of the potential 4,000 mg APAP per day damage to my liver (I set a rule to take a max of 10-11 pills in a 24 hour window), I really really really want to stop it altogether. I've tried going cold turkey a few times and it absolutely destroyed my lifestyle. My appetite was gone, I get depressed, I channel pronounced depravity of self-worth and self-esteem, had suicidal tendencies, and am unmotivated to do the things I used to love doing...resulting in a shell of my former self. It just sucks! I believe this to be my brain being hi-jacked and that there is a chemical imbalance going on. But I am fighting hard. To give you guys a rough background, I used to pop 8 pills daily. It wouldn't give me the good feeling I once had during my early usage days. I've since weaned off to half that (4 pills a day). Is this the right path to bring myself back to normalcy? My next goal being 2 a day for a week. And then 1...then stopping it eventually. Now the question I have for you seasoned veterans is this: Is 4 per day a vast improvement? I want to feel like I accomplished something and use the natural satisfaction to help me battle this beast. Bluelight is an awesome community with people who care and are willing to give pointers to folks in need and I respect everyone's input here, especially the good, kind souls who also walked down this path and survived. I really want to beat this and am desperate as I know the longer I abuse this narcotic, the more likely it will affect my health, both mental and physical. Any advice would be a Godsend so thank you guys in advance!
 
Any decrease is good. I think your plan is a good one. I quit a 300-400mg/day oxycodone habit cold turkey about a year ago and boy do I wish I tapered. But you seem committed to quitting and that is the most important thing. You can do it. I do still struggle with lack of excitement while off the opiates but it is vastly better. Try to find things you enjoy that dont involve drugs. Good luck. Again, you can do it if you want to.
 
The plan you havw in mind sounds good and will ease the wd's. Good luck an keep us posted.
 
@Porno :You sound like a well spoken,well educated person and it's true that any reduction in usage is a step towards victory.If your screw up don't feel discouraged,relapse is part of recovery.It happens.From my own experience with a very long battle with heroin I can say that Suboxone was a miracle for me.But remember,no treatment in the world is gonna work unless you're truly ready to quit,which it sounds like you are.Aside from a suboxone or methadone detox,your plan of a slow taper is probably the best way.Good luck,it's a difficult process and a hard road to travel.Opiates start out great and wind up being a bitch from hell.
 
You have to treat the problem. The problem here is that you're taking opioids to run away from problems. This cannot be your mindset. Drugs are an additional problem and a very short term relief. Therefore you must come to terms that drugs are for FUN. Hence drugs are considered "recreational". Treatment to the main problem will simply consist of adding natural highs to your life. Better your personal relationships and strive for excellence in your area of work. Only with this positive mindset would you be able to overcome the stresses and depression. I know this is easier said than done as I struggle with maintaining a positive mindset as well but I've never used drugs to run away. Maybe just weed and booze for a days stress but I still consider it recreation as I don't expect to smoke and drink away any life problems.

In terms of your addiction the first step is to WANT to stop and I see you've accomplished that. Your doses aren't too bad and a simple weaning off is all you need to do. Opioids are the road to heroin and it's a very rocky road. Full of confusion and depression and the "recreation" is removed from the drug and it becomes a "lifestyle". This cannot happen with any drug ever and you must always remember that.

I have done norco but I have it easier because I don't live in America so I have 0 access. But I can see how amazing it is. Your mind as I said just has to know that drugs are not an escape. Simple(not really).

Good luck and fly safe
 
I pretty much agree with what PM said, too. I always did drugs just because they were fun, and really for no other reason than that, with the possible exception of my brief bout of pretty hard drinkin' when I was in a particularly bad depressive spell in order to help prevent thoughts about my predicaments. I never really used to like it when people in the medical/law community or other random folks would assume that because I used drugs, that must mean that something was bad in my life, and I was coping with drugs...I was always like, no, my life is pretty fine and normal, it's just that drugs makes it EVEN MORE FUN. The "self-medicating" use of recreational drugs is kind of a dangerous road to go down, I think. I think when you do that it's easier to slip into addiction than otherwise, although we all know that the "just having a wee bit o' fun every now and then" justification also can lead to addiction and problems.
 
Thanks for the words of support and encouragement, bro. They mean a lot to me even though we haven't met face to face. I always thought I had a strong will but drugs can take you by the throat and slam you down if you look away even for a second. I am glad I did not try Heroin. I was offered it many times, along with cigarettes. Each time I turned them down, knowing full well what the consequences were. My dangerous dance with prescription narcotics began during a dark time in my life about 1 1/2 years ago and it has brought me to this point. When I first started, it was only for the occasional recreational consumption and I was confident I had it under control. But I gradually started losing grasp on the situation. I became paranoid and was full of anxiety. Being in a job where I wasn't in control certainly added fuel to my downfall. However, I am not giving up. I understand that having healthy distractions are the key here to getting out of this hell. Getting educated on how this beast works chemically was vital to me lasting this long. Since I am not allowed to perform CWE (my loved ones have put me on a strict watch), I really had to give myself a hard limit on the amount I take daily because I really really love my liver. Also, being granted the opportunity to discuss it with you fellow Bluelighters here are worth a whole lot more than talking to a therapist or shrink who will just prescribe SSRIs to divert the problem into another (each time I was given Prozac, I didn't take them). In all good faith, thanks for hearing me out. I will do my best to kick it!
 
300-400mg of Oxy's per day...yikes! How did you do it??? Even though you cold turkeyed that, did you use other drugs to fill its void for that time? Or activities? I would have gone into suicide mode if my daily dosage were that high!
 
Hey downerhead and thanks for commenting. May I ask how Suboxone works? Does it set the mind at ease as well as calm the body physically? I've heard there's a high chance of getting addicted to that too, though. But if they use it at treatment centers, then it must be the lesser of two evils?
 
I just quit. I only used loperamide for diarrhea but only in normal doses. I had no access to benzos or clonidine or anything really because I purposely took myself out of my situation. It was hell for 6-7 days but fortunately all I could do is sleep which is less common during withdrawal. In many ways it was a relief as I finally came clean to my loved ones and that helped a lot. But tapering or using Suboxone is definately the way to go. My situation was fucked and I had to do what I did, but I don't recommend it. Best of luck. You will get through it.
 
i am a 600-950 per dose user, constantly cold water extracting, my liver consumes probably 4,500-8000 mg of apap daily, so far no liver failure (fingers crossed) I am tapering down to 150-300 mg doseo before i try to quit i know going cold turkey off of alomost 1,000 mgs of hydro will be hell. heres the way i see it, assuming my liver survives this, we will all eventually quit one day! and we will all be alright, our livers just have to hang in there :p good luck all. keep a positive attitiude
 
Good luck getting clean porno. I was on 300mg oxycodone plus morphine and adderall for 3 years, never went without. Started about 7 years ago with Vicodin 5mg. I never went through withdrawal cause I could always get pills and I'm a big puss, withdraw scared the hell out of me. I decided to get clean 2 weeks ago. I told my wife, family and friends. That alone was like getting the weight of the world off my chest.
i tried cold turkey for 24 hours, it sucked ass. I have read the second day is the worst, so like I said I'm a puss I went to 20mg every 3-4 hours(which by the way I felt higher than ever while taking less). I don't have the will power to taper off, cause I'm a puss, so I went to doctor and got put on suboxone.
my advice, now that I bored you with my lame ass story, and I'm far from an expert. If you decide to taper take vacation or sick day the day you quit using completely. You will have some withdraw. But don't just sit around the house. Stay busy doing anything. Eat plenty of fruits and vegetables and drink water water water and little Gatorade. I know it sounds cliche but it really does help to flush the body. Smoothies work good. Spend time outdoors or just sitting in a public place people watching.
if your a puss like me and go the suboxone route(I don't really thank this is the puss way) don't spend a lot of energy reading post on what to expect. It's different for everybody. I thought I would feel like a new man 30 minutes after I took it from all the "miracle drug" post I read. Suboxone hasn't touched my body pain but defiantly stopped the cravings and got my head out of the fog. Like I said I'm no expert and it's only been 2 weeks but I feel suboxone is a good "easy" way or step to getting clean.
Best of Luck
 
Yeah, most definitely you are on the right track. You should be really proud of yourself, even deciding to quit using opiates is an extremely difficult and sometimes terrifying thing to do, especially if, like you, you have been using to run away from problems. The fact that you are on this road right now means that you are ready to start dealing with those problems directly, and in a healthy way. When I quit smoking cigarettes, and especially when I quit drinking alcohol, I would always be really hard on myself whenever I slipped up. I don't recommend that. It's a very difficult thing, and you have to be patient with yourself. It sounds like you are though, so just keep it up.
 
Feelin-u4ia said:
i am a 600-950 per dose user, constantly cold water extracting, my liver consumes probably 4,500-8000 mg of apap daily, so far no liver failure (fingers crossed) I am tapering down to 150-300 mg doseo before i try to quit i know going cold turkey off of alomost 1,000 mgs of hydro will be hell. heres the way i see it, assuming my liver survives this, we will all eventually quit one day! and we will all be alright, our livers just have to hang in there :p good luck all. keep a positive attitiude
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You're saying that you take up to 95 pills per dose (10 * 95 = 950mg of hydrocodone)? Good lord man, how do you even get access to enough pills to support a habit like that?
 
I'm a little confused by the math here too. If Feelin-u4ia takes 950mg of hydto, that's 95 pills, simple, but per dose, not per day. Then he goes on to say he consumes 4,000-8,000mg of APAP, per DAY, but, assuming he's taking Norcos (is there a better option in terms of their hydrocodone to acetaminophen ratio?), that's about thirteen to twenty-five pills. Ninety-five Norco's would be 30,875mg of acetaminophen, and I'm damn certain that would kill you dead,quickly, but very, very painfully. Perhaps there was a typo, or perhaps it's total bullshit, but it's certainly not accurate.

*Edit: I somehow missed the bit about cold water extraction. That might actually make sense of the math. To which I have to say damn dude! If that's not bullshit, it's kind of impressive in a sort of sick way. I use heroin, so I can't judge, but I used to use oxy, and I switched to heroin long before my does got that high.
 
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@Porno: Suboxone,if done properly,will make you feel like your never heard of opiates.It takes care of mental and physical.Just dissolve under your tounge until it's all dissolved,not swallowing any saliva until its dissolved.Just do a slow wean of 8 mg for the first week,4 mg for 2nd week,1/4 mg for 2weeks. After that it shouldn't be anything a few valium and beers can't take care of.
 
downerhead: So the suboxone makes you not even crave opiates at all? What is the feeling actually like? Does it make you numb and mellow? Or gives you a high of another spectrum? I've thought about asking my doctor for it but I'm scared that it's just another poison to replace the previous addiction...at least that's what I read.
 
5Buffalo: Your story is fascinating and I give you props for laying it out in the open with your loved ones. Another Bluelighter here also mentioned using Suboxone. Is it really that effective? And how long did it take for you to totally quit everything altogether? Thanks for the love and support btw. It means a lot to me!
 
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